Arsenal Thread

Good day all in all, we have lulled the other teams into a false sense of security, no we can win the league :-D
 
ZeroTheHero said:
No surprise today, seeing how incredibly poor but lucky Gunners were against Spurs.
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Whoa wait a minute, Arsenal were poor against Spurs but won it. It's not that kind of 'poor' that suggested the team could get battered 6-0 at Chelsea's.
Let's not forget Arsenal wasted enough chances in the North London derby that could have brought them 3-0 up in the first half. So let's not get carried away.
Spurs attacked a lot but missed only one clear goal chance, when the keeper dropped that cross and Kos blocked Chadli's shot.

Against Spurs the team created the chances but were wasteful. That's one kind of poor. Another thing is getting stuffed without creating the chances - which was the case yesterday.
TBH, the only chance Arsenal created was Rosicky's through ball to Giroud before conceding the 1st goal.

Wenger needs to take a long, hard look at himself and the careless attacking mentality this Arsenal side still possess.

We all sort of agree that the team have always looked more solid with Flamini on. I for one can't understand why on earth Flamini was left on the bench yesterday, with Arteta being left up against the likes of Hazard, Oscar and Schurrle.

When Wenger says in his post-match interview that it was all his fault, he's not taking the fall for his team and protecting his players. It really was his fault!

Let's hope for some silverware in the form of FA Cup (respecting our lower league opposition, unlike how we faced Chelsea) and that the manager will rectify his mistakes and make this team more balanced.
 
Oops, sorry! :LOL:

As it turns out, Wenger's quote yesterday must have been taken from an in-house Arsenal.com interview, because he didn't show up at the post-match conference! So was reported. In 17.5 years Wenger had never had avoided those.

What's more, they cancelled the pre-match press conference before Swansea.
The club is silent on all social media, so are the players... some real shit must be going on behind the scenes now. That's scary.
 
The reason give for his absence was that the bus was about to leave when Mourinho was done talking for fifteen minutes.
 
We have to beat Swansea tomorrow and put in a good performance against Man City at the weekend, we just have to. The result against chelsea was embarrassing and they need to put it right.

It is definitely something mental wrong with the players in these big away games, we just tirn into a championship side and lose all ability to play decent football.

They need to hypnotize all of the players or something before these games to give them belief.

Chelsea are a better team but even if we lose it should be close and we should fight for it at least.

I still think we are moving in the right direction, we have a decent team, we need 3 key signings in the summer and i think we can compete for the league.

But these thrashings need to stop!
 
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Sometimes i wonder if Arsenal should not make Wenger director of football and appoint a tactical coach.
What made the difference for Arsenal this year ? IMo the signings of Özil and Flamini. They weren't starters against Chelsea...one could agree with özil as he is visibly knackered, but why start Flamini on the bench against probably the best team in the league ?

I admire Wenger, but sometimes he gives the impression being a stubborn old man...a stubborn old man that is tactically naïve...
 
Rentboy said:
Whoa wait a minute
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So basically you're saying there's a difference between being poor, not creating chances and losing and being poor, not creating chances and winning? The only difference here is three points...

As I said, it wasn't a surprise result because I expected Chelsea to take advantage of a weak Arsenal where Spurs couldn't.
 
gerd said:
Sometimes i wonder if Arsenal should not make Wenger director of football and appoint a tactical coach.
What made the difference for Arsenal this year ? IMo the signings of Özil and Flamini. They weren't starters against Chelsea...one could agree with özil as he is visibly knackered, but why start Flamini on the bench against probably the best team in the league ?

I admire Wenger, but sometimes he gives the impression being a stubborn old man...a stubborn old man that is tactically naïve...
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The start of the season Ramsey and Ozil were playing well but so was our defence.

I do blame Wenger for yesterday there is somehing wrong with the team when results like this can happen.

But i know most goals come from mistakes, but you cant legislate for the sloppy play that led to at least half of the chelsea goals. You can tell the team to do everything but if they want to pass sloppy balls and gift the other team posession so easily, what can Wenger do?

But the buck does stop with Wenger, he needs to do something, i think the team is good enough and i am deadly serious with the hypnotist or some other form of motivational therapy for these games at least.

I do agree Flamini should have started it was naive of Wenger to put that team out and he way they played.
 
ZeroTheHero said:
So basically you're saying there's a difference between being poor, not creating chances and losing and being poor, not creating chances and winning? The only difference here is three points...

As I said, it wasn't a surprise result because I expected Chelsea to take advantage of a weak Arsenal where Spurs couldn't.
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A 6-0 score line is always a surprise result when the match is played by teams fighting at the top of the table.

As I said, Arsenal did create chances in the first half against Spurs, especially that run by the Ox when he had a 1-on-1 against Lloris but failed miserably at lobbying the keeper.
The team was sloppy, didn't kill off the game when they could, but Tottenham didn't have many chances of their own. Arsenal finished the game with a clean sheet - that's one kind of poor performance: grinding out 3 points that should have been easier considering the missed chances.

Another very different thing in the 'poor scale' is getting battered 6-0 without creating chances of your own, don't you think? I think it is very different. Nothing from the Tottenham game suggested that Arsenal would get stuffed like that.

BobbyBox said:
It is definitely something mental wrong with the players in these big away games, we just tirn into a championship side and lose all ability to play decent football.
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There is a mental block for sure. When facing Man Utd you can feel it, and with Chelsea too (except in this case the block sometimes is also literal, with Mourinho's bus parking tactics seen at the Emirates).

Our players also seem to have an uncanny ability to shoot themselves in the foot. When things go wrong, it's a real clusterfuck, you know.

But there's more than that. For me, it's telling that we got spanked 6-0, 5-1 and 6-3 by all 3 teams that are above us in the table now. That's no coincidence.

It's not only the players. Wenger is naive and stubborn.

He should acknowledge that his team isn't as strong as Chelsea's and Man City's and try to exploit any weakness he finds, analyse and adapt to them. Or at least approach the game with the necessary caution.
Instead, he fields exactly the same team with the same formation and the same gameplan as he does against Hull City for example.
It looks as though he haven't been doing his 'homework' on opposition.

I was fuming to see our fullbacks bombing forward and leaving us exposed to what Chelsea does best: counters. Everybody goes to a place like Stamford Bridge with caution nowadays, except Arsenal.

Another annoying flaw of his is seeing something broken and not trying to fix it during the match. Against Liverpool he watched Sturridge getting 2 or 3 balls behind our defence and miss his chances. The writing was on the wall and it was clear that playing that high line was suicidal. But we never corrected the defence's positioning that day, so no wonder 4 goals went past us in the first 45 minutes.

The season has been fine up until very recently, but these shambolic performances in the big games bring back all doubts again. These trashings must stop.
Letting in 17 goals in those 3 high profile matches isn't a freak occurrence and, in fact, this is reminiscent of that 8-2 trashing at Old Trafford. Those results more or less come from the same place, and ultimately Wenger is to blame.
 
Rentboy said:
Nothing from the Tottenham game suggested that Arsenal would get stuffed like that.
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Well, nothing except the fact that Arsenal were played extremely low by a very weak team. Arsenal weren't good in the first half either, Spurs were just worse. In the second half Arsenal weren't able to string three passes together. The fact that Spurs didn't create many chances and score goals was not due to any sort of good defending either, just take a look at the god damn goal difference Spurs has and you got the reason.

If you want to sugarcoat the fact that Arsenal is in big trouble now, fine but you're not fooling anyone but yourself.
 
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@Rentboy talking about Wenger never learning? :LOL:

Arsenal needs to make a statement tomorrow. Let`s hope these home matches we can do the business.
 
Wow, the FA cleared both Gibbs (correct) AND Oxlaide-Chamberlain.

Not sure I understand that. If it was mistaken-identity, then surely you have to charge the Ox?

I'm glad he's not suspended, but I don't understand how the FA can do that.
 
ZeroTheHero said:
Well, nothing except the fact that Arsenal were played extremely low by a very weak team. Arsenal weren't good in the first half either, Spurs were just worse. In the second half Arsenal weren't able to string three passes together. The fact that Spurs didn't create many chances and score goals was not due to any sort of good defending either, just take a look at the god damn goal difference Spurs has and you got the reason.

If you want to sugarcoat the fact that Arsenal is in big trouble now, fine but you're not fooling anyone but yourself.
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No sugarcoating here, you can't really say anybody is deluded here. I know Arsenal was shit against Chelsea and said so. But I'm not having people downplaying the North London derby win. Tottenham were there for the taking and Arsenal took it, one way or another.
Although I'm furious about the Chelsea match, I rather not get caught up in the pessimistic wave that follows it and dismiss the good results that were achieved. I'd rather look at the positive that was beating Spurs away. No matter how shit Spurs have been (and their table position suggests you're exaggerating a lot) there were better Arsenal teams that didn't win at White Hart Lane. In previous seasons we haven't been doing that, and to make things worse we were coming from 6th or 5th place in Feb and March to rescue a top 4 finish.

This time around it is different. I don't see where the big trouble is. What big trouble? Only a catastrophe would take a Champions League place away from Arsenal, and we have a real shot at winning the FA Cup.

We're still better off this season than in previous ones.
Surely a shambolic display like the last one raises lots of eyebrows, but Arsenal's season is nowhere near as bad as some people make out.


bebo said:
@Rentboy talking about Wenger never learning? :LOL:
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:YES:
The man wasn't going to sign a DMF - Flamini only came because he was a no-brainer on a free transfer. If you look at the impact he's had for us, and how Wenger insists on playing Arteta as a sole DMF against stronger sides, you can't say Wenger is exactly on top of things.

The way he neglects how the opposition plays, their strengths and weaknesses... always sticking to the same game plan regardless of who's the opposition, etc. And of course the way we played wide open against Chelsea and Liverpool especially, it is criminal really.
These are things that Wenger hasn't been working on for the past 6 years or so and this is my main gripe with him.
I want him to stay and win things, but I just can't stomach how tactically naive he's been. Furthermore, the insecurity of the players on pitch may also be a reflection of an unsure manager.
 
I was comparing you to wenger ,for both ignoring the obvious . Wenger not buying a proper DM and you to get into a endless debate w/ zero .

there is a reason why they say 'Don`t feed the birds'
 
beachryan said:
Shouldn't matter, the Ox deliberately handled a ball he believed was a goal scoring opportunity.

Fouls aren't about the eventual outcome.
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Foul's aren't but some punishments are. Doesn't matter how much a defender thinks he's the last man. if there's another defender behind him it's a yellow not a red - and vice versa

With the handball, Ox isn't stopping a goal or goalscoring opportunity. It's just a deliberate handball. Doesn't matter if Ox thought he was stopping the ball from going in.

The rule is if you are stopping a goal/scoring opportunity it's a red. It's not dependent upon what Ox thinks.
 
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I warned you Rentboy. Zero is like a dog with a bone, he will keep going with this littering his posts with brazen statements to rile you and make you respond and sprinkled with a little condescending tone and sometimes actual personal insults because you dont agree with him.

I predict about 20 more posts of back and forth for no reason at all, that we can all enjoy :ROLL:
 
Rentboy said:
No sugarcoating here, you can't really say anybody is deluded here.
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(I just cut away most to save space)

Well, fine. What I believe is that the mandatory Arsenal form dip has come late this season and that's what I meant by big trouble. I expect them to drop points regularly the coming weeks. We'll see who's right soon enough.


@BobbyBox
You know that generalizations based on slim source material is generally a sign of ignorance?
 
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Ive seen you come up with some good points Zero and have ok conversations with people, but the majority of what i have seen is you going on and on and on belittling peoples views etc and turning threads into pointless repititions to ram home your point of view, its not fun to read and i really don't want this Arsenal thread to go like that because i enjoy coming here.

The Barcelona thread for example turned into you going on and on about Maradona when everybody else had stopped.

You have valid points sometimes and you are welcome to your view, its nice having different opinions, but its the way you approach discussion is what is draining.
 
Well, when someone talk about something they clearly have no basis to form an opinion I feel compelled to say so. In the situation you mention I even took the effort to watch several matches to make sure my own view wasn't twisted over time.

It's frankly not my problem that you don't like a thorough approach. Besides, I don't really care if you rate my conversations with people as "ok", "awful" or whatever. I don't really look at usernames at all to be honest, but I do remember one or two, can't say if I've had any conversations with you though.

PS. Don't forget that you wasted at least two posts just saying less than favorable stuff about me. Throwing stones when you're sitting in a glass house isn't always the best solution.

PPS. Maradona was a Barcelona player for a period of time and parts of the discussion was whether he was a flop there or not, so it's not like it was off topic.
 
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