Arsenal Thread

Gutted for Arsenal, and their fans...lots of them here that i really like...
But if you look at it from a neutral point of view, you only lost 3 points...1-0 or 8-2: in the end nothing changes...On top of that you guys played a second eleven. So there is far less lost than meets the eye.

But it ios clear now that Arsenal needs to buy new, good players...who perhaps might be hesitant after this dodgy start..

About man utd, of course they were brilliant, but imo Ferguson made a big mistake (and i siad the same a couple of seasons ago when "my" Spurs team thumped Wigan 9-0). I'll explain myself: Man Utd only won 3 points too with 8-2. Perhaps Ferguson should have restrained his players a litle bit. When Man Utd will visit the Emirates later in the season, they will face an extremely motivated Arsenal team at a time when a loss might hurt more...so strategically this 8-2 win might not be the best thing that could have happened to Man utd. For their fans it must be wonderfull of course.
 
I think quite the opposite, a 8-2 thumping has put the fear of the Lord into Arsenal's players :LOL:

This was bound to happen anyway. You can't play at this level without proper cover and with that dodgy approach to defending. Sooner or later you get found out.

As for Arshavin, really, am I the only one who thinks he wasn't too bad yesterday?
He's been accused of lazyness and not tracking back and challenging, but he seemed to be doing just that before it was all lost and gone.
While I don't agree if he indulges in the act of the "genius who doesn't need to do the dirty work", I do put things in perspective: he's our oldest field player. He's not getting any younger, Arshavin. He's playing alongside kids 10 years younger than him, and these youths are not busting their guts, so he must think "why should I"? He does look resigned and I think it comes from that.
When you look at Traore's name in the starting lineup you know hard times are around the corner.
According to Arseblog, Traore was chewing gum and smiling after the whistle. I must admit I didn't see it, as I immediately turned off my TV. But I don't doubt it and that's the biggest example of the kind of players and attitude we must sweep out of the club.

Arseblog also says something that I completely agree: in an almost perverse way, getting battered like that feels almost necessary, a big kick up the arse is what AW and the board need to start the revolution.
 
exactly i mean Hidding being a coach more known for his short term national teams job - also Chelsea short term fix..but imho, not every coach would want to take this current team to work with , not having time to bring own players and make it stronger...it only take a coach who is willing to go and risk this..

Maybe Rafa Benitez would be a also a good replacement. just saying.

he is totaly oposite to wenger style of managing, but he was working with limited funds with success, limited in terms he had to sell before buying.

he would attract players as well.. couse only Wenger won more in his 6 years with club than any other foreign coach in Premier League as far as i know.
 
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Yup, he meant Hiddink (and short-term fix) and while yes it'd be great to bring in someone who has won stuff before, it's not always possible.

Someone like David Moyes is an even better example than Owen Coyle because although I really like the latter, the former has proven what Coyle has for a decade now! Not one or two seasons which is still risky... He hasn't won anything but was he supposed to with Everton? No, if anything he's done better than 99% would've with the limited resources and consistently finishing 5-8. Even 4th once.

And he IS the type who wouldn't take shit from anyone or any players and is tough and gets them to give 110% and yah at this point, I do think he would do better than Wenger probably.

so he's not the ideal replacement if you want a guy who's won it all but who is that guy anyway? Mourinho ? And would he come?

EDIT: After all Wenger hadn't exactly won a lot before he came to Arsenal either and to many was a relative unknown and yet he went on to revolutionize the club and achieve much success. There's no reason why someone with far more experience at EPL level like Moyes (which Wenger didn't have) wouldn't do the same.

But yeah I agree, all this is way premature at this point anyway. I hope and think Wenger will stay and just get his head right and start making better decisions because recently, many of his have been dubious and massively faulty/costly.
 
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Moyes is great tip, exactly what i think...besides he is in the league for years now, knows things...

but that means nothing, sice Wenger also was succesfull without even being in the league.. so that imo does not matter..

what matters is to have a concept and grow, Arsenal are not growing..
 
i do think arsene is getting a bit too much, i understand the game yesterday was horrific but the players itself didn't perform and for me, its not all his fault, i understand he can take the blame for not bringing in replacements/more faces but are the board actually backing him and giving him the funds he wants/needs?
what he's done for arsenal in the past century and a half is nothing short of amazing, he put use on the map, won titles, champions league final. don't write wenger off yet
 
So, we're offloading Traore, which is excellent news, but... is there gonna be a new LB?
Newcastle are signing that great young Italian fullback for 5 million. http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...le-agree-deal-Inter-Milans-Davide-Santon.html

People at Arsenal are singing to that old tune about "working hard on transfers right now". Where is that hard work, Mr. Gazidis?? Wenger?? Why do we have more than 60million sitting in the bank and just watch opposition snapping up great value signings that we need?

We missed out on Jose Enrique and now Santon, with whom Newcastle replaced the latter. Well, it's fair to say that Arsenal is a more attractive side than Newcastle. Why didn't we put in a bid for an obvious need? WTF is happening at Arsenal :RANT: FFS!!! I sound like Internet Joe from Arseblog's podcast, I kid you not.
 
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Yup, he meant Hiddink (and short-term fix) and while yes it'd be great to bring in someone who has won stuff before, it's not always possible.

Someone like David Moyes is an even better example than Owen Coyle because although I really like the latter, the former has proven what Coyle has for a decade now! Not one or two seasons which is still risky... He hasn't won anything but was he supposed to with Everton? No, if anything he's done better than 99% would've with the limited resources and consistently finishing 5-8. Even 4th once.

And he IS the type who wouldn't take shit from anyone or any players and is tough and gets them to give 110% and yah at this point, I do think he would do better than Wenger probably.

so he's not the ideal replacement if you want a guy who's won it all but who is that guy anyway? Mourinho ? And would he come?

EDIT: After all Wenger hadn't exactly won a lot before he came to Arsenal either, and yet he went on to revolutionize the club and achieve much success.
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I was just saying, because my thoughts are that Wenger will get sacked when we are at our lowest ebb. Getting in a manager that has no experience playing in the big competitions etc I think will on the whole not really help us get back to where we want to be. It might stabalise us though.

I also think that we will not be able to attract a big manager either.

My point is if we get rid of Wenger, I don't think it will be good for the club.

I just wish Wenger would get some bloody players in, that is all it will take and then we can keep Wenger and build properly, I wish he wasn't so stubborn it is going to be his/and our downfall if he is not careful.

Wenger hadn't won much and with big teams when we got him, but we were lucky and it clicked. that rarely happens, I can just see it spiralling down.

I think Wenger can turn all of this around, but he needs to get back to reality and hopefully this result has done that? but it might be too late.
 
aitk3n said:
i do think arsene is getting a bit too much, i understand the game yesterday was horrific but the players itself didn't perform and for me, its not all his fault, i understand he can take the blame for not bringing in replacements/more faces but are the board actually backing him and giving him the funds he wants/needs?
what he's done for arsenal in the past century and a half is nothing short of amazing, he put use on the map, won titles, champions league final. don't write wenger off yet
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his last good Arsenal was the one who lost with Barca in that final...since then he tried to build but more younger team, in this he failed very much, becouse Arsenal needed to build on that final and attract new players, keep Henry if possible..

but as mentioned, The new stadium might have been the reason for Arsenal not to spend on top players and promote teens or buy only players who were avileable at the time for cheaper...

but what he did so far is not good, since even with the players missing at the United game, his squad looks without depth and not experienced enough to challenge for europe, not the title...

+ his style of being a quiet manager won´t be good for the new young players who i expect to be lost again in next match..

i dont want to sound pesimistic, but i think Arsenal need to act, that is if the board also don´t think 4 place is the new 1st...
 
Let's wait three more games before making any decisions.

This match came at a terrible time, with terrible suspensions and injuries. Things will look a lot rosier shortly.

Worth noting that Arsenal couldn't rely on Fabregas to play last year, and Nasri was only good for a few months - yet they were still pretty damn good.

It was a perfect storm of bad conditions, and will likely never be repeated.

At the same time, it could be a good thing for Arsenal if it forces Wenger to spend. I'm not sure Cahill is the answer, but someone like that even if it's as cover would be better than what they've got.
 
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Let's wait three more games before making any decisions.

This match came at a terrible time, with terrible suspensions and injuries. Things will look a lot rosier shortly.

Worth noting that Arsenal couldn't rely on Fabregas to play last year, and Nasri was only good for a few months - yet they were still pretty damn good.

It was a perfect storm of bad conditions, and will likely never be repeated.

At the same time, it could be a good thing for Arsenal if it forces Wenger to spend. I'm not sure Cahill is the answer, but someone like that even if it's as cover would be better than what they've got.
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Yep this is how I feel.

Our success rate with Nasri was something like 40% without him 60% or something like that.

Fab was injured quite a bit in the last couple of seasons aswell.

Now Wenger is getting saddled with sitting down and not enough passion. I have seen him on the whole being passionate and out of his seat when he needs to be, even being criticised because of it and also having a 3 match ban in europe....but I guess you get labelled with everything when things aren't going right.

Wenger does have alot to answer for, but the set of circumstances at the beginning of this season and with the fixtures hasn't been kind to us.

We will be getting players back over the next few games, lets see how we get on.
 
Just visited L'Equipe's website. My favourite French team Lille seemed to have transferred Park Chu Young and were beaten to it at the last minute by ...Arsenal. i don't know if this is merely a rumour, but L' Equipe seemed very positive on this point...

There was also a rumour that Arsenal are after Alex from Chelsea...
 
can´t see Alex move there giving the fact Chelsea rejected offers from Bayern and Inter Milan i think..

about Benayoun..realy the type of player they don´t need..
 
In L' Equipe the rumour was that Chelsea would swap Benayoun for Modric...so that would mean that Benayoun would end up with Spurs. Good player, but i don't see what he would add to both Arsenal and Spurs...panic all over North London it seems.
 
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André Santos is no World Cup winner, nor worth 7m IMO. From what I saw of him in Copa America, I'm not impressed and his behaviour off the pitch at Fener was questioned as well. Not too sure is what we need, but God knows we need someone at Left Back!
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Ironically, could have done worse than stick Eboue there really...
 
I think Andre Santos is good signing if its true !!
I hope Benayoun will not sign!! I dont like him mainly what he did to my nat. team!!
 
looks like 2 buys 28 n 26 year old Wenger has finally changed the script. I would like 4 player introduction on 31st . Well 5 maybe I`m sure we cant flog Alumina selling him will be like getting a new player ,
 
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But what is happening to Bendtner Wenger is certain that he leaves!! and there were report that we could swap Arteta+cash for Bendtner!!i woudnt mind that!!
 
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Arteta would be good.

I like Benayoun aswell, but I don't think we need him now.

Be cool if we could hijack Parker from Spurs aswell :DD
 
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