Arsenal Thread

gerd said:
JOvetic will become a massive player, will be one of the best in the world.
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Gerd, i apologize for sounding like a dick here but for someone who is always quick to complain about '' the english'' over hyping players, you do seem to be quick yourself in proclaiming certain players to be the next great thing.

I do hope Arsenal considerably strenghtens its squad for next season. The PL could use another serious contender and if i had to pick one team to provide that.. It would be the gunners.
 
Agreed, Jovetic is class. Not entirely sure how he'd fit into Arsenal's system though - a straight Giroud replacement up top or maybe wide left?

Think Arsenal have bigger problems that need addressing than up front, personally. Might well need 2 new full backs and at least one more defensively minded midfielder.
 
I haven't seen him at all really for years, since he had his big injury ive stopped following Serie A so I have no idea how he's developed as a player or even how much the lay off has affected him.

He didn't look like a CF prior to injury, I'd say wide forward or even the one playing behind the frontman suited him better.
 
Good win today, totally dominated, but let in a goal which is disappointing. Gervinho got two assists and a goal which is nice to see. Against the lower teams he can be very good to have around, he misses many but when he plays like this he has quite a few chances to get it right.

Lets hope he continues like this for the rest of the season.
 
I was bored, tbh ! I like watching matches where both teams get channces. Although in our situation a win is good and the goal difference is better. Chelsea`s shock lost was a surprise and we can hope for more hiccups. Rafa is bringing Chelsea down or is this Mourinho rumors of him coming back at hand, either way I want more media rounds plz :)
 
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This whole battle for 2-4 looks to be exciting til the end. Think the Gunners will be a lot more dangerous next season, especially if they'll find a true leader to take over from Vermaelen. They seem to start finding a new balance after the void that rvp left. Giroud is much more of a pure striker than Robin IMHO.
 
Very good win. Gervinho was excelent. He still stumbled on the ball at times, but he looked much more self assured.
And Cazorla is simply brilliant!
 
Arsenal have a really easy run in, I can definitely see them snatching 4th now. Some decent momentum too.

Hopefully it'll cheer up the Arsenal fans who've been a bit down all season. 4th place at the expense of, say, Chelsea would be a really big deal with FFP supposedly making a difference. Champions League football and the best finances in the division. Not too bad eh?
 
It can all go wrong and Chelsea have a team that can start performing at any moment, so I will not be counting my chickens until we get 4th for certain.

We also have Everton and Liverpool behind us as well.
 
I don't get the story with Nasri in the papers today, it isn't really a story and tries to imply Arsenal forced Nasri out for the money?

But it basically says that he wanted to leave Arsenal and when Arsenal were offered the 24mill they accepted it.

It's what everybody knew already, the papers just love to print stuff to stir :ROLL: .....and Nasri is a knob :DD
 
I think the English press is stirring the pot . The interview was translated from French says it all. I think Mancini's "punch in the face talk" was out of content ,frustrated by Nasri form of late.

Journo at their best!
 
BobbyBox said:
I don't get the story with Nasri in the papers today, it isn't really a story and tries to imply Arsenal forced Nasri out for the money?

But it basically says that he wanted to leave Arsenal and when Arsenal were offered the 24mill they accepted it.

It's what everybody knew already, the papers just love to print stuff to stir :ROLL: .....and Nasri is a knob :DD
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What could you expect? We won 4-1, so how else are the papers gonna try to put Arsenal down?

I sense a lot of negativity toward Arsenal, sports journalists and pundits alike are always creaming themselves and love to have a field day with Arsenal when something goes wrong.

Some people in the English media will have to eat their words (once again) if Arsenal finishes ahead of Spurs.

Oh, and yes, Nasri is a gimp.
 
That is a very paranoid post rentboy.
You act as if the English press is waiting for Spurs to end above Arsenal.
IMO the English press isn't negatively enclined towards Arsenal.

Nor are they particularly enclined favourable toward Spurs...

IMO the only team who gets too much negative press is Stoke City (and maybe Manchester City).
 
I think Rentboy is a bit paranoid, but I can see where he is coming from to an extent, but I think it comes from a different place.

I think people liked the way we used to play and admired it somewhat, but now we don't play that way and people are quick to highlight all of our failings.

I think pundits etc are a bit more harsh on their criticisms of Arsenal (Compared to other teams), only because they are disappointed by us, rather than having an agenda against us.

This is the way I like to see it anyway :))
 
I see it like their disappointed w/ the fact we don't make the EPL more interesting race for the title and made 3rd/4th a bigger race every season. A league's talking points are the fight to win the title or lose in relegation.
 
It's just that if you watch Match of the Day, the way Lineker and dinosaurs like Alan Hansen talk about Arsenal, it gives you that impression. There was that day when the pundits were all having a field day when Arsenal was in poor form and all of them wrote off Arsenal in the race for 4th, but Vincent Kompany, who was a guest that day, completely disagreed and said they had a very wrong idea of Arsenal, and that the quality in that side was still to show.

Also, on Sky Sports, something similar happens. I think only Gary Neville has been neutral.

Some (not all) newspapers and TV pundits do look biased toward Spurs, but I think this may have to do with the fact that there's a bigger English core there than at Arsenal.

I said it many times before how the English press big up their own players and some here will agree with me that they overhype their guys more often than not. One classic example that comes to mind is the way those TV pundits massacred Mertesacker, focusing on how he's too slow. Yes he's slow, but look at Gary bloody Cahill, for crying out loud! Cahill gets lots of praise from his compatriots at TV. But when push comes to shove, what we see is Mertesacker being Arsenal's best CB this season, being used in almost all Germany matches... while Cahill is being found out.

Sometimes I think the English media don't like Arsene Wenger too much, and it's almost as if they're eagerly waiting for the wheels to come off. There's a lot of anticipation for things going wrong at Arsenal, don't you think? If you frequently read papers in London, just compare some headlines about Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal and you'll get a hint.
 
Rentboy said:
It's just that if you watch Match of the Day, the way Lineker and dinosaurs like Alan Hansen talk about Arsenal, it gives you that impression. There was that day when the pundits were all having a field day when Arsenal was in poor form and all of them wrote off Arsenal in the race for 4th, but Vincent Kompany, who was a guest that day, completely disagreed and said they had a very wrong idea of Arsenal, and that the quality in that side was still to show.

Also, on Sky Sports, something similar happens. I think only Gary Neville has been neutral.

Some (not all) newspapers and TV pundits do look biased toward Spurs, but I think this may have to do with the fact that there's a bigger English core there than at Arsenal.

I said it many times before how the English press big up their own players and some here will agree with me that they overhype their guys more often than not. One classic example that comes to mind is the way those TV pundits massacred Mertesacker, focusing on how he's too slow. Yes he's slow, but look at Gary bloody Cahill, for crying out loud! Cahill gets lots of praise from his compatriots at TV. But when push comes to shove, what we see is Mertesacker being Arsenal's best CB this season, being used in almost all Germany matches... while Cahill is being found out.

Sometimes I think the English media don't like Arsene Wenger too much, and it's almost as if they're eagerly waiting for the wheels to come off. There's a lot of anticipation for things going wrong at Arsenal, don't you think? If you frequently read papers in London, just compare some headlines about Chelsea, Spurs and Arsenal and you'll get a hint.
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Yea i fully agree. i hate the english media. They make Rooney to be as good as Messi sometimes its fucking laughable
 
The English media, in my completely biased opinion, treats different teams very differently.

For Arsenal, any loss in the league is a crisis, and Wenger is past it. For Chelsea, it is normal and it's just a transition year, as they have to suffer through putting players like Hazard, Mata, Oscar and Luiz on the pitch. Despite Chelsea having spent 300m in a couple seasons and having a mental wage bill.

For United this season, it comes down to the 24m RVP. His official name in the media is 24m RVP. That's how they overcame Man City. I've not heard one peep about the fact that City actually spent more this summer than United, not to mention, of course, how much more their squad cost. The most articles I've seen about United this season have been about how poor their play is, and how it's not a vintage United side.

Liverpool are able to spend as much as anyone, and not move in the table and yet it's still a positive season, with real progress being shown. To be fair, LFC have more ex pros going into punditry than any other team, so I guess it's to be expected.
 
gerd said:
When you talk about Chelsea, you sound like a broken record beach...
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Please let me know the last time I mentioned Chelsea's media treatment.

Care to contribute at all? Share a little opinion? Or just the old snide remark then?

Do you believe Chelsea are performing in line with their squad depth? I do not. Their combined wage bill and transfer spend is probably double that of Arsenal in the past 3 seasons, and yet the two teams are barely seperated in the table.

To me, those are records worth discussing. Broken or not.
 
Talk about 'having to suffer through putting players like Mata, Hazard, Oscar'... To begin with, the first two were Wenger's targets. Oh how I wish Arsenal could "suffer" to have either of those in the team :D

The bit about the difference RvP, I can see where they're coming from, because Van Persie scored countless winner goals for United this season. But when their logic is saying Van Persie could have gone to either team, this is where I think everyone went bonkers. Mancini said in the beginning of the season that the team needed another striker, when he wanted Van Persie. To me that's just crazy, coming from the man who already had Aguero, Tevez, Dzeko, Balotelli...

The media makes Deadline Day become a big show. I admit I get manipulated myself when I follow the news in disbelief that Arsenal isn't moving in the market. But for the most part, we know that all of that is madness. Many unnecessary signings are made during that period. And when Arsene doesn't spend as the others, there is more negativity that contaminates us all.

There are also occasions when the papers put on the spotlight a clown like Alan Pardew back in 2006 when he said Arsenal being in the CL final wasn't an English triumph, with all those French and foreign players... but now it's all fine when he buys half of the Ligue 1 to his side and he gets away with it. Maybe it's endearing :P

I could go on and on. It may not be as bad as I make it sound, but I think there's a bit of an anti-Arsenal agenda going on at times.
 
Well to a degree you`re not off the mark. I remember hearing the commentators slating Rosicky vs Reading and how Alex Ox should be out there. The team needs pace, even though Arsenal were in the Reading`s half. He just kept waiting for Rosicky to give a loose ball to slate him, Where is Alex Ox at ? Maybe I`m getting paranoid now :) .
 
No I think Ox played quite well against Reading. It's been a tough second season for him but he showed glimpses of really good football lately.

Rosicky is a great player but he needs a run of games to click. Hopefully he will get it now cause we need him. as Wilshere isn't available and Diaby Diabied himself for 9 months...
 
Beach you've talked countless times about Chelsea having Hazard, Oscar, Mata...
I do think that Chelsea's team needs time to gel.
IMO (and i'm a Spurs fan), Chelsea is by far the most attractive team in the EPL, it's pure joy to watch Mata, Hazard and Oscar with all their position switches and their highly technical way of playing.
But where the team has to gel is the balance of it all. It seems that Chelsea need another fantastic CMF-DMF besides the already very good Ramirez. They could also use another good striker and a top class CB (Thiago Silva was pure joy to watch yesterday against Barcelona, what a player).
The error Chelsea made despite all the signings is that they held on too long to what are still perceived as key players: Terry, Lampard and before that Drogba. They had also bad luck with Essien, he is the player that should play alongside Ramirez, but due to injuries he seems past his peak. Mikel is not good enough IMO.

It's a mistake to think that a club can build a great team by splashing money around, all this takes time. The ideal manager for Chelsea would be Jurgen Klopp (when both Lampard and Terry are gone), he instills work ethic...

I'm sorry to talk about Chelsea in this thread, but i had to response to beach (no hard feelings by the way, i like to discuss with you, but sometimes you are very biased).
 
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