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I think it's the other way around tho. The market is going towards the opposite direction. IF they already start the game in the inspiration of FUT/MyC/whatever microtransaction hell you want, I really would need to see it to believe they'll add an offline mode that isn't a bot mode for newcomers. Cause as of now I don't see a single reason why they should/would.
 
Madmac79 said:
I think it's the other way around tho. The market is going towards the opposite direction. IF they already start the game in the inspiration of FUT/MyC/whatever microtransaction hell you want, I really would need to see it to believe they'll add an offline mode that isn't a bot mod for newcomers. Cause as of now I don't see a single reason why they should/would.
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I guess I’m thinking that if one of the new games, say UFL, really nails it and the game takes off to a point where it’s the “new PES” if you like in terms of market standing (maybe pushing FIFA one day who knows) then if they’re going for a sim approach to online gaming, I assume it wouldn’t be beyond their capabilities to make the game offline with a career like mode and if there’s a market for that, which we know there is, I assume it wouldn’t be out of their interests from a business point of view.

I just don’t think it would be logical for any start up to focus on/ test the waters with a new game that’s offline only from a business point of view these days.
 
I don't care about online modes. And F2P is really bad. It means one game constantly updated beyond seasons. How can you mod something like that?
How can you play with rosters set on a particular season? After few months everything is updated to the next season and you won't have chance to revisit the previous game, because there is no previous game...
 
Ximelez said:
, I assume it wouldn’t be beyond their capabilities to make the game offline with a career like mode and if there’s a market for that, which we know there is, I assume it wouldn’t be out of their interests from a business point of view.
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See, it's where I'm skeptic. There supposedly is a market even now for that stuff, yet both Fifa and Pes gradually moved away from it, at least in the sense that everything they decide gameplay wise is heavily influenced by what the lootboxes enthusiasts wants. In this environment I can't picture a company testing waters with online and then putting out a good offline mode somehwere in the future. I think they'll just keep on injecting steroids to their main which is the microstransaction thing.

Then I can't predict the future you, mind you - I can barely see what I'll eat tomorrow breakfast :D . Maybe someone will see the pontential in investing in an offline career - maybe pumping microtransactions here too (which I'm surprised nobody seriously did at least try until now in football games). In the meantime I just personally believe there are good reasons to remain dubious.
 
I have to say also, whilst I prefer playing with real leagues and teams in modes such as master league, I’m not opposed to team building modes such as Myclub and FUT - I like the theory behind it but EA and Konami have never presented it in a way that interests me. It’s always been way too focus on kids with a corny, childish trading card / pay to win element. Master League online was brilliant in 2011 if a bit too laborious for my liking.

I’m liking a lot of what I’m reading from UFL… it almost seems like the people that making that game are people like us on here, that are fed up with the way FIFA & PES have been for years and are actually doing something about it.

A couple of very positive points for me:

- A lot of talk about a sim & fair approach to the game overall

- They’ve already partnered with a premier league club, a fairly big club too in West Ham, so they’re not just a few guys sitting in a bedroom trying to make a game on their PC. They must have people on the ground pushing this game and making deals, to a point where a club like West Ham feels they’re legit enough, credible and have enough potential to put their name to it.

- Licensed boots already seen in the trailer to me shows an attention to detail and again, that they’re doing deals to get these things in game.

- Partnership with FIFPRO announced already - I believe FIFPRO license isn’t cheap so there’s a good commitment there too

- Partnership with and in game stats coming from a legit sports analytics company meaning they’re conscious of making the stats realistic hopefully unlike FIFA/ PES over the years where you get insanely rated “player of the week” or whatever cards.

- Creating your own club to me signals editing capabilities will be in game and extensive to give enough variation between players clubs online.

Hyped.
 
Madmac79 said:
I think it's the other way around tho. The market is going towards the opposite direction. IF they already start the game in the inspiration of FUT/MyC/whatever microtransaction hell you want, I really would need to see it to believe they'll add an offline mode that isn't a bot mode for newcomers. Cause as of now I don't see a single reason why they should/would.
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Totally agree. They are going with the "wrong" foot choosing this route to compete into this industry, and by wrong foot I'm referring from a perspective where they will not appeal to football fans anymore (like was the case in the past), but instead they will strictly advertise their new game to get more casuals in place because those games will be free, with some marketing and some virtual currency or rewards at the start to get users hooked, and will rain with credit cards.
In other hand, from a business perspective they could act with monetization and predatory purposes in mind, but they are doing the best thing that will benefit them because nowadays that's the market & audience (tik-tokers & fortniters) who asks for products with this business model. That's a shame, but it is what it is...
 
UFL looks to be console only? No PC right, I wonder how many more years we will have an efootball and FIFA release on PC?
 
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Is it just me that finds it odd that Pes and UFL would put the water bottles next to the goal in the exact same manner. One standing, one on side. Same place and everything. Like borrowed assets.
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Well, everything can be possible. Now you can chose from three separate "football" games spawned from nowhere, generously to be released for "free". For the first time after decades I'm thinking to get FIFA 22, at least I don't need to be worried about paying for every mode an entrance fee while I'm ice skating offline...
 
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Chuny said:
Whichever. I don't play online.
But might have to start to.
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I stopped since 5 years and it feeled less frustrating and better to play.
Not at all the same as playing with your friend, no human contact etc. but in terms of gameplay you can't say that there's no variety online. Any AI/Cpu can't reproduce it, but AI is more able to reproduce how a full team of pro plays with a certain logic and a tactic/consign/way to play (i've saw some players used completely opposite to their playing style) well, it's my opinion or more point of view.

But offline is first, less frustrating and putting on your nerves against trolls players you can't even tell "play correctly please".

Also one big thing, it's less annoying when your start : as you got to get sometimes from the 10 to the the 4th 3rd or 2nd Division depending your own level to get a at least bit of opposition as players, especially if you don't buy it at launch is long and annoying. (CPU > just choose your difficulty and plug and play).
Scoring tons of goal vs newbies is not amusing, you feels like if you were training on Very Easy, well some rage quit after 3-0 in the first 20 minutes (better... but still).
And 1st division is like Esports players using all the games flaws. Let's say i got 50/50 fun on Fifa online from the 09 to the 16, and a very small bit the 17 before selling it.
I talk about my Fifa experience, but i'm 99% sure it's the same on PES. I also think, if they've got for the first time in Konami's series, good servers, that i will probably take a look too. It's not that i hate it, but i NEVER played online random games on PES : Only one tournament on PES6 360, with Ligue 1 (i gotted Lorient lol, wasn't easy)

Edit: About UFL/Strikerz, their stadiums ldoesn't look better at all than Fox or even Ignite or Frosbite (i really want to say worste... But i didn't remind every presentation stadiums neither lol) Colors are basic, lighting is basic. I don't get you all, where it's "next-gen"? To me it's looking just acceptable.

BUT even if it's online only, at least there's no sign of future bad gameplay like there's in Goalz, it's still an enigm (like absolute zero assistance in Defense, when you will got 10 players to control, and often 4-6 in defense... I don't think any other probable game/except the one who Kurt was inspired/ will go with that choice)
 
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Mathgamer said:
Relaxed team

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They are all young and all. All Of them looking "cool".

Almost like they are all artists and not actual developers.

But its pretty to see that there's a professional team that seems to have enough resources to build a game with good tech and presentation.
 
They are all too Young with cool looking clothes, styles and mannerism. Its lacking obese nerds or dudes with white long beards to look like real developers. Where's my diversity? I only see college students, interns.

If a bunch of interns make a better game than fifa and pes with less resources, oh Boy, thats a humillation.
 
Well if we start analysing everything like people working on a game you've made me laugh bro (no mockery at all) :LMAO:
Don't refers to appearence, there's smart young with good aknowledge and creativity and old guys with charisma you may think they're good devs, but stubborn and doing the same stuff each year. And the opposite. We don't care about the team, the results only matter.
It's just a simple game development studio you see there, nothing more or less, i see that kind of short vid/clips a thousand times.

We got so much announcement and so less real stuffs except one terrible beta...
Than we don't even know what to talk about or search hints about "how that game will be"
 
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Well, will be the same for UFL or GOALS at their launch. Do you think they create a game for something else than business?
They see an opening. More than PES, FIFA sells are dropping each year. The most dangerous regarding monopoly. They saw NBA2K, FM, and thinked why not us?

Well good luck for them regarding licences and exclusives shits that both EA/Konami will take as they've got much more links and aknowledge about it than any new footie game.

... But to me, as long as stuffs are editable : i don't care. People less, even applying an OF/exports is just too annoying for them, even if in fact, it will brings twice more real kits than Fifa (but not stadiums, which is pretty important, less than kits but well)

Edit : i wish to them the best honestly, they got others games to gets some inspiration now. Wasn't the case while PES/ISS cames, only one took PES inspiration and the result was at least fun, but nothing were at the same level : Football Kingdom.
Also, from scratch... I don't think those new coming games will be better than what we got even now on PS4-PC.

It's a long term work. Perhaps the future versions of those games may breaks the "balance".... But personnally, i don't thrust about "better". Perhaps just good, promising, but not enough. I don't want to make you loose hope, but we already talked about "creating a football game/+- realistic based" and i just repeat what i said before
 
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UFL and whatever that 4th game is at least sound promising and they are new and fresh. it will start as a F2P online only, but maybe if the gameplay is good and editing tools even better, people will want them to make a decent career mode and they do it down the line in a year or two? It's a new studio, so communication will be better and there at least is some hope. Even in EA and FIFA later on.

On the other hand, with eFoot, Konami is doing stupid backwards logic towards removing SP and master league and edit mode completely, and they will lose if they dont realize that eventually and return to the roots that made we/pes a great game.
 
Editing people and OF was a big part of PES. They can't remove it, impossible. About feature, i just hope that ML will gives the choice to remove fakes leagues (PEU/PLA etc.) because i really think that they won't change the system. Because 101 teams to edit too much.
Why not a simple check between the 4? Like in PES 2018, but with more choice (you could've remove all fakes leagues... But not Others fu***g fakes Others America)
Choices, i mean check boxes for the participating leagues. I just want Bundes for example, uncheck all participating but not PEU. Also Others America should be included on. Well, as every leagues will be created for 2022, you may start ML the first day they will lauch it hahahahah.

I thinked about one thing too : As it's an application, (F2P doesn't mean that everything is online : there's an application where everything is stored) i'm thinkin about one thing : we shouldn't lost like every year, Preset faces. They will probably still hidden in the database...

Well i talk if the game is playable of course. But if it's like the crap Beta, it will be a sad goodbye. I won't mock them, it's more a sad feeling i got, i can make some jokes about the shitty choices, but in fact i can't take it with laughs, but in a sad way if the game is even lower than PES 2021. If it's the same but improved : i'm okay with it. I'm old school so some stuffs don't bother me (like the gameplan selection between replay etc. someone complained : i don't give a damn)
 
DuduBR9 said:
They are all too Young with cool looking clothes, styles and mannerism. Its lacking obese nerds or dudes with white long beards to look like real developers. Where's my diversity? I only see college students, interns.

If a bunch of interns make a better game than fifa and pes with less resources, oh Boy, thats a humillation.
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Joking aside, if you look on their twitter page they have clearly been on a recruitment drive recently. The video in question serves as a way to entice talented individuals, who may otherwise be attracted to the more established developers, who themselves have a reputation of ruthlessly chewing up and spitting out talent. Perhaps they want to create an environment that gets the best out of its workforce and makes them loyal to the organisation.

I think it should be applauded that they have put together a video that looks infinitely more professional than the shit served up by Konami. When you consider that Konami have the might of Barcelona players and still decide to advertise their new rebrand using clips of Pique looking like a prisoner of war, who had been held captive for weeks. It's decisions like that which show up sustained regression by Konami over the years.

As for UFL being pvp only, I guess we'll have to wait and see what the actual mechanics of the game play like. If there's enough substance of it feeling like a simulation, then perhaps the feedback for it including a single player mode might prove a no-brainer to establish a bigger share in the market and fanbase.

It can only be seen as a positive that we now have two new games (other being Goals) that are muscling in on the business model that Konami have chosen, and who only currently succeed in due to having no direct competition.
 
DuduBR9 said:
They are all too Young with cool looking clothes, styles and mannerism. Its lacking obese nerds or dudes with white long beards to look like real developers. Where's my diversity? I only see college students, interns.

If a bunch of interns make a better game than fifa and pes with less resources, oh Boy, thats a humillation.
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Don't get confused with the ability to make a better game and being driven by a company / shareholders to milk their users of every penny EA are more than capable but a realistic offline football game doesn't make as much as an online multiplayer arcade game.
 
right now after opening of Gamescom it feels like this

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