Re-arranged
Hashish?
- 3 August 2004
- Newcastle United FC
well it's quite easy to say something like that about players u don't even know. Probably Croatia is a bunch of midiocre players too.
Euro 2008, who will make it ?
- Thread starter CBG
- Start date
well it's quite easy to say something like that about players u don't even know. Probably Croatia is a bunch of midiocre players too.
gib2504
R.I.P Jarque
Does that mean that Euro 2008 will be a tournament of Mediocre players, cause obviously Romania & Poland are full of them aswell, god forbid if Scotland manage to make it.
PLF
Legend
- 2 August 2004
:lmao: :lol:
Thanks for reminding me why I so often tend to stay away from discussing football in this section of the forums. :mrgreen:
Re-arranged
Hashish?
- 3 August 2004
- Newcastle United FC
good one, Sina, hit em hard!
Parried a tame shot into the path of the Russian goalscorer.....
Gary Neville for missing a sitter:lmao:
vanzandt
The answer must be Jam
- 26 July 2007
- Everton
I tell you what happens in these situations.
Someone doesn’t listen to what is said, perhaps has a starting position where they either do not like a given country to begin with and are just waiting to tee off or they hear comments from someone who they don’t like and so they try and all get involved in a big TAG TEAM match of insults.
So lets analysis the rubbish/appalling logic and let’s see what I am being criticized for and provide answers (some of it is so chronically bad it is unreal).
This is being a silly. We ALL know that Chelsea and Man Utd have both won the league and have done so thanks not only to the foreign players but also thanks to a core of English players that have been massive factors in winning the league title.
If anyone is seriously claiming this is not the case then they have no understanding of football whatsoever and we can end the conversation right there.
Why have I made this point?
Because Nick pointed to the fact that Arsenal are top of the league and they have very few English players, he raised this point as though to point to the lack of quality English players in the English league. But this point does not stand up if one is using the English league as the basis for making this point as both the aforementioned sides that have won the league have had lots of key English players that were key.
The point made is redundant…..let’s move on to the next point.
Typical Enlgish fan..Mmm opening racist gambit (by stereotyping English fans) lovely thanks for that.
But let’s look at the actual remarks ans see if they are legitimate or not.
Blame the Ref (Yes I did that)
Blame the Manager (No I didn’t do that)
Blame the Pitch (Yes it was a factor)
Blame the Weather (No I didn’t do that)
Blame FIFA (No I didn’t do that)
Blame UEFA (Mmm nope)
Blame Cristiano Ronaldo (Mmm nope)
Blame God (Mmm nope)
So Then I have blamed one major factor (referee) and one minor factor (pitch).
So that you have made six untrue statements that have no bearing in fact whatsoever.
I blamed the referee for what I saw as a massive mistake that cost England the game.
Here is a question for all people out there.
Am I wrong in blaming the referee for giving that offence as a penalty?
Simple question am I right or wrong?
Fact is I am right and I dam well know it.
On the minor note are plastic pitches acceptable?
Why are they not allowed in the premier league, why do you never see them in the world cup finals etc?
Again I know I have a right to complain about this.
So you made six untrue statements that were completely fatuous and you made two correct statements, complaints I have that had a huge impact on the game that should NOT be disputed.
Ok so I have pissed on the argument thus far and shown that they are not legitimate at all, let’s move onto the next point.
This is what re-arranged said about Nicks statements about me.
But as I have already shown, almost all of the statements are utterly fictitious and fabricated. They are complaints about me that have no basis in fact whatsoever.
So re-arrange was also wrong as the statements were not sad but true but fabricated rubbish.
Next…..
I mad no reference whatsoever to Ronaldo.
This is hyperbole and semantic bull shit.
You have been criticizing me for things that you are saying….NOT what I have said.
I understand the reasoning Alain and to be fair to you, although I may disagree with your position, you are one of the few that is not just spouting bull shit but stating your genuine opinion so I give you credit for that.
I disagree with you point above though and the one that Nick was trying to make for this reason.
Your analogy would work if in your analogy the championship had been lost because you were in a poor position in the table and the early defeats or draws placed the team in question in a bad position.
But this is simply NOT true in this situation, the analogy is totally inappropriate because the England league position and points was NOT as bad position, which is why a win or draw would have been good results.
We factually WERE in a good position until that penalty was incorrectly given against us.
If you had a team in a championship that was winning in a game and a win or a draw made them favourite to win the league or get in the champions league etc….and a huge decision went against such a team, you would not look back and say, the goal was lost earlier in the season…..you simply would not do that if the goal was credible and attainable at the time. We are not talking about England being in a position where we were chasing Russia and hoping on other results. If this were so I would agree with you. The bottom line is, we were in the driving seat and favourites ahead of Russia until that decision- that is the KEY. So whilst I understand the reasoning in your argument I refute it and deny its legitimacy based upon the context of the situation.
By the way Alain I will not come at you for slating England- you haven’t done that.
I have show the limitations of the argument above. Saying stop maoning about the penalty is utterly laughable. Of course I am going to moan about such a terrible decision that has cost us. If you are telling me I do not have the right to do so you can shut the fuck up about any moan you ever have in terms of any decisions for the rest of your life with all the teams you support.
Fact is we both know you WILL and HAVE moaned about decisions in the past, particularly if bad and that IS legitimate….so please don’t try and take the piss mate by trying to deny English fans the right to moan and have a pop at that refereeing tonight.
Again looking at your comments. I never called the Russina players mediocre and I never boasted about the England players being great.
Erm…..like Nick before you, you have actually made this shit up, cause I never said it.
So now re-arrange takes the words I didn’t say and call me ignorant and pathetic.
I NEVER FUCKING SAID THIS!!!!!!!!
Now running away with the words I did not say….mockery is added to the equation.
Just to remind you guys again…
I NEVER FUCKING SAID THIS SHIT. It was fabricated/made up by Ferraritim.
Yawn…….It was NEVER SAID BY ANY ENGLAND FAN AND NOT BY ME EITHER.
Ferraritim created this, he made it up.
Ditto see above
As above….yawn.
I wonder how many things can be put in the mouths of England fans without any of us saying jack shit.
Maybe a load of people who have stereotypical opinions can decide to fabricate things and we have no need for any English fans to say a word?
My ONLY point was that the referee made a HUGE mistake and that mistake cost England a result. I NEVER boasted about England or English players and I NEVER slighted ANY other player from ANY other nation.
I feel my point is 100% legitimate and that a lot of stuff has been made up/fabricated and made out to how come from me. I feel that people have decided to exhibit vehement sentiments against me for things I have NEVER said.
I will leave the lot of you to continue the conversation for me.
I mean a few of you have done such a good job of making shit up and making out that I said it while the other half of you have hammered me for those very things that I did not say that…….
Well what do you need me for?
You don’t need me to have a conversation with me, you can just continue to fabricate and criticize.
P.S
At no point have I stated that England are even good, never mind better than any other team, simply that a big decision went against us, that it was a terrible decision.
But go on keep sticking the pins in the doll……my last post on this because logic is a waste of time with you people (excluding Alain- sorry Alain).
VERY strong anti English sentiment...well done.
Someone doesn’t listen to what is said, perhaps has a starting position where they either do not like a given country to begin with and are just waiting to tee off or they hear comments from someone who they don’t like and so they try and all get involved in a big TAG TEAM match of insults.
So lets analysis the rubbish/appalling logic and let’s see what I am being criticized for and provide answers (some of it is so chronically bad it is unreal).
1. Ronaldo
2. Mourinho
Sorry mate, couldn't resist, being Portuguese and all...
This is being a silly. We ALL know that Chelsea and Man Utd have both won the league and have done so thanks not only to the foreign players but also thanks to a core of English players that have been massive factors in winning the league title.
If anyone is seriously claiming this is not the case then they have no understanding of football whatsoever and we can end the conversation right there.
Why have I made this point?
Because Nick pointed to the fact that Arsenal are top of the league and they have very few English players, he raised this point as though to point to the lack of quality English players in the English league. But this point does not stand up if one is using the English league as the basis for making this point as both the aforementioned sides that have won the league have had lots of key English players that were key.
The point made is redundant…..let’s move on to the next point.
Typical Enlgish fan..Mmm opening racist gambit (by stereotyping English fans) lovely thanks for that.
But let’s look at the actual remarks ans see if they are legitimate or not.
Blame the Ref (Yes I did that)
Blame the Manager (No I didn’t do that)
Blame the Pitch (Yes it was a factor)
Blame the Weather (No I didn’t do that)
Blame FIFA (No I didn’t do that)
Blame UEFA (Mmm nope)
Blame Cristiano Ronaldo (Mmm nope)
Blame God (Mmm nope)
So Then I have blamed one major factor (referee) and one minor factor (pitch).
So that you have made six untrue statements that have no bearing in fact whatsoever.
I blamed the referee for what I saw as a massive mistake that cost England the game.
Here is a question for all people out there.
Am I wrong in blaming the referee for giving that offence as a penalty?
Simple question am I right or wrong?
Fact is I am right and I dam well know it.
On the minor note are plastic pitches acceptable?
Why are they not allowed in the premier league, why do you never see them in the world cup finals etc?
Again I know I have a right to complain about this.
So you made six untrue statements that were completely fatuous and you made two correct statements, complaints I have that had a huge impact on the game that should NOT be disputed.
Ok so I have pissed on the argument thus far and shown that they are not legitimate at all, let’s move onto the next point.
This is what re-arranged said about Nicks statements about me.
But as I have already shown, almost all of the statements are utterly fictitious and fabricated. They are complaints about me that have no basis in fact whatsoever.
So re-arrange was also wrong as the statements were not sad but true but fabricated rubbish.
Next…..
I mad no reference whatsoever to Ronaldo.
This is hyperbole and semantic bull shit.
You have been criticizing me for things that you are saying….NOT what I have said.
@vandatz, Maybe he's just trying to explain to you that the key of England situation it's not only due to the penalty not awarded today,but all the games before!!it's like a championship when during the season you get some bad refs or injuries, but at the end of the day you can't moan about a penalty not awarded or something else cos you had enough chance to be back on the track
who is to blame For England drawing against Macedonia?
and please don't come with me slating England Because any team playing against England i always (and will)support England
I understand the reasoning Alain and to be fair to you, although I may disagree with your position, you are one of the few that is not just spouting bull shit but stating your genuine opinion so I give you credit for that.
I disagree with you point above though and the one that Nick was trying to make for this reason.
Your analogy would work if in your analogy the championship had been lost because you were in a poor position in the table and the early defeats or draws placed the team in question in a bad position.
But this is simply NOT true in this situation, the analogy is totally inappropriate because the England league position and points was NOT as bad position, which is why a win or draw would have been good results.
We factually WERE in a good position until that penalty was incorrectly given against us.
If you had a team in a championship that was winning in a game and a win or a draw made them favourite to win the league or get in the champions league etc….and a huge decision went against such a team, you would not look back and say, the goal was lost earlier in the season…..you simply would not do that if the goal was credible and attainable at the time. We are not talking about England being in a position where we were chasing Russia and hoping on other results. If this were so I would agree with you. The bottom line is, we were in the driving seat and favourites ahead of Russia until that decision- that is the KEY. So whilst I understand the reasoning in your argument I refute it and deny its legitimacy based upon the context of the situation.
By the way Alain I will not come at you for slating England- you haven’t done that.
I have show the limitations of the argument above. Saying stop maoning about the penalty is utterly laughable. Of course I am going to moan about such a terrible decision that has cost us. If you are telling me I do not have the right to do so you can shut the fuck up about any moan you ever have in terms of any decisions for the rest of your life with all the teams you support.
Fact is we both know you WILL and HAVE moaned about decisions in the past, particularly if bad and that IS legitimate….so please don’t try and take the piss mate by trying to deny English fans the right to moan and have a pop at that refereeing tonight.
Again looking at your comments. I never called the Russina players mediocre and I never boasted about the England players being great.
Erm…..like Nick before you, you have actually made this shit up, cause I never said it.
So now re-arrange takes the words I didn’t say and call me ignorant and pathetic.
I NEVER FUCKING SAID THIS!!!!!!!!
Now running away with the words I did not say….mockery is added to the equation.
Just to remind you guys again…
I NEVER FUCKING SAID THIS SHIT. It was fabricated/made up by Ferraritim.
Yawn…….It was NEVER SAID BY ANY ENGLAND FAN AND NOT BY ME EITHER.
Ferraritim created this, he made it up.
Ditto see above
As above….yawn.
I wonder how many things can be put in the mouths of England fans without any of us saying jack shit.
Maybe a load of people who have stereotypical opinions can decide to fabricate things and we have no need for any English fans to say a word?
My ONLY point was that the referee made a HUGE mistake and that mistake cost England a result. I NEVER boasted about England or English players and I NEVER slighted ANY other player from ANY other nation.
I feel my point is 100% legitimate and that a lot of stuff has been made up/fabricated and made out to how come from me. I feel that people have decided to exhibit vehement sentiments against me for things I have NEVER said.
I will leave the lot of you to continue the conversation for me.
I mean a few of you have done such a good job of making shit up and making out that I said it while the other half of you have hammered me for those very things that I did not say that…….
Well what do you need me for?
You don’t need me to have a conversation with me, you can just continue to fabricate and criticize.
P.S
At no point have I stated that England are even good, never mind better than any other team, simply that a big decision went against us, that it was a terrible decision.
But go on keep sticking the pins in the doll……my last post on this because logic is a waste of time with you people (excluding Alain- sorry Alain).
VERY strong anti English sentiment...well done.
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Hashish?
- 3 August 2004
- Newcastle United FC
oh vanzandt, ur such a funny guy. I won't be having an argument with you,'cos you're most likely insane or on some serious drugs, was I ever talking to you?? Get yourself a pair of glasses and read all our(mine, gib's and PLF's) posts once again. Well in the case ur insane they won't really help, so forget about what I said.
P.S. and ffs learn to write my nickname right, it does show how arrogant u really are, not respecting someone's name even it's not real one.
P.S. and ffs learn to write my nickname right, it does show how arrogant u really are, not respecting someone's name even it's not real one.
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gib2504
R.I.P Jarque
OMG How big headed are you, mine and Re-Arranged's comments were towards Ferraritim as he is the one that called the Russian Players mediocre, what you actually called them was a poor team
"are you not aware of the fact that a shite pitch plays into the hands of poorer teams? I mean that has been a known fact for over 50 years…maybe you missed it. "
And the list above of all the things that England fans blame again wasn't meant just for yourself, but for most England fans out there, there is always something else to blame.
WC 1990 - Gazza's Tears
WC Qualification 1994 - Koeman should have been sent off before scoring a winner that put you out
Euro 1996 - Bo Hoo we can't we practice more penalties
WC 98 - David Beckham, but surely he's allowed to kick an Argetinian, referee must be bias, and Simeone must have dived
WC2002 - it's all Ronaldinho's fault for getting sent off and making us go defensive thats the only reason Brazil won
Euro 2004 - It's the dodgy pitch around the penalty spot, it made us miss our penalties even though Portugal had to hit the ball from the exact same spot as England did, didn't seem to effect them as much, even their keeper scored.
WC 2006 - cause Rooney stepped on someones nuts and got sent off leaving you with 10 men, It's all Ronaldos fault for winking thats what made the ref send him off and fail again to beat Portugal on penalties.
England fans always have an excuse, and it is never, Oh we weren't good enough throughout a whole campaign, it's always someone elses fault.
So back to tonight, yes Russia won a dodgy penalty, Pavlyuchenko still had to score it, they then had to score again, and even when they did England still had 18 mins to score an equaliser.
I see it as Karma, at Wembley the score was 1-0 and Russia scored a perfectly good goal, should have made it 1-1 then their confidence would have gotten so much higher and who knows what the final score would have been, but tonight it evened itself out, Rooney fouled a player outside the box and the ref gave the pen, and Russia went on to finish the job.
So maybe when they look back at this campaign, the 0-0 draw against Macedonia, the draw in Israel when they were truely awful will come into question rather than a case of What Goes Around Comes Around.
And Vanzandt maybe look at the thread title again, cause I'm quite sure it doesn't have your name in it, so every post isn't about you or to you.
Nick Cave
Wrexham fan for my sins...
I didn't watch the game but listened on and off on talk sport and they said Shrek was off side for our goal, was he not? So the fact the Ref made a blunder for the Pen is immaterial, or were they wrong?
vanzandt
The answer must be Jam
- 26 July 2007
- Everton
You know what screw it I will answer some of this because it is disgraceful.
Comments were directed at me or made in my direction and the line of the comments appeared to follow….hence my statements. Certainly things have been said in relation to me that I did not say.
If I have made an error in terms of thinking that all the subsequent comments were directed at me then it is just that an error.
But irrespective the nature of the comments are taking the piss anti English sentiment aren’t they really, I mean that is what you are trading in whether it was directed at me or not and frankly that stinks.
If you go back and read the order of things I think you could easily see how I could be forgiven for feeling the comments were made in my direction coming when they did, so any error on my part does not make me on drugs or insane any other such shit.
And like I say what your trading in is pretty nasty stuff in any regard.
Sorry that was typo. I am certain that you have made many of them just as have almost all members of the site. You have used something quite innocent as a reason to gratuitously tee off on. I am not arrogant and was not lacking in respect towards your name- you are lacking in respect to say what you have that much is for sure.
"are you not aware of the fact that a shite pitch plays into the hands of poorer teams? I mean that has been a known fact for over 50 years…maybe you missed it. "
Poorer in that context does not mean poor and it was not a slight on the Russian team.
The statement means not as good as, it is a comparative use of the term and to be fair I do not think many neutrals or even Guss Hiddink would claim that Russia would generally be regarded in a favorable manner to a any team with Englands history/record or players. I am not saying anything big headed or controversial here, though of course you twisted anti English bias would love to paint it that way.
Personally I do not rate England that highly at all, I don’t think they are bad but neither do I think they are any great shakes, the same goes for Russia, by way of comparison I felt as most neutrals would that England were the favored team hence the pitch reference.
Again though we both know you can’t stand England, you hate the English football team and the fans and you are one of these fans that loves nothing more to pour forth your bile on the team and by extension me as one of its fans….your loving this and we both know it. A pity then that you comments have no legitimacy at all!!!
And the list above of all the things that England fans blame again wasn't meant just for yourself, but for most England fans out there, there is always something else to blame.
Yes I see that has been said. For what it is worth I believe you, but I am also telling you that given the timing of the posts, given what was being said to me and given the fact that I was the only England fan in the thread at this time and one who was having things fabricated aleready that I did not say…..given all that;
I am telling you that it was a very easy mistake for me to make.
More importantly though looking at your prior comments and those made by others and in particular those made below;
Quote
WC 1990 - Gazza's Tears
WC Qualification 1994 - Koeman should have been sent off before scoring a winner that put you out
Euro 1996 - Bo Hoo we can't we practice more penalties
WC 98 - David Beckham, but surely he's allowed to kick an Argetinian, referee must be bias, and Simeone must have dived
WC2002 - it's all Ronaldinho's fault for getting sent off and making us go defensive thats the only reason Brazil won
Euro 2004 - It's the dodgy pitch around the penalty spot, it made us miss our penalties even though Portugal had to hit the ball from the exact same spot as England did, didn't seem to effect them as much, even their keeper scored.
WC 2006 - cause Rooney stepped on someones nuts and got sent off leaving you with 10 men, It's all Ronaldos fault for winking thats what made the ref send him off and fail again to beat Portugal on penalties.
England fans always have an excuse, and it is never, Oh we weren't good enough throughout a whole campaign, it's always someone elses fault.
So back to tonight, yes Russia won a dodgy penalty, Pavlyuchenko still had to score it, they then had to score again, and even when they did England still had 18 mins to score an equaliser.
I see it as Karma, at Wembley the score was 1-0 and Russia scored a perfectly good goal, should have made it 1-1 then their confidence would have gotten so much higher and who knows what the final score would have been, but tonight it evened itself out, Rooney fouled a player outside the box and the ref gave the pen, and Russia went on to finish the job.
So maybe when they look back at this campaign, the 0-0 draw against Macedonia, the draw in Israel when they were truely awful will come into question rather than a case of What Goes Around Comes Around.
And Vanzandt maybe look at the thread title again, cause I'm quite sure it doesn't have your name in it, so every post isn't about you or to you.[/QUOTE]
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This has ALL been hateful anti English sentiment and even if not directed at me, I feel as an England fan that I have every right to be offended by the horrible attitude that have towards English football fans.
The fact is VERY often when England play a match there are horrible illegitimate anti English sentiments that are almost always forthcoming from non English fans in your position.
What have I said that is so awful?
Do I boast about England? –
No.
Do I act in an arrogant way about the ability of my team?
No.
All I commented on way a bad decision that I saw as being key….
Are England fans not allowed to express such sentiments about bad decisions and talk about events?
Should it be acceptable to have people who lie in wait who love to espouse such vehement hatred towards the English?
Why is this acceptable?
Why should I have to hear such vile hatred and festering remarks?
Nothing I have said is unfair regarding the match, none of it is controversial.
Do I come attack other teams and nations with such hatred and bile?
Do I go into the Scotland thread and try and take the piss out of you if a result is not good?
No….in fact the only thing I have ever said is well done on decent results nothing more.
I just wanted to talk about England without having to listen to hatred and bile and be attacked and face nasty comments that are designed to piss me off.
You lot are trolls in this thread plain and simple.
You have wanted to attack the English and English fans and have your fun.
You are a bunch of vile pigs basically.
On which note I am out of this.
No Rooney was dead level and onside, whereas the penalty given was for a offence that was well outside the penalty area.....see for yourself though via highlights
Comments were directed at me or made in my direction and the line of the comments appeared to follow….hence my statements. Certainly things have been said in relation to me that I did not say.
If I have made an error in terms of thinking that all the subsequent comments were directed at me then it is just that an error.
But irrespective the nature of the comments are taking the piss anti English sentiment aren’t they really, I mean that is what you are trading in whether it was directed at me or not and frankly that stinks.
If you go back and read the order of things I think you could easily see how I could be forgiven for feeling the comments were made in my direction coming when they did, so any error on my part does not make me on drugs or insane any other such shit.
And like I say what your trading in is pretty nasty stuff in any regard.
Sorry that was typo. I am certain that you have made many of them just as have almost all members of the site. You have used something quite innocent as a reason to gratuitously tee off on. I am not arrogant and was not lacking in respect towards your name- you are lacking in respect to say what you have that much is for sure.
"are you not aware of the fact that a shite pitch plays into the hands of poorer teams? I mean that has been a known fact for over 50 years…maybe you missed it. "
Poorer in that context does not mean poor and it was not a slight on the Russian team.
The statement means not as good as, it is a comparative use of the term and to be fair I do not think many neutrals or even Guss Hiddink would claim that Russia would generally be regarded in a favorable manner to a any team with Englands history/record or players. I am not saying anything big headed or controversial here, though of course you twisted anti English bias would love to paint it that way.
Personally I do not rate England that highly at all, I don’t think they are bad but neither do I think they are any great shakes, the same goes for Russia, by way of comparison I felt as most neutrals would that England were the favored team hence the pitch reference.
Again though we both know you can’t stand England, you hate the English football team and the fans and you are one of these fans that loves nothing more to pour forth your bile on the team and by extension me as one of its fans….your loving this and we both know it. A pity then that you comments have no legitimacy at all!!!
And the list above of all the things that England fans blame again wasn't meant just for yourself, but for most England fans out there, there is always something else to blame.
Yes I see that has been said. For what it is worth I believe you, but I am also telling you that given the timing of the posts, given what was being said to me and given the fact that I was the only England fan in the thread at this time and one who was having things fabricated aleready that I did not say…..given all that;
I am telling you that it was a very easy mistake for me to make.
More importantly though looking at your prior comments and those made by others and in particular those made below;
Quote
WC 1990 - Gazza's Tears
WC Qualification 1994 - Koeman should have been sent off before scoring a winner that put you out
Euro 1996 - Bo Hoo we can't we practice more penalties
WC 98 - David Beckham, but surely he's allowed to kick an Argetinian, referee must be bias, and Simeone must have dived
WC2002 - it's all Ronaldinho's fault for getting sent off and making us go defensive thats the only reason Brazil won
Euro 2004 - It's the dodgy pitch around the penalty spot, it made us miss our penalties even though Portugal had to hit the ball from the exact same spot as England did, didn't seem to effect them as much, even their keeper scored.
WC 2006 - cause Rooney stepped on someones nuts and got sent off leaving you with 10 men, It's all Ronaldos fault for winking thats what made the ref send him off and fail again to beat Portugal on penalties.
England fans always have an excuse, and it is never, Oh we weren't good enough throughout a whole campaign, it's always someone elses fault.
So back to tonight, yes Russia won a dodgy penalty, Pavlyuchenko still had to score it, they then had to score again, and even when they did England still had 18 mins to score an equaliser.
I see it as Karma, at Wembley the score was 1-0 and Russia scored a perfectly good goal, should have made it 1-1 then their confidence would have gotten so much higher and who knows what the final score would have been, but tonight it evened itself out, Rooney fouled a player outside the box and the ref gave the pen, and Russia went on to finish the job.
So maybe when they look back at this campaign, the 0-0 draw against Macedonia, the draw in Israel when they were truely awful will come into question rather than a case of What Goes Around Comes Around.
And Vanzandt maybe look at the thread title again, cause I'm quite sure it doesn't have your name in it, so every post isn't about you or to you.[/QUOTE]
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This has ALL been hateful anti English sentiment and even if not directed at me, I feel as an England fan that I have every right to be offended by the horrible attitude that have towards English football fans.
The fact is VERY often when England play a match there are horrible illegitimate anti English sentiments that are almost always forthcoming from non English fans in your position.
What have I said that is so awful?
Do I boast about England? –
No.
Do I act in an arrogant way about the ability of my team?
No.
All I commented on way a bad decision that I saw as being key….
Are England fans not allowed to express such sentiments about bad decisions and talk about events?
Should it be acceptable to have people who lie in wait who love to espouse such vehement hatred towards the English?
Why is this acceptable?
Why should I have to hear such vile hatred and festering remarks?
Nothing I have said is unfair regarding the match, none of it is controversial.
Do I come attack other teams and nations with such hatred and bile?
Do I go into the Scotland thread and try and take the piss out of you if a result is not good?
No….in fact the only thing I have ever said is well done on decent results nothing more.
I just wanted to talk about England without having to listen to hatred and bile and be attacked and face nasty comments that are designed to piss me off.
You lot are trolls in this thread plain and simple.
You have wanted to attack the English and English fans and have your fun.
You are a bunch of vile pigs basically.
On which note I am out of this.
No Rooney was dead level and onside, whereas the penalty given was for a offence that was well outside the penalty area.....see for yourself though via highlights
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bebo
Looking for a Manager
Wussia was great 2night even though I wish England won...this will be a shock if England don`t make it through almost like in WC`94 in USA
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Hashish?
- 3 August 2004
- Newcastle United FC
vanzandt, of course there is an anti-English conspiracy in here didn't you know? We all hate England and were just waiting for a proper situation to make some laugh off you!
You're not only insane, but paranoiac too. Once again I repeat gib's words:
You acted like a typical blind fanatic of your team. All you did was moan about how ref spoiled the beautiful game for England. Did you think that your goal was a pure offside? NO, of course not! Why should you, you see only what's important to you. Or remember that goal Zyryanov scored in the first game and the ref thought it was a handball? It could've turned the game 180 degrees. But no, you don't even remember this.
Then this crap about bad field helping poor teams. Isn't it a direct attack at Russian NT? It is and you can't deny it, don't even try. You know what I didn't hear a word of complaint from Bayern, Inter, Celtic, Sporting CP, Celtic who played on this pitch this or last year, you know why? They are not pathetic moaners like you are. And, vanzandt, the reason why RFS chose Luzhniki wasn't the pitch, it is simply the biggest stadium in Moscow (90 000 capacity and it's a 5 star UEFA stadium btw) so that we can get some real huge support for this game. Sorry for ruining your conspiracy theory, but it's a fact.
Oh and the only vile pig in here is you. Farewell sucker!
P.S. this isn't England NT thread in the first place, so why did you start that moaning in here?
You're not only insane, but paranoiac too. Once again I repeat gib's words:
You acted like a typical blind fanatic of your team. All you did was moan about how ref spoiled the beautiful game for England. Did you think that your goal was a pure offside? NO, of course not! Why should you, you see only what's important to you. Or remember that goal Zyryanov scored in the first game and the ref thought it was a handball? It could've turned the game 180 degrees. But no, you don't even remember this.
Then this crap about bad field helping poor teams. Isn't it a direct attack at Russian NT? It is and you can't deny it, don't even try. You know what I didn't hear a word of complaint from Bayern, Inter, Celtic, Sporting CP, Celtic who played on this pitch this or last year, you know why? They are not pathetic moaners like you are. And, vanzandt, the reason why RFS chose Luzhniki wasn't the pitch, it is simply the biggest stadium in Moscow (90 000 capacity and it's a 5 star UEFA stadium btw) so that we can get some real huge support for this game. Sorry for ruining your conspiracy theory, but it's a fact.
Oh and the only vile pig in here is you. Farewell sucker!
P.S. this isn't England NT thread in the first place, so why did you start that moaning in here?
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controlisanishoot
super cancel
Serbija has a great win, but I fear it is too little too late.
Bosnia has slipped away, it can't make it now it was really good a few months ago
it`s never too late
bebo
Looking for a Manager
If Russia `s astronauts are in space it might be a conspiracy of why England lost...a pen...mmmm just a joke
ToaTheBoa
League 2
I think Norway will make it after beating Bosnia yesterday. We are in really good form now.
England not making it is, as always, their own fault. They always think they are better than they really are.
England not making it is, as always, their own fault. They always think they are better than they really are.
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Asiat
Premier League
- 13 March 2004
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn9f1xYmZVk
Rus-Eng video
Rus-Eng video
In London was offside when England has been scoring second goal. This is fact. Secondary, In London no handball when Ziryanov has been scoring goal. Ref in London made 2 very big mistakes, and Russia lose the first leg. England in London won by ref. This is fact.
England in London won by ref. This is fact.
Vanzandt, you don't honestly think anyone has read those big kick-ass posts do you?
Don't be blaming refs, which seems to be the norm, Rooney was offside according to England commentators, so guess it evens itself out.
Don't worry guys you can always watch it on the TV with us Scots.
I saw the Georgia result coming, god knows where the bookies got us 1/2 on to beat them at their own place. Poor performance though, especially from Fletcher, Fergusons and Maloney I thought. It means we have to beat Italy which will be a tall order, when before a draw would've done us.
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Don't be blaming refs, which seems to be the norm, Rooney was offside according to England commentators, so guess it evens itself out.
Don't worry guys you can always watch it on the TV with us Scots.
I saw the Georgia result coming, god knows where the bookies got us 1/2 on to beat them at their own place. Poor performance though, especially from Fletcher, Fergusons and Maloney I thought. It means we have to beat Italy which will be a tall order, when before a draw would've done us.
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marukomu
Ecchi otoko
I always thought Scotland would fall at the end to be honest. Still a chance though because Italy aren't the team they were... and you beat France twice so anything is possible. Hope you do it.
Looks like I might be supporting Portugal although it probably won't be on TV here anyway.
Looks like I might be supporting Portugal although it probably won't be on TV here anyway.
Professor Nutmeg
ML Fanatic
- 3 July 2002
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denirobob
IBERIAN PRIMERA
- 28 June 2002
Seededed teams then are Switzerland, Austria, Greece and a.n. other
Anyone listen to the Guardian podcast?
Interesting info on there about the fact that Germany are highly likely to be the 4th seeded side and they are none too happy about it. There was talk that they would take the foot of the gas in the remaining qualifiyers - Possibly a reason behind the 3-0 defeat to the Czechs?
db
Anyone listen to the Guardian podcast?
Interesting info on there about the fact that Germany are highly likely to be the 4th seeded side and they are none too happy about it. There was talk that they would take the foot of the gas in the remaining qualifiyers - Possibly a reason behind the 3-0 defeat to the Czechs?
db
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Hashish?
- 3 August 2004
- Newcastle United FC
DB, what's so negative about being seeded?
denirobob
IBERIAN PRIMERA
- 28 June 2002
hello mate
Basically it's between Netherlands, Portugal & Germany for the 4th seed spot based on qualifiying for WC06 and this current qualifying. All those teams currently sit 2nd in their respective groups, but before last night the germans were top and would of stayed top had they beaten the Czechs.
well normally the top seeds would be the best teams wouldnt they, but cos both hosts and holders will be seeded and all of the other 12 will in an open draw u could have a group like this...
Germany
Italy
Spain
France
If you were Italy, Spain, France etc... you'd only have a 1 in 4 chance of ending up with a real heavyweight like Germany/Netherlands/Portugal but youd have a 3 in 4 chance of being in with Austria, Switz or Greece
e.g.
Austria
France/Italy/Spain
Romania
Poland
which is much less daunting im sure youd agree!
db
Basically it's between Netherlands, Portugal & Germany for the 4th seed spot based on qualifiying for WC06 and this current qualifying. All those teams currently sit 2nd in their respective groups, but before last night the germans were top and would of stayed top had they beaten the Czechs.
well normally the top seeds would be the best teams wouldnt they, but cos both hosts and holders will be seeded and all of the other 12 will in an open draw u could have a group like this...
Germany
Italy
Spain
France
If you were Italy, Spain, France etc... you'd only have a 1 in 4 chance of ending up with a real heavyweight like Germany/Netherlands/Portugal but youd have a 3 in 4 chance of being in with Austria, Switz or Greece
e.g.
Austria
France/Italy/Spain
Romania
Poland
which is much less daunting im sure youd agree!
db
vanzandt
The answer must be Jam
- 26 July 2007
- Everton
Sod it I’m not going away…I’m continuing to post because what is being written continues to be rubbish that need to be exposed.
My main problems are this;
How many other national teams are openly mocked if they lose be a few but significant minority every time they lose in the way England are?
If France, Spain, Germany, Portugal, Scotland etc lose or fail to qualify are there people waiting to bait those fan in threads?
Are there people posting mocking comments in thread with the very intention of pissing off those fans?
The questions are rhetorical because it does not happen.
It happens with England because you have a few, a sick and twisted minority who for whatever reason wish to pour out their bile and hatred of the England national team.
Where is all the mocking and piss taking out of Scotland from yesterday?
Where is all the mocking and piss taking out of Germany?
It doesn’t happen!
At least one of you was mocking the history and recent world cups etc of England, you felt that the result in Russia would allow you to be an evil little pixie and come out and spread your nasty little hatred of all things English..
All this stuff IS racism and it is hidden under the guise of football comment etc….bulls shit.
You are joining in the TAG TEAM action of having a go at me with a number of people.
The fact is I never said there was a conspiracy of any kind. What I have said is that there IS a minority of people who always lie in wait to slag off England at the first sign of any chance to do so be it a lost match or a failure to qualify.
Again on that note I point to all the mocking comments by a number of you guys, which you said were not directed at me but England in general.
Why are you doing that?
I mean, no one does that if Brazil lose, no one does it if Germany lose, no one does it if Scotland or Ireland lose etc.
What is the purpose of doing this explain?
How is this not designed to be troll like and piss English fans off?
I an English fan, the only words on Scotland I posted when Scotland beat France was “well done Scotland”.
When England beat Russia, did I post a single derogatory remark?
Were any English fans posting derogatory remarks about Russia after we won at Wembley?
NO.
I am not a conspiracy nut and I am not paranoid. It is an absolute fact that some people like to attack England if they lose and that this behavior does not exist with other teams.
Maybe you think the English fans are arrogant I do not know. What I do know is that I have not though England were particularly great, I just wanted us to qualify because they are my team, nothing more than that and I know that I do not make defamatory remarks about other people national teams.
In 20 plus years of following England I have never even know a single English fan who has felt we were going to win anything. The typical English though on the national team if there ever is one is one of worrying that we wont be good enough. But I guess a lot of people have this bee in there bonnet that the English are arrogant and maybe comments stem from that….outside of the English media and a very tiny minority this is blatantly not the case.
No I have been rialed more and more by your attempts at that of others to antagonize and criticize England in the way you have. I have been unhappy with this attitude that it is always ok to post anti English sentiment, which you and a a number of other posters indulged in.
Like I say name another team this happens to?
As for the Rooney goal, no I personally do not think it was offside, I think it was onside.
But please go and get some youtube footage that shows any daylight between Rooney and the last Russian defender (there isn’t any), you are clutching at straws on this one.
If I felt it was offside it would be important to me. I would look at it the same way if that was a Russian player on the attack.
Where have I posted anything in relation to the first game?
Where have I denied you the legitimacy of this statement?
You are like a number of people have trying to put words in my mouth and decide what I have said.
In my mind you might be right about this incident in the first game, but two wrongs do not make a right irrespective. On the the incident you have mentioned I never saw a decent camera angle that confirmed what the situation was on way or the other. When I first saw it I though handball, afterwards I was less sure, maybe it wasn't. But this penalty was NOT a touch and go decision, it was a blatant and terrible and obviously wrong decision.
But like I said I never commented on that game, what does this have to do with yesterdays game and what does this have to do with you and others mocking England?
No again you are trying to put words in my mouth and tell me what I said, but you are categorically wrong. I did NOT attack the Russian team, not at any point.
I was using the term poorer by way of a comparative, this way not intended or used ina critical manner of the Russian team.
Like I said most neutrals, most Russians and even Guus would concede that England were favourites and so my comparative comment in reference to the pitch was only making this point, I never said anything derogatory about the Russian team. I have already denied such cooments as you have read prior and I do so again.
YOU on the other hand are the one who categorically HAS been derogatory about the England team with you mocking references.
I am perfectly aware of the reasons for why the match was held at the stadium, you do not need to tell me. Given it does NOT have a grass pitch upto a proper international standard it should never have been used. I am not interested in what other teams felt about it. The fact is this pitch would NEVER be allowed to be used in the English premier League, La Liga, Seria a, it would never be allowed in the world cup. It would never be allowed to host a European final in etc.
The pitch is my only a secondary complaint as you know (though a perfectly legitimate one all the same).
My main complaints have been the penalty, which was a disgrace and turned the result on its head and more importantly the mocking anti English sentiment that you always get after England lose…its disgusting!!!
Because of the disgusting attitude expressed by some and how much me angers me.
Go off and try and find any post or thread where I have hammered other national teams in the way you have took the piss out of my national team.
You wont be able to find anything like the shit you and others get involved in.
Try and find me mocking any other national team in this manner.
Go and show me of a single post where I took the piss out of the Russian national team after we beat you at wembley.
You can’t do that either because I never become boastful and acted nasty in this way.
I have NOT criticized and took the piss out of any of the teams we have beat.
P.S
I know people will think I am being a loon on all this. I also know that I will probably have a good few people on my back for this post….I don’t care.
Some people are trying to cover their own arses for disgusting behavior and anti English sentiment and couch such sentiment behind football, it shouldn’t be acceptable.
Like I said show me another team that always faces this mocking derision upon any lose or failure, show me any other nation on this board that has to put up with this type of thing. If anyone can successfully do that I will retract my points….fact is no one will be able to do that. There factually always are a few rotten apples who come on and slaughter England for this and that after games, uses it as an excuse to tee off on the history of Englsih football, call all our players big time charley etc..
Bullshit!
My main problems are this;
How many other national teams are openly mocked if they lose be a few but significant minority every time they lose in the way England are?
If France, Spain, Germany, Portugal, Scotland etc lose or fail to qualify are there people waiting to bait those fan in threads?
Are there people posting mocking comments in thread with the very intention of pissing off those fans?
The questions are rhetorical because it does not happen.
It happens with England because you have a few, a sick and twisted minority who for whatever reason wish to pour out their bile and hatred of the England national team.
Where is all the mocking and piss taking out of Scotland from yesterday?
Where is all the mocking and piss taking out of Germany?
It doesn’t happen!
At least one of you was mocking the history and recent world cups etc of England, you felt that the result in Russia would allow you to be an evil little pixie and come out and spread your nasty little hatred of all things English..
All this stuff IS racism and it is hidden under the guise of football comment etc….bulls shit.
You are joining in the TAG TEAM action of having a go at me with a number of people.
The fact is I never said there was a conspiracy of any kind. What I have said is that there IS a minority of people who always lie in wait to slag off England at the first sign of any chance to do so be it a lost match or a failure to qualify.
Again on that note I point to all the mocking comments by a number of you guys, which you said were not directed at me but England in general.
Why are you doing that?
I mean, no one does that if Brazil lose, no one does it if Germany lose, no one does it if Scotland or Ireland lose etc.
What is the purpose of doing this explain?
How is this not designed to be troll like and piss English fans off?
I an English fan, the only words on Scotland I posted when Scotland beat France was “well done Scotland”.
When England beat Russia, did I post a single derogatory remark?
Were any English fans posting derogatory remarks about Russia after we won at Wembley?
NO.
I am not a conspiracy nut and I am not paranoid. It is an absolute fact that some people like to attack England if they lose and that this behavior does not exist with other teams.
Maybe you think the English fans are arrogant I do not know. What I do know is that I have not though England were particularly great, I just wanted us to qualify because they are my team, nothing more than that and I know that I do not make defamatory remarks about other people national teams.
In 20 plus years of following England I have never even know a single English fan who has felt we were going to win anything. The typical English though on the national team if there ever is one is one of worrying that we wont be good enough. But I guess a lot of people have this bee in there bonnet that the English are arrogant and maybe comments stem from that….outside of the English media and a very tiny minority this is blatantly not the case.
No I have been rialed more and more by your attempts at that of others to antagonize and criticize England in the way you have. I have been unhappy with this attitude that it is always ok to post anti English sentiment, which you and a a number of other posters indulged in.
Like I say name another team this happens to?
As for the Rooney goal, no I personally do not think it was offside, I think it was onside.
But please go and get some youtube footage that shows any daylight between Rooney and the last Russian defender (there isn’t any), you are clutching at straws on this one.
If I felt it was offside it would be important to me. I would look at it the same way if that was a Russian player on the attack.
Where have I posted anything in relation to the first game?
Where have I denied you the legitimacy of this statement?
You are like a number of people have trying to put words in my mouth and decide what I have said.
In my mind you might be right about this incident in the first game, but two wrongs do not make a right irrespective. On the the incident you have mentioned I never saw a decent camera angle that confirmed what the situation was on way or the other. When I first saw it I though handball, afterwards I was less sure, maybe it wasn't. But this penalty was NOT a touch and go decision, it was a blatant and terrible and obviously wrong decision.
But like I said I never commented on that game, what does this have to do with yesterdays game and what does this have to do with you and others mocking England?
No again you are trying to put words in my mouth and tell me what I said, but you are categorically wrong. I did NOT attack the Russian team, not at any point.
I was using the term poorer by way of a comparative, this way not intended or used ina critical manner of the Russian team.
Like I said most neutrals, most Russians and even Guus would concede that England were favourites and so my comparative comment in reference to the pitch was only making this point, I never said anything derogatory about the Russian team. I have already denied such cooments as you have read prior and I do so again.
YOU on the other hand are the one who categorically HAS been derogatory about the England team with you mocking references.
I am perfectly aware of the reasons for why the match was held at the stadium, you do not need to tell me. Given it does NOT have a grass pitch upto a proper international standard it should never have been used. I am not interested in what other teams felt about it. The fact is this pitch would NEVER be allowed to be used in the English premier League, La Liga, Seria a, it would never be allowed in the world cup. It would never be allowed to host a European final in etc.
The pitch is my only a secondary complaint as you know (though a perfectly legitimate one all the same).
My main complaints have been the penalty, which was a disgrace and turned the result on its head and more importantly the mocking anti English sentiment that you always get after England lose…its disgusting!!!
Because of the disgusting attitude expressed by some and how much me angers me.
Go off and try and find any post or thread where I have hammered other national teams in the way you have took the piss out of my national team.
You wont be able to find anything like the shit you and others get involved in.
Try and find me mocking any other national team in this manner.
Go and show me of a single post where I took the piss out of the Russian national team after we beat you at wembley.
You can’t do that either because I never become boastful and acted nasty in this way.
I have NOT criticized and took the piss out of any of the teams we have beat.
P.S
I know people will think I am being a loon on all this. I also know that I will probably have a good few people on my back for this post….I don’t care.
Some people are trying to cover their own arses for disgusting behavior and anti English sentiment and couch such sentiment behind football, it shouldn’t be acceptable.
Like I said show me another team that always faces this mocking derision upon any lose or failure, show me any other nation on this board that has to put up with this type of thing. If anyone can successfully do that I will retract my points….fact is no one will be able to do that. There factually always are a few rotten apples who come on and slaughter England for this and that after games, uses it as an excuse to tee off on the history of Englsih football, call all our players big time charley etc..
Bullshit!
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denirobob
IBERIAN PRIMERA
- 28 June 2002
hi,
yes it could indeed.
If that's not absolutely the group of death it's at the very least the group of terminal disease