What PC and how much??

[Dr Force]

Hi

What spec PC will I need to play PES 2010 on and how much am I looking at?

I would like to play it on my plasma and be able to patch everything, but have no clue about graphics cards, memory, etc.

recommendations appreciated (PC for high quality games only)

 

[Daftman]

If your seriously thinking of uprading then the best bet would be to wait a few weeks and see the power of the new ati 58xx series and then watch prices for current gen cards go down even more than they are now (u can get 4870's and nvidia gtx260's for around £100 now ,which is a right fucking bargain!)

 

[Dr Force]

I've decided to go down the whole self build route, just need to do a bit of research and need some help where to start.

Gonna be fun this

 

[Daftman]

Hehehe good luck with that man,it's always more fun (and generally cheaper) to self build

http://www.overclockers.co.uk/ is where i bbuy most of my parts,they are not the cheapest around but service is fantastic and they have a great forum full of nerds () who will help with anything

 

[Andy]

Hi doc, you could start with a bundle like this one that i have got in mine and it is absolutely awesome for gaming and a decent price....http://www.maplin.co.uk/Module.aspx?moduleno=229209

EDIT- Preferably you would need another 2gb of ddr2 ram (£20) to go with it,and another good thing if you got the GTX260 like Daftman said i think that card is supported for Hybrid sli tech on the motherboard.and you get nvidia physX tech to further enhance graphics.

 

[mdcykkk9]

you dont need to spend too much ... . An amd x2 procesor (from 50 euros ... ) with a micro atx form factor motherboard (50 euros) 4 Gb ram ( 50 euros) and a nice small box with 500 watt power supply (80 +50 euros ) you can built a nice home theater pc .with any new video card above 100 euros you can play pes in full hd resolution . if your plasma don't support full hd uou can do your job with cheaper video card . with 400 euros you can built a very nice and dissent gaming pc now days

 

[Dr Force]

Hi guys

The brilliant Razor from AV Forums has given me the heads up.

I decided I want it for high end games not just PES. I have a 1080p PJ and a plasma so resolution needs to be good, anyway here is his superb list of goodies:-


Dr Force - Good to hear you are looking at going the pc route for gaming.

You have two routes to take. One is the i7 1366 route and the other is the i5 1156 route. Both will give you what you need and provide an excellent gaming setup.

The main difference between the two routes is that the 1366 route will give you more options for sli/xfire cards, Hyper threading on i7 (i5 has no HT), 1366 has tri channel memory (i5 has dual channel), options for upgrading to i9 (6 core cpus's) and slightly better overclocking ceiling. The difference in price between a 1156 and 1366 rig is about £100.

As for silent running this is easy with a few choice parts and the right case.

Here is what I would recommend for a silent setup.

Case - Silverstone LC17,13E,20 - £70-90 (LC17)
Fan - Noctua 92mm x1 - £14
Fan - Noctua 80mm x2 - £42
Fan - Silent x 15mm x80mm Slimline - £12
Cpu Cooler - NH-U9B - £42

Total - £180-200

Now for the main hardware minus the gpu.

1156 i5

Mobo - Asus P7P55D - £115
Memory - Corsair Dominator XMS3 4GB (2x2GB) DDR3 1600C9D Twin3X - £73
HDD - Samsung Spin point F1 1Gb - £55

Total - £243

1366 i7

Mobo Asus PT6 Deluxe V2 or D - £200
Memory - OCZ Blade Series 6GB (3x2GB) DDR3 PC3-16000 - £103
HDD - Samsung Spin point F1 1Gb - £55

Total - £358

Optional HDDs

Samsung Spin point F2 1.5Gb - £70
Western Digital Green 1.5Gb - £90

Now for the gpu. New cards will be hitting the streets next week so I would wait to see what these bring. Current cards are more than powerful enough but these next gen cards will be faster and have the all new DX11 features. Current gen cards are only DX10. If you were going to buy a current gen card the prices are very low and performance is high.

You have two routes both give great performance but offer slightly different things.

Nvidia has physx and 3d vision
ATI has on-board audio and can pass multi channel pcm from Blurays.

Performance wise these following cards are equal to each other.

260gtx = 4870
275gtx = 4890
285gtx = Highly Overclocked 4890

295gtx = 4870X2 <- these cards are dual gpu and are at the top of the graphics card tree.

A 4890/275gtx will give you all you want at your current res and at 1080p. It wont how ever be able to max out crysis but it will play it at near the top end settings. It will however play all other games maxed out with ease. Which ever card you go for make sure it has a silent cooler. This is very important if you want a silent rig. The stock ATI cooler is awful and can be compared to a leaf blower. This is easy to get round by looking at an ATI HIS ICEQ4 or Saphire Vapor card.

Prices for current gen cards are -

4870 - £100-120
260gtx - £120-140

4890 - £130-150
275gtx - £150-170

285gtx - £200-230

4870X2 - Hard to find now as new cards out this week
295gtx - £330-360

Operating system - Win7 is around is also around the corner and vista is currently for sale with a free upgrade to Win7. Vista 64bit will set you back approx - £90 for an OEM version.

Soundcard & PSU - We can pick these once you decided on which system you want to go for.

Lastly you will need a dvd writer or a bluray drive the choice is your which one you want. A dvd writer will cost you about £20 and a bluray player will set you back £60-80. A bluray burner will cost about £100 more.


So I just need to start choosing, I think I'll also wait for the DX11 gpu to make sure I am right upto date

 

[Daftman]

Nice man gotta love a self built rig, (if u have the cash to do it),some top advice there too
Im gonna do a complete rebuild next spring when prices are a bit lower, (especailly on Solid State HD's they are crazily overpricedd right now).

 

[Dr Force]

Nice man gotta love a self built rig, (if u have the cash to do it),some top advice there too
Im gonna do a complete rebuild next spring when prices are a bit lower, (especailly on Solid State HD's they are crazily overpricedd right now).

Hi D

Currently decided on the ATI 5870 (new DX11) but it is £300 at the moment lol

 

[Zakov]

IMO Doc, you don't need to go down down the i7 route yet if you want to save money(but its not a bad idea, its nice to have an i7 anyway).

An Intel Quad/decent motherboard/Performance DDR2 ram+ an Nvidia GTX260 can still max out games out there in 1920x1080(1080i resolution).

And about ATI, I've got another PC in my household(brother's) with an ATI 4870 and I've come across a lot of issues(usually drivers related) in certain games. Notably, NFS Shift.(http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?catid=279&threadid=118976)

My main setup(nvidia GTX 260) hasn't given me any problems whatsoever with any games.

Mind you a majority of the games out there haven't made use of the extra cores on quad core processors, so you can still go Dual Core if you want to save on the CPU and add more money to your graphics card/or whatever.

Especially for PES, its more than enough.

Just my two cents.

 

[bulwa-boy]

I'll tell you my specs because PES runs on it in full details on 1680x1050 resolution without any lags at all.

CPU: INTEL Dual Core 2,6
GRAPHIC CARD: GIGABYTE ATI 4850HD with 512 mb memory and a Zelmer fan
RAM: Kingsotne 2x 1GB DDR2
POWER: Chieftec 450W
MOTHERBOARD: GIGABYTE EP45-UD3LR

like I told PES runs like magic.

 

[Dr Force]

IMO Doc, you don't need to go down down the i7 route yet if you want to save money(but its not a bad idea, its nice to have an i7 anyway).

An Intel Quad/decent motherboard/Performance DDR2 ram+ an Nvidia GTX260 can still max out games out there in 1920x1080(1080i resolution).

And about ATI, I've got another PC in my household(brother's) with an ATI 4870 and I've come across a lot of issues(usually drivers related) in certain games. Notably, NFS Shift.(http://forums.amd.com/game/messageview.cfm?catid=279&threadid=118976)

My main setup(nvidia GTX 260) hasn't given me any problems whatsoever with any games.

Mind you a majority of the games out there haven't made use of the extra cores on quad core processors, so you can still go Dual Core if you want to save on the CPU and add more money to your graphics card/or whatever.

Especially for PES, its more than enough.

Just my two cents.

Thanks Zakov

I may just wait for the reviews on the NVIDIA DX11 cards to see which is the better all round performer. I want to go the i7 route as it offers a bit more flexibility>

I'd rather get the best i can now for the extra exspense and wait for the better games to move into quad core rather than fit dual core and wait for it to be out of date quicker.

PES will easily run but I want to max out Operation Flashpoint, ARMA2, Crysis, COD etc, etc so i need some top gear now

 

[Dr Force]

I'll tell you my specs because PES runs on it in full details on 1680x1050 resolution without any lags at all.

CPU: INTEL Dual Core 2,6
GRAPHIC CARD: GIGABYTE ATI 4850HD with 512 mb memory and a Zelmer fan
RAM: Kingsotne 2x 1GB DDR2
POWER: Chieftec 450W
MOTHERBOARD: GIGABYTE EP45-UD3LR

like I told PES runs like magic.

Hi Bulwa

looking forward to playing you online in PES mate....have a look at Puncho's patch in the editing forum, he has made some nice nets with stripes and colours on the way

 

[Lami]

I have a question for you guys, Since PS3 is supposed to be a monster of a machine, how does it compare to high end gaming pcs?

People keep mentioning Crysis, can't a PS3 handle it?

 

[backleft]

I have a question for you guys, Since PS3 is supposed to be a monster of a machine, how does it compare to high end gaming pcs?

People keep mentioning Crysis, can't a PS3 handle it?

first of all crisis hasn't released for ps3 or any consle and it's very strong in graphics ...
2-ps3 is very strong but about pes we all recommend pc version since they use the same engine we have a lot space to change the game and the game after good editing is 400% deff whice we can't afford in consles .....

 

[Hawke]

I have a question for you guys, Since PS3 is supposed to be a monster of a machine, how does it compare to high end gaming pcs?

People keep mentioning Crysis, can't a PS3 handle it?

PS3 graphics are basically a GeForce 7800 GT with RSX, which back in 2006 when the console was released was pretty much the business....BUT compared to the graphics cards that are available today ..not so terrific , don't get me wrong it's still a shit hot console as is the 360, but i prefer a decent PC & graphics card , but that's just my humble opinion.

Sony staff were quoted in PlayStation Magazine saying that the "RSX shares a lot of inner workings with NVIDIA 7800 which is based on G70 architecture. Since the G70 is capable of carrying out 136 shader operations per clock cycle, the RSX was expected to feature the same number of parallel pixel and vertex shader pipelines as the G70, which contains 24 pixel and 8 vertex pipelines.

NVIDIA CEO Jen-Hsun Huang stated during Sony's pre-show press conference at E3 2005 that the RSX would be more powerful than two GeForce 6800 Ultra video cards combined.(Taken From TechSpot)

 

[Primepeace]

hawke would a dual core 5200 9800gt 2 gigram considered high end?

and how do you compare this to the console?

 

[Dr Force]

This is what the new cards can offer. To think that Crysis was run on DX9/DX10, these new cards available now, can produce even better results

http://vimeo.com/6122205

New features in DX11

So what are these new features, though? One of the biggest and most relevant to today's PC is the improved multi-threading support.

Originally, Direct3D was focused on performing on a single-core CPU, making the multi-threading support fairly limited. DX11, though, has been designed to more effectively drive the graphics card, using a system with a multi-core CPU at its heart. One of the ways it does this is by supporting multiple rendering contexts.

The main computational work occurs in the primary immediate context. This dictates the timeline for work being submitted to the GPU; running alongside this are the new optional deferred contexts. These are developer-created and enables work associated with each deferred context to be carried out on a separate thread/core, then submitted to the GPU once it's ready for a new task. This is one of those backwards compatible features and so will benefit existing hardware, and should finally make quad-core CPUs more desirable for gamers beyond the willy-waving.

There's also a big change in the render pipeline, too, adding in three new stages: the hull shader, tessellator and domain shader. Listening to developers Microsoft has identified character models and animation as a key battleground in the graphics front.

Today's hugely dense polygon meshes are very memory intensive and the tessellation scheme should reduce this by allowing the work to be done in a single pass, meaning there doesn't need to be any memory in between the stages. According to Kevin Gee it should: "produce richer animations for less memory and less memory bandwidth."

Another boon for the memory consumption of today's games is the improvements in texture compression. The DX11 API gives developers two new compression formats to help with high-quality real-time rendering without sacrificing performance.

Basically, the shading and detail are much improved with the ability to produce round objects as round objects.

 

[Primepeace]

im not changing my xp for dx11, even if they pay me

 

[Zakov]

Thanks Zakov

I may just wait for the reviews on the NVIDIA DX11 cards to see which is the better all round performer. I want to go the i7 route as it offers a bit more flexibility>

I'd rather get the best i can now for the extra exspense and wait for the better games to move into quad core rather than fit dual core and wait for it to be out of date quicker.

PES will easily run but I want to max out Operation Flashpoint, ARMA2, Crysis, COD etc, etc so i need some top gear now

To my knowledge nvidia haven't announced their DirectX 11 line-up, word out is that they're planning on releasing it next year. ATI definitely got the go-ahead in that terms. But I don't see how buying a Directx11 card in the current time is advantageous, since it takes a while before games are fully incorporated the new technology(dx11) so its a bit of dilemma for people looking to buy new cards. But like I said its good to future proof yer PC, if you can afford it.

I understand you wanting to max out games, but here's where it gets a bit tricky. In graphics card benchmarks I've seen, they use very high resolutions 2650x1600 and the games average 60-80FPS.

Here's what you need to know, does your display(output monitor) support the higher resolution? In my case, I can only get to 1920x1080(1080p).

So I would assume I'll get more FPS on that resolution as it is lower.
And that is more than enough, since games will play a maximum 60 FPS(if you turn v-sync on to prevent screen tearing).

So its always better to check if you're going to be overspending or not, and if you're okay with it. Since buying a card just for the sake of jumping from 75FPS to 86FPS is meaningless in most cases.

I agree about you getting the i7 tho.
Just make sure you get a good power supply to accommodate this monster you're building.

http://extreme.outervision.com/psucalculatorlite.jsp


Sorry if I babbled a bit too much. cheers.

 

[mjsmith2k]

You're probably best getting a mid-range card at the moment Dr Force, rather than forking out hundreds on a DX10.1 card. PES will run on high on a decent mid-range card anyways and most games will run very well, including Crysis. I'd hold out for the big spend once the DX11 cards hit.

 

[Primepeace]

mjsmith2k whats your pc ?

 

[bsmaff]

Nvidia are not releasing a DX11 card at the moment, their next range of cards are DX10.1.
DX11 will be worthless anyway as like DX10 there will not be any games using the technology, as unfortunetly because the consoles are only DX9 it is very unlikely that games will ever be DX11 until the next gen consoles are released in a few years.

As for looking at the reviews for the 5870 I dont think the card is worth the extra £200 at all as I was going to upgrade my 4870 for one.
I would get either the 4870 or the GTX 260 depending on your preference on NVidia or ATI cards.
The 4870 is slightly better in benchmarks but I personally cant stand the really crappy control panel which is a bitch when I hook it upto my TV, but the Nvidia one is really nice to use and much better at customizing settings.

i7 is defenetly the way forward though now since DDR3 has come down in price.
Apart from that he recommended machine to you is very good.
The only difference is dont get a Samsung F1 HD get the F3. (Do not get the F2 under an circumstance as the power saving options slow the drive down)

 

[mjsmith2k]

Celeron D 2x3.80ghz
Ati Radeon 4650
2GB RAM
450W Corsair PSU

On high on my 17" maxed out (1280x1024) - and this PC is 2 years old.

I'm going to do a build before Xmas, and am looking to spend around the £500 mark for the base unit, focusing mainly on the motherboard, processor, PSU, RAM and case. I'll then get a decent GPU card for around the £120/130 mark (ATI GTX260), but I'll hold out for a big spend until the DX11 cards are available. The main reason I'm upgrading is to game on my 32" HDTV and to future proof myself for the next few years to play Crysis 2, Left 4 Dead 2, Arma2, rFactor 2 and future PES games.

 

[Dr Force]

Celeron D 2x3.80ghz
Ati Radeon 4650
2GB RAM
450W Corsair PSU

On high on my 17" maxed out (1280x1024) - and this PC is 2 years old.

I'm going to do a build before Xmas, and am looking to spend around the £500 mark for the base unit, focusing mainly on the motherboard, processor, PSU, RAM and case. I'll then get a decent GPU card for around the £120/130 mark (ATI GTX260), but I'll hold out for a big spend until the DX11 cards are available. The main reason I'm upgrading is to game on my 32" HDTV and to future proof myself for the next few years to play Crysis 2, Left 4 Dead 2, Arma2, rFactor 2 and future PES games.

Hi MJ

The DX11 cards are out now but they are the ATI 500 series so you can do it now if you wanted.

I'm the same as you but this is my first foray into PC gaming and i like the idea of the flexibilities it brings. If you think about the power of consoles and the fact they will not be replaced for another 4/5 years, we will have some stella titles that a console will never do justice.

So PES is a one I want to enjoy on PC but its only a small proportion of what i want to take advantage of.

 

[Primepeace]

mjsmith2k nice specs for a two year old system, well my specs are 1 eyar old with a dual core 5200 9800gt 2gigram, i have a console xbox 360, but i cant stand pes on xbox 360 because when i come back and play it on the pc on 1280 x 1024 the detail is literally one step ahead, i think consoles have really fallen back this time, and i consider my system to be mid range

 

[mjsmith2k]

Hi MJ

The DX11 cards are out now but they are the ATI 500 series so you can do it now if you wanted.

I'm the same as you but this is my first foray into PC gaming and i like the idea of the flexibilities it brings. If you think about the power of consoles and the fact they will not be replaced for another 4/5 years, we will have some stella titles that a console will never do justice.

So PES is a one I want to enjoy on PC but its only a small proportion of what i want to take advantage of.

I prefer PC gaming to console gaming if I'm honest. The only reason I'm sticking with the PS3 is for the exclusives (Uncharted, GT5) and next-gen sports games such as FIFA that aren't available on the PC. Also, I like having a portable bluray player, and number of my friends own a PS3 so I can keep in touch. IMO PCs are always going to be better than consoles. Not only do games look better on PCs, as it's easier to optimise the game to get the best out of your system, but generally the components used are of a higher quality than consoles and you can get better performance from a PC. Consoles have to compromise a lot on their components in order to be affordable to manufacture en masse. Also, online gaming is a lot more stable on the PC, you can set up direct IP gaming (with the help of a certain program) and generally game servers are a lot better and allow for a huge number of people at once (with little to no lag at all - e.g. PES6).

YouTube - ARMA 2 online 90 player Berzerk game mixed with mods

Above all else though, you can mod the game to suit you. Not only does PES benefit hugely from this but check out the mods for Arma2 and rFactor 1 - these mods extend the game no end.

YouTube - Armed Assault - World War 2 Firefight.

The only downside with PC gaming is the price tag that comes with upgrading your hardware to play the latest games, and consoles are the more affordable option for most people. However, if you buy decent decent hardware now you'll likely get a good 2-3 years before you need to look at upgrading and even then it will only require a small upgrade such as the GPU.

BTW, have you seen the screenshots of what DX11 is capable of?
http://forums.vr-zone.com/news-around-the-web/353789-some-dx11-screenshots.html

 

[mjsmith2k]

mjsmith2k nice specs for a two year old system, well my specs are 1 eyar old with a dual core 5200 9800gt 2gigram, i have a console xbox 360, but i cant stand pes on xbox 360 because when i come back and play it on the pc on 1280 x 1024 the detail is literally one step ahead, i think consoles have really fallen back this time, and i consider my system to be mid range

Thanks, you too.

Do you find PES runs a lot smoother on the PC? I've played both WE 2009 and PES 2009 on the PS3 and it still feels a little sludgy and stiff, but on the PC it's smooth as butter. I've heard the 360 is a little smoother. Of course the animations have a lot to do with it, but it just feels like the ports on the console are struggling. There is also a clear difference in the graphics of the console demo and the PC version and that's at 1080i on the PS3.

 

[Zakov]

Screenshots from the links you posted are just a gimmick mj. If you scroll down the comments, there's a pic posted of how DX10 would be like and it looked equally impressive.

My personal opinion of DX11, better wait until there's a decent enough games announced that will fully support DX11. What use will it be if you have the high-end hardware, but haven't got the software to make use of it.

Its better just to wait and see.

Even PES2010 is still on DX9.

 

[Hawke]

hawke would a dual core 5200 9800gt 2 gigram considered high end?

and how do you compare this to the console?

I think peoples interpretation of "high end" varies mate, the system you posted above is in my opinion a nice PC... maybe add another gig of ram , as for console comparison , well i would prefer that PC....but like i said that's just my opinion.