But I don't agree with you generalising these parents as money grabbing people. There are many other reasons why the young players will leave the clubs they were at. Like there being limited chances for them to progress at their current club, being one of those many reasons.
Usually if a young player has been bought up at a club and has a special connection with them etc etc - it is hard for them to leave. So there must be other reasons other than money for these young players to leave.
oh come on Bobby, i know u don't really believe what u said.... u can't really believe this!
other reasons to leave the club which turned em into football players? wich reasons???
trying a new experience???
oh sure i'm pretty sure that's a good reason. i'm sure this was rossi's real aim, when ran away from parma's clubhouse (in the middle of the night) to reach man utd.
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i'm so sick of Parma, i'm so tired of living in the city who has been constantly mentioned among the 10 best cities in the world for quality of life index..... i'm sick of the beautiness of this city, of the wheather, the food, the lifestyle, my friends.... i would just like to leave all of this and try something new.... Manchester is the place i wanna be! :-!
or maybe they do it coz they have limited chances for them to progress at their current club???
well if that's the case, then i guess somebody should tell theese kids they won't ever find anything better than parma, atalanta, reggina, roma, lazio or lecce, to improve their skills.
the fifa award for the best youth school (or is it a uefa award? i can't remember) has been won almost always by italian clubs, since the award was created (1985, if i remember well). spanish clubs won it a a few times (sevilla won in 3 times, barca 1 time), portuguese clubs won it 3 times (and it was always sporting lisbona who won it), french clubs won it about 5 times (a couple of times it was lyon, a couple of times tolouse won it).
italian clubs won it 12 times (4 times parma, 4 times atalanta, once reggina, once roma, once lazio, and one other time a club i don't remember at the moment).
how many times arsenal or manchester utd won the award? never. is there a single british youth school which ever won the award? no.
u probably don't know parma's football school or atalanta's youth team, but mate, comparing these youth schools to arsenal's or manchester's youth schools is like comparing usain bolt to pistorius. just do a research on the web about the best youth football schools in the world and u'll see what i'm talking about.
so we can definitely say they don't run away to improve their skills.
then maybe they move to arsenal, chelsea, man utd or newcastle to get more playtime?
wait a minute... u said..
The fact is a small percentage of young players make it to the first team of the team they were brought up with. So if they feel that the chances of them making it in that team are minimal - then why not move on?
.... but do u really believe that moving to arsenal, chelsea or man utd they will get more chances to make it to the first team???
let me think, to get some playtime in parma lupoli and rossi had to prove they could do better than the likes of budan, corradi, lucarelli..... so lupoli decided to move to arsenal, where he had to fight with the likes of henry and van persie, to get some first team playtime..... while rossi moved to man utd, where he had to compete with the likes of van nistelrooy and rooney.......
yeah i got to say it's pretty much easier to get some first team playtime in arsenal or man utd....
Seriously Bobby, there's just no defending them. the only reason why they move is because they're afraid they won't make it.... they're afraid they won't ever sign a professional contract (as u pointed out). so they keep learning from our schools, they keep taking advantage of parma's or atalanta's training facilities, of the football lessons, the tactical lessons, the gym, they take advantage of the school tutors (wich parma provides them for free).
and then, as soon as they become good enough, wenger's scouts come to to his parents and tell them "
u can't be sure your son will ever sign a professional contract... but if u come with us, we will give u a contract right now." then the parents might say (but i don't think they really say this) "
but this is unfair. what about his current club? i mean it's also illegal to do that. being an under 18 player my son must sign his first contract for the team who raised him, according to fifa rules"
and the scout might reply: "
don't worry madame, we have our ways to get around this rule... we'll take care of everything. we'll give u a fake job, so your son will be allowed to change his club... and it's all legal!"
oh jesus this is so disgusting.
So just as uncertain as it is for a club not knowing if a young player is going to sign a professional contract with them. Its just as uncertain that young players will get this contract aswell......
...... Just because a young player has been raised by a club - it doesn't mean they owe them the rest of their footballing lives. They have the right to do whatever they want, to stay or to go. Just as the club have the right to tell a young player they have no future at their club - after they have been with them from a very young age.
oh come on mate, this is wrong in so many ways.
sure both the club and the player don't know what will happen in the future.
the player doesn't know if he will ever get a contract, aswell as the club doesn't know if the player will ever become good enough to deserve a contract.
but while the club is giving a lot to the player (football teachers, personal trainers, gyms, pools, training facilities, school tutors, scooters etc..... the only thing the player does is taking. taking and taking and taking and taking, without giving anything in change.
and this is ok, because the only thing the club wants in change is the chance to sign the kid, once he will reach the legal age (if he'll prove he's worthy. if he turns out to be not good enough, he can leave and this means that this guy scrouged everything the club gave to him..... for free, without giving anything in change).
and FIFA guarrantees the club, by establishing that every kid MUST sign his first contract with the club which raised him.... but then british clubs use that dirty expedient (the fake job for the parents) to nullify the FIFA rule.
so to put it simply those clubs don't owe those kids for the rest of their footballing lives (as u said).... but they have the right to sign those guys for first (if they want to).
if u take tennis lesson's for an entire course, and then, once the course ends u just run away without paying.... then u're stealing.
those guys don't pay for their footballing education (even tough the clubs spend millions for the facilities the kids use for free) because their payment is supposed to be the first professional contract of the guy.
but then wenger's r ferguson's or abramovich's jackals\profiteers come and steal the fruits of italian clubs work.
and when platini pillory wenger and co. for this disgusting policies u even blame Platini for having a chip on his shoulder?????
u can bet your ass Platini is mad at arsenal or at chelsea or manchester or newcastle!!! and u have no idea how mad are reggina, parma, atalanta, presidents!!!
have u considered how they must feel??
mau utd stole rossi (who learned to play football in parma for 5 years) giving parma a ridiculous "donation" of 200.000 pounds. then after (just) 2 years man utd sold him for 11 millions euros!!!!! How would u feel if u were a parma supporter?
u say that the only thing u agree on is that the compensation is way to low.
but the reason why wenger and company keep doing theese thing is just coz they get those guys cheap.
palermo has very promising defender, Alberto Cossentino. today he's 20. when he was 17 newcastle use to send spies to palermo's training camp to make some reports about this kid. once newcastle realised the kid was worthy they went to his parents and had a "chat" with em.
luckily, Alberto's parents were good people, they said their son owe something to the club, for everything the club did for him. so they refused the offer and told newcastle agents to comeback as soon as Alberto will be a professional. they said "once Alberto will have a contract with Palermo, then u can come back here and negotiate with Palermo to sign my son. then we would be very happy to accept your offer"
u know what? as soon as alberto reached 18 years old, Newcastle showed no interest anymore for the kid (dirty bastards!)
i'm sorry i wrote another long post, but i wanted to be as clear as i can, in order to give u a good "picture" of the situation.
coz when u say that real madrid's policies are worse than arsenal, u're showing me u still miss some pieces of the puzzle.
real madrid transfer policies are to blame, no doubt about that. but there's no comparing it with what wenger does.
the only thing real madrid does is putting pressure on the other clubs (by using their media).
but they don't steal other club's players. they pay those players with real money.
and most important
the other clubs, no matter how much pressure real madrid puts on them, always have a choice.
madrid did everything to get ronaldo this summer. but sir alex just said "no way", and ronaldo had no other choice than staying at manchester. Because he has a contract to respect.
wenger instead looks for young kids, who are still too young to sign a contract for the italian law, and steals them from their own clubs.... and those clubs have nothing to do, coz they're not protected by a contract. FIFA should protect them with first contract rule, but wenger moves around that rule (if only someone could actually prove those jobs the parents suddenly get aren't real!
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as i said earlier, guys, i love arsenal, exactly as i love liverpool and chelsea and man utd. i love wenger's coaching style, i like his football and i also find him quite a classy person.....
but it's impossible to deny that what some british club (arsenal too) have being doing in the last 8 years is pretty much disgusting. and just the british club did it (coz it''s impossible go give a contract to an under 18 in italy and spain).
that's why Platini is so mad. and he's damn right. and he'll keep putting pressure on british clubs until they'll stop doing this shit (at least that's my hope).
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holy shit! i can't believe i spent 15 minutes to write all this stuff!
sorry for the long post guys, but don't jump over it and read it. it's important that u realise how things go on, as the british media won't ever tell u this stuff (they'd rather keep blaming Platini for being such an arrogant, anti-english cunt).
