FC Barcelona Thread

LOL, i would also like to see playing for Everton, just like Godotelli...
Very good post by the way, Alex.
Most people who think Maradonna is the best player only know him compilation clips.
Let there be no misunderstanding, he was absolutely briljant, but Pele and Messi are on another level.
All this is very subjective, but IMO Zidane was also a better player than Maradonna.
It's strange that people always prefer players who can dribble five players. Individual goals are always higher rated than for example the goal Wilshere scored this season after a unbelievable collective move from Arsenal...god, i don't even like Wilshere, but that must have been one of the five best goals i've ever witnessed.

It's good that you talk about Beckenbauer...why compare Maradonna, Messi and Pele with the likes of Beckenbauer, Scirea, Baresi and other fantastic defenders like Matthaus ? Comparing an attacker with a defender is extremely unfair...maybe the best football player ever was a defender... It shows how useless it is to give individual trophies in a team sport like football.

Oh and to end where it all begun (CR Ronaldo), i think he is a better player than Maradonna too...the fact that he didn't won a WC is irrelevant.

Just like drekkard said: there are countless fantastic players who never played in a WC: Giggs, Sigurvinsson, Bale, ...
 
Everton are the wrong shade ;)

I think you can compare attackers with defenders.

What's difficult is comparing players from different eras. Leagues make a big difference as well, that's why World Cups can be a good barometer. Maradona played in Serie A, a league with a higher standard of defending than modern day La Liga, imv. Maradona had the highest top level of any player I've ever seen. Messi I think will go down as the greatest of all time because I think he will tear up a WC, starting in Brazil.
 
But the question is, did you really see Maradonna ?
Where you able to watch him week in week out ? If you were, you would know that he played average seasons...he didn't have the consistency Messi or even CR Ronaldo has...

I don't agree with what you say about World Cups. Oleg Salenko used to be top scorer in a World Cup. Ever heard of him after that.

A World Cup is about 7 (or maybe even 4) matches. The team that has best form wins it...it is kind of random...so imo that doesn't tell us much. Of course it is not because i think this about World Cup that i disregard what Maradonna did in 1986...he is one of the al-time greats. There is no doubt about that.

So you say you can compare attackers and defenders ?

Ok, who is the best player (and why):

Marco Van Basten or Baresi.
Michel Platini or Gaetano Scirea
Vincent Kompany or Sergio Aguëro ?
Peter Schmeichel or Eric Cantona ?

I can't say who is the best of those pairs of players who played for the same club at the same time... I wonder what you make of it and why...
 
It get's harder to compare 2 players, regardless of positions, the closer they are in ability to each other. Clearly we'd all rather sign Messi than Carl Jenkinson.

If you look at the list of WC winners I don't think you can say it's kinda random. WCs aren't the be all and end all, and there will always be 'anomalous' players associated with them, but international football can help compare 2 players from 2 very different leagues. Serie a isn't talked about much today but as we all know it was the pinnacle of club football back then and has always been home to the strongest defenses.

I've watched plenty of Maradona, I didn't watch him week in week out but then I don't watch Messi week in week out either. Besides, I only said that Maradona had the highest peak than anyone else I've seen.
 
Its really strange, its like a political crime. Most senates and such get investigated they leave their seat(position). Only to find out they were not guilty. It seem Rosewell is responsible because he is the president. I only said banning from Uefa, it seems once blood is in the water everyone tries to take a bite.

Here in Estados Unidos its everywhere mainly because of the salary cap issues. Its a perfect story for a sports industry stand point. I`m looking forward to your input. Oh, did Barca really offer Song to MUTD? and Why was Wenger watching Barca n Levante for?
 
Terrible display again by a team that seems to be in free fall this month. If you don't run, if you don't fight, if you have 0 attitude, you loose.

If Manchester City play their cards well they can destroy what's left of a team that was great time ago, but has spent the last 2 seasons dragging themselves through the grass.

There's no future in this team unless they do a complete revolution this summer. They are mentally out fo the game and physically burned.
 
His wife had a miscarriage, I think he didn't play because of that.
 
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They are mentally out fo the game and physically burned.
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The signs has been there quite a while. The complete and utter beating and humiliation against Bayern should've been a wake up call. Nothing big were done though and the massive holes in defense has not been fixed. I think they will rise to the occasion though, and perform better in CL.

I must say I kinda miss the days when things were constant and Messi scored hat-trick more often than not. I'm not a Barca fan but I enjoyed watching weekly football round-up programs on TV showing some Messi magic.
 
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Terrible display again by a team that seems to be in free fall this month. If you don't run, if you don't fight, if you have 0 attitude, you loose.

If Manchester City play their cards well they can destroy what's left of a team that was great time ago, but has spent the last 2 seasons dragging themselves through the grass.

There's no future in this team unless they do a complete revolution this summer. They are mentally out fo the game and physically burned.
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Maybe they should buy a proper CB instead of splashing a ton of coin on flashy Brazilians no? Barca is Barca. They will continue to be one of best and most feared teams in Europe as long as they have Leo's name on the sheet. Game could have easily been 3-1 Barca.
 
drekkard said:
Terrible display again by a team that seems to be in free fall this month. If you don't run, if you don't fight, if you have 0 attitude, you loose.

If Manchester City play their cards well they can destroy what's left of a team that was great time ago, but has spent the last 2 seasons dragging themselves through the grass.

There's no future in this team unless they do a complete revolution this summer. They are mentally out fo the game and physically burned.
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Could not have said it any better. I can't stand watching them play anymore.

It saddens me because I could watch a game just for the entertainment factor. The intricate passing, controlling, movement and synergy is all but gone now.

yesterday was like trying to watch an ageing boxer trying to regain his title. Slow and uncoordinated.
What's more shocking is that they beat man city in this form.
 
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gerd said:
Most people who think Maradonna is the best player only know him compilation clips.
Let there be no misunderstanding, he was absolutely briljant, but Pele and Messi are on another level.
All this is very subjective, but IMO Zidane was also a better player than Maradonna.
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There you said it, in bold. Firstly, If you can't even write his name correctly then you probably shouldn't be talking about Maradona. Secondly, what made Zidane great was his presence on the field, his technique and his great passing solutions (overview, passing accuracy). Tell me which of those Maradona wasn't at least equally good at and was a better dribbler on top?

As a trequartista and attacking midfielder Maradona is unsurpassed, in which I mean that if you can't find a waterproof argument saying this or that player was better. Pele had another function on the field, so did Zidane and even Messi. If you want to do the comparison game, at least pick two players with the same position and role such as Magico Gonzales and Maradona, for example. They were equally good, more or less. Maradona was a better team player than the two and handled drugs and alcohol better and that's probably why he went further. Maradona and Pele (and a few others) were so much better than everybody else when they were active so we probably ever even saw their true potential. Messi & co are on a level above "the second best" as well but not as much as the before mentioned, not in the least.

Maradona before the leg injury was absolutely insane. He was quicker than most of us remember, but he wasn't as strong. In those times he wanted to do everything by himself and he actually did quite often. After the injury he was a bit slower but much more accomplished, stronger and he controlled matches by spreading passes and making team mates perform at an extra level. Take into account that Napoli without Maradona was a mid-table team up until 1989 and a top team with Maradona regardless of who else they put on the field.

I'm not saying Maradona is the best player ever, I'm saying he's the most influential attacking midfielder to have entered the football field. Was he the best? I don't know but nobody has been noticeably better. Many players have been more effective in front of goal and we didn't really count assists way back when and a few players has been around Maradona's level but nobody in their right mind can say anybody has been "on another level" unless that level is below. Maradona's role wasn't as spearpoint, he was a pure old fashioned playmaker with a twist. He didn't get served open goal passes all day long, he created goals out of nothing on occasion though. Opponents weren't afraid of sacrificing a player sent off to make sure Maradona was sidelined either back then, it was madness. Messi has to cope with that type of nastiness only when they face Real Madrid, Maradona got that treatment nearly every match.

I could go on forever, really, but at last I'd mention consistency. Maradona was consistently the best player in the world from 1983 to 1992, that's almost 10 years, even though he was noticeably reduced from 1990. As for the 1994 scandal, ephedrine makes you run but it can't make you a football genius. In retrospect, after reading what most players got injected and distributed in pill form back then you can't help but think that he was sacrificed to scare off a bad trend. Quite a lot of players tested positive in that WC but not many got banned. Many players also tested positive for stuff that wasn't on the doping list then but is now.
 
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Yes, you certainly could go on forever.
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Well, if you had actually known what you were talking about here rather than blasting off highly subjective personal viewpoints as facts then I wouldn't have felt compelled to do so.

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But it's quite useless...i remember Bobby's advice..
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I'd like to hear your defense of this claim though;

"Let there be no misunderstanding, he was absolutely briljant, but Pele and Messi are on another level."

How were/are they on another level?
 
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I will answer once, and i'm sorry for going off-topic.
Zero, i don't feel the need to discuss with you as discussing with you feels like trapping water.
On top of that you are unnecessary rude (i reported your last post to the mods). Does it matter if i can spell Mardonnnnnnnna 's name correctly ? No, it doesn't. Now, i'm sure you will say that it does matter and i i reply that it doesn't you will repeat this if necessary dozens of times...in short you you want to win each and every argument, no matte rhow irritating your arguments are...
To end this and all future discussions: i was wrong, will always be wrong and you were right and will always be right. I wonder if you will have the grace not to reply and just leave it like this...

All we are doing here is pub talk...if i say that Pele is better than Moradanon does that really matters ? Who am i ? Nobody...in the grand scheme of thing who cares what i think about Miridepo or Polo or Misse ? Nobody.

We discuss for the sake of discussion and because it should be fun to discuss...well, discussing with you is not fun for me and it seems i'm not the only one who has that opinion...
 
I'm not even a big fan of Maradona, I simply like to challenge people "who have figured it all out" because they can rarely back up their views and claims with anything substantial. I'm no different but I am at least very aware of the fact.

If you think that post above was rude, then I say you're oversensitive because it wasn't rude in the least. "Maradonna" is the usual English way of disrespecting him though so I figured you did it on purpose, which I am still leaning towards.

Anyway, if you like to share views then you have to be prepared to have them opposed as well. It's all a part of the whole conversation thing.

PS. Maradona was a Barca player once so technically this should be somewhat within the limits of topic.
 
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Sry for farting in.. Maradona was from my generation. Everybody had a poster of him in his Argie kit running dripping sweat w/ his golden tan. That doesn't sound right eh? It's the truth . I remember sleeping over mates and looking at his poster and thinking how someone so small can be so good! Pele was worship but we saw a older Pele . Maradona was great more for me only cause of my childhood playing in the only league in the world in Italy lol
 
I didn't mean to imply that I was anti-Maradona in any way. I admired him in a healthy way when he was active. Watching him play was usually very, very special.
 
I came to a conclusion most rate players on personal reasons and not stats related ( that comes later in making ur opinion a fact).Tbh I don't ever remember a great player from the past was ever label before he was consider a great. Today, every young player having a good run is being labeled for the future. Then, again being 10 yrs old I was limited to intellectual knowledge.
 
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