What if: Clubs could only transfer players from their home country?

Neoexodus

Neoexodus

SLB Juve Barça Arsenal
8 November 2007
Portugal
Well i was going across the Arsenal thread and i remembered the fact that Wenger built a team with barely no English players in it, next i saw Manchester and i remembered that over 60/70% of their squad is built with "money" by that i mean they bought their first team.
These two points created a question mark in my head, what if clubs could only buy players from their home country?
In a hypothetical situation, if that rule would ever be applied to football clubs, would a team like Manchester or Arsenal or even a league like the Premier League be what it is today? Would they find a solution? Would teams start to improve their academies and giving their youth more playing time? Do you think a measure like this would make the game better for every1 or worse?
Lemme know what you think about this. :))
 
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I think they should introduce a system where we still have 2 transfer windows but during the winter one, you can only buy players from your own country. You cant just suddenly stop all imports so the idea above could make a start to fix the problem.
 
I've said for a while, I think teams should only be allowed to buy from their own country, or at most have two foreign players in their squad or something.

It would certainly improve home-grown players and give more chances to youth players. England are suffering because our teams generally don't give youth much of a chance and prefer to buy players from abroad instead.
 
Well the United academy is already quite good, it produces a lot of players, only a few go to make the grade to play at the highest level. If you go through the rest of the league there are loads of players at loads of teams that have come through our system but not made it into our team. Also you're right, they have bought a lot of new players but a lot are actually English (Ferdinand, Rooney, Carrick, Hargreaves) plus the homegrown players from our youth system like O'Shea, Fletcher, Giggs, Scholes, Evans, Neville, Brown and Welbeck who are all or will be first team players.

What about Barcelona? No Messi, Eto'o or Henry, no Keita, Hleb, Dani Alves, Marquez, Slyvinho, Gudjohnsen, Yaya, Abidal or Milito. Things wouldnt look great there. And the situation would be much the same at Real, at AC Milan and almost anywhere really. You can't single out United and Arsenal.

Look at the Shakhtar team that just won the UEFA Cup. Their lineup had, 5 Brazilians, a Romanian, a Croat and a Pole. Only 3 from Ukraine. The Russian and Ukranian leagues are full of South American imports.

Inter have a grand total of 1 player in their squad that's come from the youth system, Davide Santon. All the rest were bought in.

If that rule was bought in and no foreign players were allowed, then there would hardly be a single league in Europe that wasn't badly affected.
 
Arsenal and Manchester were only the reason why i started this discussion not the focus of it, they aren't the only ones in the world to abuse of this situations.
About this actually happening i said "In a hypothetical situation" which means in an imaginary possibility, so i never said this should happen, just to make it clear.
But the question is if this would (it will never and shouldnt be) accepted, would football be better?
Like would England be abble to play their strong 4-4-2 with the force and ambition of the "old days"? or Italy continuing the tradition of the Catennaccio in their national team? To globalize things up, would nationals teams form their own style again since all their players were in the same league and knew each others styles?
 
They should get rid of this stupid "90 minute" rule for academies here, then the clubs could make even more use out of their own academies and not have to scout abroad for young talent.
 
what will happen? the complete english football crash to nowhere like the nationalteam.

and the soutamerican leagues will get much more class :)
 
and the gaps within the leagues would widen even more...big teams buy the talent, small teams keep the rest.

useless idea. everybody should be free to choose their workplace - that includes transfers into foreign countries...
 
oNeberlin said:
what will happen? the complete english football crash to nowhere like the nationalteam.

and the soutamerican leagues will get much more class :)
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Dont turn it into a thread attacking England, we're no worse than most other countries.

Anyway, last time we played you, we won! :BOP:
 
OPM said:
and the gaps within the leagues would widen even more...big teams buy the talent, small teams keep the rest.

useless idea. everybody should be free to choose their workplace - that includes transfers into foreign countries...
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Hmm, excuse me ain't that what is happening nowadays? or are you seeing football from another side that i don't see here in Portuga?
What happened to our clubs? Sporting is the best example of this, they keep selling their young talents to Manchester and other big teams, and what do they have? they have to buy other ones.
With that said your point is the one that is useless, what you said its what happens nowadays, but now its worst, since teams now keep buying the best players but from foreign countries like Brazil and Argentina which are now struggling to keep their names up there since all their talents are leaving, and few of them stay.
Even tough this is just speculation i think every1 would benefit from this, teams, leagues, national teams and fans would be a lot happier in the end.
 
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If clubs could only buy players from their own country, then players from Africa, Asia, the Americas, Australia etc. would never get a chance to play for the biggest clubs in the world in the best tournaments in the world.

This would be unbelievably bad for football and is a pretty racist idea.

and on England and the "old days"; lets not get carried away with that idea, England have only ever won one trophy, and that was over 40 years ago, foreigners in English football aren't to blame for the English national team not winning anything since.
 
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Lemme just ask you something: why are they the best tournaments in the world? or the biggest clubs in the world?
Think about it and answer me and then i will reply to your post.
 
Wouldn't be a good idea and be quite silly, I think a salary/transfer cap would be the solution, also UEFA are the main reason theres a top 4, they fund the top teams that extra so that no one can keep up.
 
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Lemme just ask you something: why are they the best tournaments in the world? or the biggest clubs in the world?
Think about it and answer me and then i will reply to your post.
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for the same reason that you support a club that isn't from your home country.
 
That wasn't the right answer, thats because they have history. Other teams with players from other countries that made those clubs what they are today. For example, Eusebio, he wasn't born in Portugal but he was from one of our colonies yet he was part of a team that made Benfica famous. Another example, is Maradona, who actually knew Napoli before he went there? barely no1, except for the football watchers of the Calcio. There are tons of other teams that made their name through other countries players and teams or even coaches. Competitions are just the result of their success in this process.
So in the end, it all comes down to teams buying key players from another country to obtain good results, thats what as been happening through footballs history and thats what is happening now.
And you guys should read the first post before continueing replying like this.
This ain't a proposal for UEFA to accept! This is just speculation, if this was in the constitution of professional football since the beginning!
If this rule was accepted yers ago would football be what it is today, would leagues like the premier league and serie have such a big difference to leagues like the Portuguese or the Dutch league, or football have evolved as far as it today? thats the point of the thread, now starting it now, that would be just plain dumb. Nothing can be done now, except minor adjustments to the rules that already exist.
 
UJSupanova said:
for the same reason that you support a club that isn't from your home country.
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I think you should stop with your "Im a superior fan cause im from Liverpool" BS. It doesn't matter where the person is from if he has a connection with a club who are you to say it isn't right? I wonder if you would support Liverpool if Everton were the more succesfull side when you were growing up?
 
UJSupanova said:
If clubs could only buy players from their own country, then players from Africa, Asia, the Americas, Australia etc. would never get a chance to play for the biggest clubs in the world in the best tournaments in the world.
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Joke right?
Cause I laughed

There is no solution, the big clubs will keep gettin bigger and they are the voice over the federations, so there is nothing we can do about it, that is the capitalism world, cartels.
 
It would certainly improve home-grown players and give more chances to youth players. England are suffering because our teams generally don't give youth much of a chance and prefer to buy players from abroad instead.
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Nonsense, England have consistantly performed better since the premiership was started then before.

And I think the whole youth argument is nonsense aswell, if anything it's to do with crap mentality from englihs/british players. Its strange how the youth from the rest of europe/the world can perform in most countries yet the british can't get through. It's got nothing to do with "bloody foreigners" but with mentality and crap coaching. After all putting people like Shearer in charge of Newcaslte just sums it up for me. To compare to another player from a similar generation / situation; Van Basten got all his coaching badges and travelled to top club teams to learn coaching and then after that started working. Shearer has been sitting on a coach for too long boring anybody that's listening and then coaches a big side without any qualifications.

The main argument you could use for youth is at teams like Bolton/fulham ect who will buy generic foreigners instead of taking a chance. I think the 6+5 could be a good rule, but mostly for the alsorans as for the top4 it will mean either diminishing the general quality of the team/squad or just buying up all the talent and letting them sit on the bench. Which will actually mean less "homegrown" players playing. But then I don't care for international football, its second rate!
 
YoungGun_UK said:
I think you should stop with your "Im a superior fan cause im from Liverpool" BS. It doesn't matter where the person is from if he has a connection with a club who are you to say it isn't right? I wonder if you would support Liverpool if Everton were the more succesfull side when you were growing up?
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erm, i was born in 85, i didn't start watching football til the 90s and by that time Liverpool were winning fuck all. But no i wouldn't have supported Everton because my dad and brother wouldn't have let me. Was that an admission from you that you support Man Utd over your local team because they're more successful?

anyway you bitter mong my point wasn't that i'm a better fan or anything like that, my point was, he supports a team from another country because they're a massively successful club, and (hopefully) because of their history and worldwide appeal, the same reasons players want to join English clubs, as well as money.
 
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sauce said:
Joke right?
Cause I laughed

There is no solution, the big clubs will keep gettin bigger and they are the voice over the federations, so there is nothing we can do about it, that is the capitalism world, cartels.
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no, why would it be a joke?

English, Spanish and Italian clubs are the biggest and most famous in the world, what African, Australian, American or Asian clubs are more well known or bigger? Which tournaments in those continents are bigger, better or more lucrative than the UEFA Champions League?

If you travel to Asia, Africa and Australia, you will find very very few Boca Juniors fans, Cruzeiro fans or River Plate fans, but you'll see hundreds of thousands of Liverpool, Man Utd, Real Madrid, AC Milan, Real Madrid etc. fans.
 
And why the hell is that? Because they have brilliant teams and win stuff with players that they bought, because they have the money! If they could only use their countries players you would see how far Liverpool or any big club atm would go in the champions league or even the cup. If every club could keep their best players and build their team since the players youth, Brazil would OWN and kill every single team in England, and no1 in this world can deny it, if they kept players like ronaldo ronaldinho denilson romario robinho kaka anderson daniel alves maicon etc etc etc the would do exactly as the Pele generation did, just kill team after team in the world cup or in any competition they enter, even though peles generation had more talent and skill nowadays they have a bit of lack in both but they sure would still play the Ginga brazileira, not that crap that they play now. Not even Brazilians care about their national team when before they would die to see a game live, thats because their players lost the flair and lost that hunger that the Brazilians have when they start in the youth once their out in Europe they just forget that in a year or 2 they are totally different players, but thats another story, point is that if every league had their best players playing there every league would have his spot on the map, not only English, Italy and Spain like it is now.
But this is my opinion, may not be 100% right, but thats the point of this thread, for every1 to discuss what they think about this issue in modern football.
 
Can you imagine Drogba playing for a club in Abidjan, or Eto'o playing for a Cameroonean side?

Would be interesting.

I must admit I enjoy it when big players go back to their home countries to finish their careers, like Rui Costa and Benfica, Ronaldo and Corinthians, etc.

Whether I'd enjoy it if they had to do it for their whole careers I'm not sure.

Someone needs to make a PES patch for this type of thing so we could see what squads each league would have.
 
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no, why would it be a joke?

English, Spanish and Italian clubs are the biggest and most famous in the world, what African, Australian, American or Asian clubs are more well known or bigger? Which tournaments in those continents are bigger, better or more lucrative than the UEFA Champions League?

If you travel to Asia, Africa and Australia, you will find very very few Boca Juniors fans, Cruzeiro fans or River Plate fans, but you'll see hundreds of thousands of Liverpool, Man Utd, Real Madrid, AC Milan, Real Madrid etc. fans.
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My point is not that Milans Real Madrid and Liverpool would not be big, they were even before getting the foreigns but clubs like Santos were par with them.

A couple of years ago I made a list of players that passed by Cruzeiro and a lot of them were top, really top players in europe, now imagine if they stayed, our league would be much better right? And yours weaker.

The point is that these teams can't compete anymore and each they the distance increase, and its not even the big european clubs fault, a lot of bad decisions and corruption injured the economics of Brazilian football.

These days loads of kids here chose Milan or Man Utd etc. And thats just the way things are and south american clubs won't catch up anymore.

But don't blame the players.
 
They now just go because of the money that european clubs can give them, not for the game itself, they just want quick profit that's why when you go to a test session in any club in brazil or argentina you see over 20/30 kids desperately trying to do their best because if they do and some1 likes them, they will get a contract and the first step to play in europe is done, the rest is just being lucky enough to not get injuries and get a scout to see him.
Its also a fact that the countries economy displays a huge part in the process, if the economy is awful then of course that this will reflect in the clubs financial bill, they accumulate debts and since there ain't a rish bastard to spend the money there, they just have to sell their best players to the clubs that give them 2 cents, because ever penny matters to them, unlike Liverpool/Chelsea that spend huge fortunes in players to sit on the bench.
Theres a huge gap right now between clubs, and that gat is even bigger when your watching south american football. If europe and south america did a tournament around 40 years back, they would dominate every team there, because they still had some power over their finances, but now they would lose every game or at least struggle against even a mediocre team from europe.
But back to the topic, would players be willing to accept this and that american salary thing? the one where clubs have a limit for salaries and can't exceed that limit.
 
If this happened, the South American clubs would wipe the floor with the rest of the club sides, although I could see the Spanish and Italian club sides being the only realistic opponents. The English club sides would flop due to the lack of national talent atm.
 
It's a too radical idea.

But I do agree with limitations.

Teams shouldn't be allowed to field an 11 with no players from their home country.


Price for foreign players would also increase, forcing teams to make their own players.
 
I agree with that but not many teams do that, Arsenal and Inter being the main culprits but most teams field a good nucleas of homegrown talent, Something United have been great at, We have a lot of british talent in our squad and even if some have cost upto 30M its still English talent we've helped improve.
 
The brazilian league would be the goddest league, french ligue 1 would be the top league in europe along with portugal and spain.

Africans league would be awesomes and england would be trash =p
 
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