Well jumbo, to me the way Clattenburg let himself be influnced by Ferdinand is "class justice".
But Untd deserved the win and it is also extremly stupid of Spurs players to concede goals like that.
Sorry to hijack this thread for discussing this.
It seems pretty clear to me (and other reports) that Clattenberg had already decided to award the goal and was just conferring with his assistant. That's why he immediately ushers away all the screaming Tottenham players as he had already made his mind up. Ferdinand did not influence his decision at all, it was already made.
And of course, Spurs have never tried to do that themselves.
YouTube - Huddlestone Goal V Fulham
0:35 is particularly interesting.
http://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/09042010/58/premier-league-manchester-united-saints.html
I don't think it can be dismissed as "rubbish", most people who follow the Premier League with a degree of objectivity (i.e. neutrals) can think of numerous incidents such as the ones listed above. Occasionally another team might crowd a ref but I can't think of an example (let alone multiple examples from the same team) akin to the above.
The irony of all this is that Ferguson had the hypocrisy to call Bayern's players "typical Germans" last season when they crowded the ref.
Well, I agree that was totally hypocritical of SAF but which manager isn't hypocritical at some point? And I can't argue with the first few examples on there, we clearly have surrounded referees before but that's not the point. The reason you can't think of many other examples of other teams doing it is because nobody bothers to highlight it like this person has. It happens in nearly every match at some point, with every contentious decision, regardless of who is playing. Though, generally speaking when something unjust happens to a smaller team against a slightly less small team, it's forgotten about very quickly. Watching this match now, Bursaspor have done it twice and only over small fouls in the middle of the pitch.
Here's some FC Twente players harassing the ref when he awards Spurs a penalty for a debatable handball a few weeks ago. Funny that nobody was up in arms about this, and two dodgy decisions for Spurs in the space of a few weeks... something fishy going on here.
Here's some Chelsea players surrounding Mike Riley
And taking the card out of Mike Dean's hand
And more surrounding
And again
And we all remember this
But as you say, nobody does it quite like United do.
Well, lets assume recent is this season, I would say the Nani debacle of the weekend is one, and then for others you could say the Duff handball in the Fulham game at the start of the season was dubious (certainly the
Daily Mail ("extremely harsh") and the
Mirror "a harsh penalty award" - suggest it was a dubious decision. So that's two, you could add the farcical ending of the match at Goodison Park (when the ref allowed Man Utd to have an attack in the 93rd min, but stopped it as soon as Everton counterattacked).
Ok fair enough, although most non-hysterical reports have agreed that although it was handled badly by Clattenburg, the goal was legal and Everton still went down the other end and had a shot from 8 yards out (which Van Der Sar saved), so that's not quite as bad as was made out.
Against Spurs, in the first half Bale was in the box, the ball went out of play (and was missed by that same lino), Bale continued on and Tottenham nearly scored. They also could have scored from the resulting corner, luckily for us they headed over. If Spurs score there would we be having this same level of commotion? I very much doubt it.
Against Stoke we could quite easily have had 2 penalties. Huth handballed in the box, but nothing was given and later on Evra was blatantly shoved over in the box by Delap, making no attempt for the ball as he attempted to meet a cross that ended up with Sorensen.
Against Liverpool we could also have arguably had a penalty for various shoves and manhandling in the box and the freekick Torres won for their second goal was pretty soft. He was never getting the ball and the collision looked accidental and Torres threw himself over.
That's 5 from this season, plus like I mentioned before the Drogba goal against us was a good yard offside which had huge consequences compared with Nani's which the 2nd goal in a 2-0 win.
Found this elsewhere, I know it's not all about ingame incidents, but people often like to say that United have the FA in their pocket etc:
- Manchester City’s Christian Negouai was fined £2k and received no ban for missing a drugs test around the same time the FA fined Rio Ferdinand £50k and an eight month ban.
- Manchester City’s Robbie Fowler scored a late goal against United and celebrated in front of our travelling fans, holding up his five digits to represent Liverpool’s success in Europe and received no punishment. A week later, Gary Neville celebrated in front of Liverpool’s travelling fans following a late goal and was fined £5k.
- Liverpool’s Steven Gerrard and Neil Mellor were sent off in the pre-season friendly Amsterdam tournament and received no punishment. Wayne Rooney and Paul Scholes were sent off in the same tournament a couple of years later and were banned for three league matches.
- Craig Bellamy hits a restrained fan in front of the world’s cameras and receives a warning. Patrice Evra allegedly punched a Chelsea groundsman, although there was compelling evidence to the contrary (the CCTV footage which recorded the incident showed no punch) and receives a four match ban.
All true and clear examples of United being singled out by the authorities and made examples of.
Further to that on Rio's ban... The FA and FIFA actually tried to extend it to 12months!!!! Just for
missing a drugs test, which he then passed, clean, the following day. Players like Mutu, Stam and Guardiola, who have actually failed drugs tests were only banned for 3-7 months and fined much less. And then there's times where someone's not been banned at all, like Frank De Boer (Nandrolone) and Roman Bednar (charged by police for buying cocaine/cannabis - yet no FA ban).
This is anything but pro-United bias.
This season when Man City beat Blackpool one goal was offside, the other there was a foul in the build up. When they beat Newcastle the week before they scored from a penalty that should never have been given, but nobody says anything.
Apologies for the non-Arsenal chat.
good result . We are defending as a team too!I notice this in the CL match on Tuesday vs. Shakhtar Donetsk , Arshavin tracking back 
