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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 06/28/07)

PESmeTOdeath said:
why is PES08 also limited with graphics and all technology by XBOX360? GTA IV will be peace of sh1t because XBOX360 has no default hard drive. it menas I wont buy PS3, there is no reason. I play only PES and if it will be identical, why pay much more? just for sixaxis controler because I was using dual shock? no way. kick Konami and Seabass ass, SONY. whats wrong??
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Well, the only thing the harddrive does, If I am correct, is reduce load times. For GTA it might matter (going into and out of buildings in GTA: SA gave a black loading screen), but for PES, it's probably not going to matter at all. It might take more time to load.
Besides, we all know what it's like when a game needs to swap data from HDD to RAM mid-game: Choppety chop-chop. The game needs to fit most data into the RAM, or else it will suffer from slowdowns when new data is needed that isn't in the RAM.
So HDD is good for reducing load-times (HDD faster than Blu-Ray).

But as for improving gameplay etc, they can only use the HDD as a potential aid in loading etc. It would sound weird if they, when designing the game, assumed that people will have space on their drives. If someone already is storing alot of media, then there might not be enough room.

Also, I'm pretty sure Sony has limited the European PS3s to the smaller sized harddrives. If the drivers were essential, they would stay safe and give people as much room as possible.

This is just my reasoning though. If someone has more insight, please post. This could be interesting.
 
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 06/28/07)

i dont think that harddrive is the only thing that XBOX is missing. dont wanna star flame, but if the two versions are same i will stay playin DOWNLOADED a repeat DOWNLOADED ps2 version. downloaded because I am really pi88ed off. Like old times, wait for patch and enjoy great game practicaly same as 4 last years
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 06/28/07)

Europe only has the 60gig model... it doesnt matter for pes at all but it would as you say for gta.

Dan Houser has already confirmed in Official Playstation Mag that the 360 hindered some development ideas because of the HDD issue(most notably load times).

In terms of how it could be used for pes, it would probaly come down to texture streaming I would imagine, but then who's to say that pes is graphicaly advanced enough to require this yet.

Working for a games retailer i try to stay as unbiased as possible and i think both consoles are awesome, but they have different strengths. 360 has a great GPU and Online infastructure, PS3 has a beast of a processor and supports user generated content. It all boils down to your personal requirements and not which system is better.

I think we will see a great ps3 game ported superbly to the 360 and thats about it.

So lets put aside 360 this.. PS3 that.. and unite for what will bring both sides together and the reason why we are here writing in this thread.
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 06/28/07)

was those screens from op magazine and will there be others in psm3 and one more question will there be any more info released before july 5th i want to see the new animations and the players' face expresion
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 06/28/07)

I agree with Fernando 100%, sadly, although it would be the logical approach and the one Konami are most likely to follow.
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 06/28/07)

So i think 360 users will be more satisfied just cause they didnt have a "proper" PES game in the plataform
PS users will be a bit dissappointed in terms of gfx quality just because it will be same as 360
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I'm not upset.. I didn't ever fall for the hype that the PS3 would have a superior version of WE/PES. I pretty much have always thought that PES on 360/PS3 would be pretty much the same except for controller preferences (which mine is PS) and advantage to 360 probably for online play.. BUT besides that.. pretty much the same

look at the other biggest sports games that are coming out this year on the PS3/360 .. namely the big system sellar Madden

We have confirmed the Xbox 360 versions of Madden NFL 08 (August), All-Pro Football 2K8 (July), and NCAA Football 08 (July) will run at 60 frames per second, whereas the PS3 editions are locked at just 30fps. In the simplest of terms, this means that the 360 versions will run smoother and faster, and you'll have an easier time noticing subtle animations.

While we haven't had the opportunity to see the difference with EA's titles (the publisher hasn't sent us PS3 builds of either), All-Pro Football 2K8 definitely runs better on Xbox 360.
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http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3160709

now that is something to get upset about..


Why do so many people think that the PS3 is the main platform of choice for the next gen PES/WE code? imo.. if it is.. it should be technically a tad better than the 360 version maybe eh?

any ways,
this what I remember reading long ago..


Which format is leading the development?

Seabass: In the past we focused on the PS2 version of PES first but with the switch to next-gen everything is now led on PC and then moved across onto Xbox 360 and PS3, so the formats are now treated very equally. As for the DS and PSP, we're not attempting to squeeze the full version of the game on handheld because it wouldn't work. Instead the game will have the same simplicity of PES1 and PES2 but we'll add all of the new features to make it play like the latest versions on the other consoles
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http://uk.ps3.ign.com/articles/730/730120p2.html


i'm guessing we will not see hardly any differences when it comes to PS3 PES vs 360 PES.. for the majority of next gen.. so get over fan boy bs saying which one is better or getting ported to what..
 
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 06/28/07)

hmmmm.. about this ps3 v xbox360.. (yes im a fan boy YAY!! - simply cause i cant afford both systems, and there is too little time to play all the great games in the world - so i stick to the best games on my fav hardward)

I personally wouldnt mind at all if the xbox 360 version was identical to the ps3 version... everyone should be able to enjoy this game in its full glory.. but id be bitterly dissapointed if the 360 was better... simply because im a ps2 player and love the controllers of the ps3...compared to the xbox controllers.

maybe thats the reason why alot want the ps3 version to be the best one, since it has better controllers for the game (personal opinion). Ive tried a 360 controller.. and im not a fan. (possibly cause i aint used to it - ps2 controllers have stuck with me and ill continue using one).

Im guessing another reason most peeps want the ps3 version to be best, is that if its the same game as the 360 version, it means konami arent using the true limits of ps3 - which is supposed to be the better system power wise.

On the other hand, a smart move by konami could be to make very similar games for both systems, but have different additional features exclusive to each systems - ud have to buy the game on both systems to try out every additional feature of the game... thatd be kinda cheeky..

I love these pointless discussions... must be the lack of video clips n screens etc .. anyways back to we10jl for me..
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 06/28/07)

aussiepesfan said:
Im guessing another reason most peeps want the ps3 version to be best, is that if its the same game as the 360 version, it means konami arent using the true limits of ps3 - which is supposed to be the better system power wise.
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There is no true, definite evidence that one has more power than the other. Both has advantages and disadvantages when compared to each other. If one was more powerful than the other, it would've been found out by now.


On the other hand, a smart move by konami could be to make very similar games for both systems, but have different additional features exclusive to each systems - ud have to buy the game on both systems to try out every additional feature of the game... thatd be kinda cheeky..
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That would be very stupid for them to do to their customers. I know it's a business and trying to make money is the #1 objective, but you have to look out for your customers and not try and piss them off. Your suggestion would definitely piss off alot of people. Many people cannot afford both systems.

My goodness, will this console fanboy talk please cease?!?!! It's turning people inside out!
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 06/28/07)

P2K said:
There is no true, definite evidence that one has more power than the other. Both has advantages and disadvantages when compared to each other. If one was more powerful than the other, it would've been found out by now.




That would be very stupid for them to do to their customers. I know it's a business and trying to make money is the #1 objective, but you have to look out for your customers and not try and piss them off. Your suggestion would definitely piss off alot of people. Many people cannot afford both systems.

My goodness, will this console fanboy talk please cease?!?!! It's turning people inside out!
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Yeah i think youre right.. it wouldnt be a smart move.. more of a smartass move thatd piss alot of peeps off.. :)
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 06/28/07)

Is that all they say about the PS3? Not that desperate to go buy one... great. Was funny though, 2000 gamer points aint even that much haha!

And dont the Wii have online stuff now?

When is this actually coming out, autumn as in the usualy october date as on play says 26th of October, is that a likely date do ya reckon, im curious about edit mode aswell now, editable balls, stadiums maybe? Who knows, should be immense!
 
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Lami said:
Be a Pro (or even Fantasista in JLWE2007CC) i'd say is an interesting mode. Imagine that player is actually you, and only you get to control him. His life is in your hands and only you can decide his future ;) Progress or not, be loved or hated, become a celebrity or a nobody; That's how you experience a real footballer's life :D I am hoping PES 2008 will include this.
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Bro that sounds cack! Why not call it the "life&times of Ashley the twat Cole"?
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 06/28/07)

Nice, so the next gen console versions are just ports of the PC version ;) The PC version really is gonna be the best one this time around! Get in!
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 06/28/07)

The_Knight said:
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The grass looks gorgeous, it's the same as on PES6 by the looks of it, but it always stood out as the most realistic part of the PES6 graphics on 360. And unlike FIFA it stays 3D from all angles.
 
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 06/28/07)

All I know is THIS game in motion might be brilliant



and yes those shows ain't in the game looks like a doctored up image
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 06/28/07)

With the talk about the "new engine" in graphics and gameplay... I guess PES/WE will only be editable from inside the game i.e. no kitserver.
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 06/28/07)

NickSCFC said:
Some people on this site need to get a life!
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you won't be saying that when you use their option file to get edited kits etc.
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 06/28/07)

Something I was thinking about this afternoon...

I was going to challenge my dad to a few games of football a few days ago (before my console died), seeing as we haven't played for a month or two. He's half-way between PES and FIFA - he likes the D-PAD control in PES but he likes the freedom of FIFA.

Anyway, the thing we like to do most is to play a cup where I control one team, he controls another and when it's matchday, the CPU side is controlled by the other person - if you see what I mean. We've been doing this for the last three or four years with the PES games.

Anyway, at the moment I only have the Xbox 360 set up, and so it was a choice between PES6 and FIFA/UEFA. Now in PES6 on the PS2, you can have the above controller arrangements. On the Xbox 360, you can't (so it's not a very good port of the PS2 version in more ways than ... the fifty-odd already known). You're not permitted to move your controller to the side of the CPU. Which is really disappointing, because playing a load of friendlies is boring and playing against the CPU is boring.

I realise it's probably done because of the Xbox 360 achievements - it would be easy to get them all if you plug in a second pad, select the CPU side and then hammer yourself 10-0. But still, it means that the game is pretty much a waste of money to me, as that's the reason I buy PES (PES for multiplayer, FIFA for single player). All of the FIFAs on Xbox 360 so far have banned this way of playing too.

Now I've been thinking about PES 2008 - what do you think will happen? Will it be exactly the same across the PS3/360/PC versions, or will the 360 once again be CPU-side locked because of the achievements?

If it is, then I'm going to be so fucking angry. I don't give a shit about achievements, I want to have fun - give me the option of forfeitting them so that I can play the game the way I want to, Konami.

But I hope it's not even worse news than that - I hope they don't ban this way of playing across all versions... Which they actually did a few years ago... We went from doing it on PSone for years to a PS2 version not allowing it, and then the next version allowed it again - typical Konami, one step forward, two steps back.
 
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Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 06/28/07)

Yeh spot on Jack.

Theres been example of them doing this to compensate other versions. Little things like being able to change the kit combonations were taken out because if the 360 version, and the R2 & L2 control was modified for the psp version. Its a problem.

btw anyone else planning to go Leipzig? Im definately going, just booked a week off work for it today :)
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 06/28/07)

Jack Bauer said:
Something I was thinking about this afternoon...

I was going to challenge my dad to a few games of football a few days ago (before my console died), seeing as we haven't played for a month or two. He's half-way between PES and FIFA - he likes the D-PAD control in PES but he likes the freedom of FIFA.

Anyway, the thing we like to do most is to play a cup where I control one team, he controls another and when it's matchday, the CPU side is controlled by the other person - if you see what I mean. We've been doing this for the last three or four years with the PES games.

Anyway, at the moment I only have the Xbox 360 set up, and so it was a choice between PES6 and FIFA/UEFA. Now in PES6 on the PS2, you can have the above controller arrangements. On the Xbox 360, you can't (so it's not a very good port of the PS2 version in more ways than ... the fifty-odd already known). You're not permitted to move your controller to the side of the CPU. Which is really disappointing, because playing a load of friendlies is boring and playing against the CPU is boring.

I realise it's probably done because of the Xbox 360 achievements - it would be easy to get them all if you plug in a second pad, select the CPU side and then hammer yourself 10-0. But still, it means that the game is pretty much a waste of money to me, as that's the reason I buy PES (PES for multiplayer, FIFA for single player). All of the FIFAs on Xbox 360 so far have banned this way of playing too.

Now I've been thinking about PES 2008 - what do you think will happen? Will it be exactly the same across the PS3/360/PC versions, or will the 360 once again be CPU-side locked because of the achievements?

If it is, then I'm going to be so fucking angry. I don't give a shit about achievements, I want to have fun - give me the option of forfeitting them so that I can play the game the way I want to, Konami.

But I hope it's not even worse news than that - I hope they don't ban this way of playing across all versions... Which they actually did a few years ago... We went from doing it on PSone for years to a PS2 version not allowing it, and then the next version allowed it again - typical Konami, one step forward, two steps back.
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Spot on there JB they really messed up changing that me and a few mates always had a team each so i hope they sort it out.
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 06/28/07)

I think We're all going to be really impressed in Liepzig,
The last time Konami spent so much time on a PES game was the first Pro Evo on PS2 and that game was groundbreaking.
I think this one will be too.
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 06/28/07)

;) i cantt wait anymore.....so Winning11 wil be alsow rlsed in october? :( ,damn planned my vacation in august for nothing
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 06/28/07)

hmm, i might go too.
 
Re: WE/PES 2008 Next Gen - News/Discussions Official Thread (Last Update 06/28/07)

The French PSM3 is already out and nothing about PES 2008, the PSM3 UK can out before the 5 july ?
 
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