Star Wars (all new films / shows)

[gabe.paul.logan]

I just watched Rogue One for the third time. What a great movie that is. I think they should rethink Indiana Jones and have his daughter take over from him (forget Mutt, Indy probably has children all over the place). Her name would be...
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This movie had some nice action and SW lore but it had really bland and boring characters. It was a snooz fest for me.

 

[slamsoze]

This movie had some nice action and SW lore but it had really bland and boring characters. It was a snooz fest for me.

I don't know if it is cause of the low standards by now, but i find Rogue One a decent spin-off movie. It had many gimmicks, despite they worked well. Rebel forces acting like true rebels, CHECK. Badass Darth Vader scene, CHECK. Deathstar demo shots, CHECK.
For example i found flat & boring, same as you describe, The SOLO movie. I haven't managed to watch it in one-shot till now. Three atempts. One from the middle of the movie, two from the beggining that i fall asleep in the meantime. It is amazing how they did Han Solo to seem so boring, he was like a cheap space Indiana Jones.
Also the female character, i never understood her significant in the plot. Further more she was Emilia Clark, who i liked until recently, BUT she is a little bit overused by castings. She played In Terminator, she played in Game of Thrones. She playes almost everywhere in the latest movies.

 

[gabe.paul.logan]

I don't know if it is cause of tge low standards by now, but i find Rogue One a decent spinoff movie. It had many gimmicks but they worked well.Rebel forces acting like true rebels, CHECK. Badass Darth Vader scene, CHECK. Deathstar demo shots, CHECK.
For example i found flat a boring, same as you describe, The SOLO movie. I haven't managed to watch it in one shot till now. Three atempts. Obe fromthe middle and two that i fall asleep in the meantime. It is amazing how they did Han Solo to seem so boring, he was like a cheap space Indiana Jones.
Also the female character, i never understood her significant in the plot. Further more she was Emilia Clark, who i liked, is a little bit overused by castings. She played In Terminator, she played in Game of Thrones. She playes almost everywhere.

Well to be honest i cant really name any of the "new" characters in Rouge One. The funny droid was funny tho. I havent watched Solo, its not Harrison Ford and i wasnt convinced by Rouge One.
Just watched the Mandalorian because perhaps as a short tv show with Favreau could be something decent. So far it is the best thing since The Revenge of The Sith for me.

Also the ost is original and dope.

 

[slamsoze]

@Godotelli or any USER=31@evoweb/USER]-ADMIN (ffs there is one guy with nickname "evoweb" and an other with nickname "ADMIN") , if OP does not come back. Is it possible to edit Topic's title to Star Wars (something general)?
E.G.: The Star Wars thread

 

[gabe.paul.logan]

@Godotelli or any USER=31@evoweb/USER]-ADMIN (ffs there is one guy with nickname "evoweb" and an other with nickname "ADMIN") , if OP does not come back. Is it possible to edit Topic's title to Star Wars (something general)?
E.G.: The Star Wars thread

Or separate Disney and Lucas SW

 

[slamsoze]

Or separate Disney and Lucas SW

I try to avoid spoilers, so i have not read anything about Mandalorian. May i ask when does it take place chronological? It is between episode III and IV?

 

[gabe.paul.logan]

I try to avoid spoilers, so i have not read anything about Mandalorian. May i ask when does it take place chronological? It is between episode III and IV?

No its after the Jedi Returns.

 

[crustcyb]

I try to avoid spoilers, so i have not read anything about Mandalorian. May i ask when does it take place chronological? It is between episode III and IV?

To me the worst thing (among all the other bad decisions) that Disney does/did with SW is that they trivialize absolutely everything. It's pathetic...

Force Awakens - lightsabers trivialized (nothing more than glowing baseball bats)
Last Jedi - hyperspace trivialized.
Mandalorian - carbon freeze and yoda's species trivialized.

I agree with @gabe.paul.logan, it's a snooze fest.

 

[slamsoze]

To me the worst thing (among all the other bad decisions) that Disney does/did with SW is that they trivialize absolutely everything. It's pathetic...

Force Awakens - lightsabers trivialized (nothing more than glowing baseball bats)
Last Jedi - hyperspace trivialized.
Mandalorian - carbon freeze and yoda's species trivialized.

I agree with @gabe.paul.logan, it's a snooze fest.

I think gabe said that Rogue One was a snoozefest....And that Mandalorian is good.

In other news, yes the UberTrivia is an obvious annoying flaw. They don't have a clear idea what they want to do with the lore. They just throw random gimmicks and evaluate which will sell more.
Take The Last Jedi as an example.
Do you remember how many new subplots they tried to throw during the movie, with bad narrative, trying to explore through only one movie, or making retcons, trivialise, etc so much and different things.

1)Princess Leia using the force for first time and not only this, she flies on space like fakin Superman or Super Saiyan-jin.

2) The Choosen-random Jedi mindgames during both new Disney movies episodes 7 & 8. Rey is a scavenger who becomes top Jedi, random kid in the end of movie using the force, Luke Skywalker being a messiah figure and finally being not....I got confused finally, what the fak you need to be a top class Jedi knight? Be a Skywalker or die tryin? Be a chosen one? Be trained since childhood? Have high midichlorians? Make only sone ShaoLin meditation? BE a random with good heart?

3) Also trying to expand the Jedi powers. In the old times, a good Jedi could use the force (at general), do sometelekinesis tricks, a little bit mind-control, fight with a lightsabet against laser guns. Now you can fly like a Saiyan, you can make crazy intergalactic astral projections, do some mind linking ala phone videocalls etc, etc....wtf???? I was convinced during part of the movie , that they would give Jedis some aura-energy wave powers, like Kamehameha or Haduken.

4) Maybe the most annoying, the part were they discovered the same person who sells TIE fighters sells also X-Wings. WHAT A REAL LIFE-real world reference. Yes Disney we know that in real life usually the same person-banks-etc who fund the one side of a war, fund also the other side, and they sell to both sides, but the Star Wars galaxy had a more medieval-imperial mentality. Furthermore it is a faikin space-opera, if i want to think about such problems of modern real world , i would watch a documentary. And for god sake, ok screw Jedis who are naive, but the Siths who are sinister and master tacticians in conspiracy, how can Disney show them so stupid, that they get exploited and be used as tools by some rich weapon merchants, who live in a stupid Casino planet, abusing some dinosaur-ostriches in chariot-like races ???? How Disney????

5) Finally after all this mess, i still wonder and ask again...Who can use the force? A talented? A force sensitive? A chosen one? A gifted one? A Skywalker? Anyone?

6) Why rise of the Skywalker, since Luke and Master Yodas ghost decided that Jedis were blind and should dismiss them and Luke "died" in the end of the movie...Basically even the Jedi thing was confusing, they got through a whole dialogue about the faults of Jedis, then burning the Jedi tree, a symbolism of neglecting the Old Jedi philosophy and create some new maybe?, only to conclude that Rey knows already everything from the ancient Jedi texts and that they must not let her succumb to the anger and the temptation between dark side and the light (like Kylo Rens inner conflict)....So wtf was the conclusion? ?? Jedis did things bad, they have not anything new to offer, they need refreshing and finally let's help Rey remain an old-School Jedi.....out of nowhere! !!!!??????

7) Who and what teh fek was Snoke, again??
I can keep up forever.....

 

[crustcyb]

@slamsoze Rian Johnson is an egocentric lunatic. You're totally right on your remarks about The Last Jedi... The Leia superwoman comes to mind (unfortunately), but to me the one that stands out the most is that bullshit of the Laura Dern character kamiklze-smashing the enemy destroyer with her ship going into light-speed. Hell, why didn't they do that with the Death Star in the New Hope, and bothered to do that trench run?! All they needed to do, was get a few droids, and "auto-pilot hyperspace" half-a-dozen X-wings into the Death Star and be done with it...

If gabe thinks Rogue One is a snooze fest (I think the same), I wonder what he thinks of Force Awakens and The Last Jedi

2 ) and 3) You're right. I kinda forgot to mention how Disney trivialized Jedis also... Even worse than trivializing everything else.

4) Both movies (Force Awakens and Last Jedi) are SO BAD, and so the total opposite of memorable, that I don't even remember that part you mentioned...

My take on the whole thing is that, although Rogue One is watchable/passable, I find it really annoying that Vader does the "badass" spree at the end, but then you roll back to 1977 in the New Hope (which, chronologically, is just after the events of Rogue One), and he needs a flying droid with a syringe to interrogate his own daughter... Sure, I think Lucas gets a pass because he's the mastermind of the whole thing, and back then, he didn't have the tech/money to realize his concept. or whatever... He was never a good director to begin with, and the prequel trilogy just proves that: great concept and (maybe) story, but abismal/cheesy (Padme & Anakin) acting, casting and characters (Jar-Jar Binks, enough said).

But for people that grew up with these films (me included), after 1 movie to complete all trilogies (Rise of Skywalker), it's easier to get a scope of the whole thing: How The Empire Strikes Back is the high point of it all (so above all the other movies), not only chronologically (it's the "mid-point episode", with 4 coming before, and 4 after), but also in what the great character arc in that movie defined everything that had to come after it, and how everything that happened before that came to a high point in that Episode: Love triangle between Han, Leia and Luke, with the first two coming out as a couple, the father/son relationship between Luke and Vader (that revelation being the absolute "pinnacle" of the whole series, not to mention the most memorable scene). It's a masterpiece that makes all the other 8 movies ('cause this new one will probably also suck balls) seem mediocre.

It's no coincidence that it's the best movie (Ep. 5) , most probably because Irvin Kershner was such a great director, several steps above of all the other directors that were cast on all the movies (J.J. Abrams comes close, but he blew it with Force Awakens, mostly because he tried to carbon copy a New Hope).

I guess that what most saddens me is that they brought back the 3 major characters (Han, Leia and Luke) just to completely shit on their heads. Han gets killed by a sibling with the "NOOOOOO" scene (carbon copy of Vader killing Obi-Wan in the New Hope), Leia goes superwoman, whatever... And Luke is a hopeless green-milk drinking depressed old hag: you can see a lot of Mark Hammil's interviews on youtube, and see how he hates (and with good reason) what Rian Johnson did with the Luke character.

The Han Solo movie is probably the most pathetic of all Disney ones. He speaks "wookiese" with Chewie and there's a cheesy explanation on why his name is "Solo".

I think Mandalorian would be more than OK, if it didn't have so many clichés... But I guess that by now, it's kind of a "learning process" (as much absurd as that might sound) for Disney.

But in the end, Disney Star Wars is a complete cluster fuck.

 

[chiefrocka4real]

You guys rather watch The Mandalorian. Thats some cool SW so far up to ep3. I have spoken.

Gonna check it, but I´m not sure with that baby Yoda thing, I have seen on pictures...
Gonna see, though

This movie had some nice action and SW lore but it had really bland and boring characters. It was a snooz fest for me.

 

[gabe.paul.logan]

Gonna check it, but I´m not sure with that baby Yoda thing, I have seen on pictures...
Gonna see, though

To me its just a high budget fan fiction Its not a good movie at all, it has no good characters and no good storyline.

 

[chiefrocka4real]

To me its just a high budget fan fiction Its not a good movie at all, it has no good characters and no good storyline.

Wow, okay.
How opinions differ....interesting .
I think, Rogue one is the only "new" Star Wars movie that also felt like Star Wars.
I have never been happy with Episode 1 - 3 and also not with 7 and 8.
People who kept defending those movies been like "it´s you! You are old now! You can´t have that Star Wars feeling back! It´s over...no matter what movie comes".
I have never believed in this. Yes, it is right to some extent, but it can´t be THE reason.
To me personally, Rogue One proved that this thesis is wrong.
About characters...I´m with you with some of these.
I didn´t like Forest Whitaker´s character that much and as much as I like Donnie Yen....on one side it was cool having him in the movie...on the other side.....it probably wasn´t that necessary, but then I admire the courage of ther filmmaker bringing him in and the fighting scenes have been great too.
The girl played very well though. The guy was okay....not really deep, but what I liked about him was, that he wasn´t a pure good guy...he had dirt on his hands too...that made him interesting.
The pilot wasn´t a good character and a few others maybe either.
But the bad guy was awesome!
I can understand that.

What I literally can not understand is "no good stroyline". We are still writing about Rogue One and not Episode 8, yeah?
I think, the storyline is absolutely great.
The movie destroyed every argument about episode 4, why the death star had a weak spot in the first place.
It made sense.

And as @slamsoze mentioned: that badass Darth Vader scene in the end! Lovely!
I really like that movie.

You´re the first one I know, that doesn´t.

But all good....always interesting to have different opinions

 

[gabe.paul.logan]

Wow, okay.
How opinions differ....interesting .
I think, Rogue one is the only "new" Star Wars movie that also felt like Star Wars.
I have never been happy with Episode 1 - 3 and also not with 7 and 8.
People who kept defending those movies been like "it´s you! You are old now! You can´t have that Star Wars feeling back! It´s over...no matter what movie comes".
I have never believed in this. Yes, it is right to some extent, but it can´t be THE reason.
To me personally, Rogue One proved that this thesis is wrong.
About characters...I´m with you with some of these.
I didn´t like Forest Whitaker´s character that much and as much as I like Donnie Yen....on one side it was cool having him in the movie...on the other side.....it probably wasn´t that necessary, but then I admire the courage of ther filmmaker bringing him in and the fighting scenes have been great too.
The girl played very well though. The guy was okay....not really deep, but what I liked about him was, that he wasn´t a pure good guy...he had dirt on his hands too...that made him interesting.
The pilot wasn´t a good character and a few others maybe either.
But the bad guy was awesome!
I can understand that.

What I literally can not understand is "no good stroyline". We are still writing about Rogue One and not Episode 8, yeah?
I think, the storyline is absolutely great.
The movie destroyed every argument about episode 4, why the death star had a weak spot in the first place.
It made sense.

And as @slamsoze mentioned: that badass Darth Vader scene in the end! Lovely!
I really like that movie.

You´re the first one I know, that doesn´t.

But all good....always interesting to have different opinions

I never watched but once 7 & 8. I dont like them at all. Ep1-3 at least had some story and arc for Obi Wan and Darth Vader, to me those are guilty pleasures. Except for EP3, i think thats on the level of EP6 at least, i can appreciate movies which can pull some heart strings and that did even if they are a bit cheesy here and there. Could have been a much better movie of course.
As for the Mandalorian it was good until ep1-3 but as i see its not going to be an 8 episode wonder, they ditched the main plot very easily, Disney want money so this crap will have like tons of seasons i bet before the main storyline will pay off unfortunately. Ep 4-6 has no impact at all or reason to exist. Now its like a bunch of sidequests in a game. Im pretty sure it satisfies the people who love the SW lore tho.
Thats why i liked Stranger Things season 1 it was prepared as a one season story with a possible cliffhanger, but it was a complete one. I hate series which dont head anywhere and supposed to be a story driven serie. But on the other hand sitcoms like Friends or Scrubs can work with 1000 of episodes.

 

[slamsoze]

The narrative about characters and their development, seems dull to me, cause they try to throw so much stuff in 2 hours, that's how i receive it at least. Just an example: this character you mentioned above , the one depicted by Whitaker, Saw Guerrera/Guevara whatevs..The way he was presented in the movie he was very underdeveloped. As important as it seemed to meet him for the Rebellion, i thought that he was a very significant figure and in the next 2-3 scenes BOOM!!!!!! He was evaporated..
What i mean is, the whole new Disney concept is, that in order to watch a SW film now i must have Google search with me and searching thimhs every now and then.
That is so different from the original trilogy where almost every "main" character had a clear development, his backstory, his status everything was clear in the movies, developed in visible limits.
Even in the prequel trilogy, the only info you can miss if you watch only the movies is the stories in the anime series Clobe Wars.
In the new movies characters have so shallow development, that you need to catch up with comics, disney+ anime series, Wikipedia, novels, google and after this you can even have characters without a clear background. (Yes Supreme leader Snoke, i am pointing at you)!!!!

 

[gabe.paul.logan]

The narrative about characters and their development, seems dull to me, cause they try to throw so much stuff in 2 hours, that's how i receive it at least. Just an example: this character you mentioned above , the one depicted by Whitaker, Saw Guerrera/Guevara whatevs..The way he was presented in the movie he was very underdeveloped. As important as it seemed to meet him for the Rebellion, i thought that he was a very significant figure and in the next 2-3 scenes BOOM!!!!!! He was evaporated..
What i mean is, the whole new Disney concept is, that in order to watch a SW film now i must have Google search with me and searching thimhs every now and then.
That is so different from the original trilogy where almost every "main" character had a clear development, his backstory, his status everything was clear in the movies, developed in visible limits.
Even in the prequel trilogy, the only info you can miss if you watch only the movies is the stories in the anime series Clobe Wars.
In the new movies characters have so shallow development, that you need to catch up with comics, disney+ anime series, Wikipedia, novels, google and after this you can even have characters without a clear background. (Yes Supreme leader Snoke, i am pointing at you)!!!!

I dont even understand why did he die? He had plenty of time to get on the ship. He just gave up. Such a lazy writing. Make him broke his robot leg, make him injured, stuck somewhere or something damn.

 

[crustcyb]

Again, Disney Star Wars is SO freakin' terrible, it's impossible to develop (either because there's no time, or because they're so boring) any "fondness" for any of the new characters. Well, bad directing, and even worse writing causes stuff like this.

Downloaded all 6 Mandalorian episodes (of course, I will never pay a single dime for anything Star Wars related ever again, unless it's some random toy collecting piece, whatever...) and I will say they are totally overrated. As gabe said, there's no story / sequencing to the plot. and the only reason they put the baby yoda in it, is for the viewer to grow fond of the main character, not to mention the usual "Disney morals" that try to show a bounty hunter (that supposedly only feels attachment to his next contract) capable of doing the "right thing"... It's bad, but again, everything else Disney did since The Force Awakens is SO DREADFUL, that it makes the Mandalorian seem OK (the same goes for Rogue One).

 

[gabe.paul.logan]

Again, Disney Star Wars is SO freakin' terrible, it's impossible to develop (either because there's no time, or because they're so boring) any "fondness" for any of the new characters. Well, bad directing, and even worse writing causes stuff like this.

Downloaded all 6 Mandalorian episodes (of course, I will never pay a single dime for anything Star Wars related ever again, unless it's some random toy collecting piece, whatever...) and I will say they are totally overrated. As gabe said, there's no story / sequencing to the plot. and the only reason they put the baby yoda in it, is for the viewer to grow fond of the main character, not to mention the usual "Disney morals" that try to show a bounty hunter (that supposedly only feels attachment to his next contract) capable of doing the "right thing"... It's bad, but again, everything else Disney did since The Force Awakens is SO DREADFUL, that it makes the Mandalorian seem OK (the same goes for Rogue One).

EP7 on the other hand picked up the original storyline very very nicely.

Spoiler

Still im unsure of two episodes. The Tattoine one and the Bill Burr one. I doesnt get what was the purpose of the episode on Tattooine, there was someone's boots shown at the end but yet no pay off to that bit. Also im pretty sure Bill Burr will come back or i hope at least, he was just awesome.

 

[slamsoze]

I went to cinema yesterday. I was between watch a movie about "Greek Rebetico (music) character and Star Wars.
I succumbed and watched Star Wars accompanied with my 3 little nephews. Except for the trailers i went totally unspoilered, to keep the surprise factor.
I will not make you spoilers!
So in a constructive review i could say the movie was: crap, bullcrap, horsecrap, bullshit, bullshit, tons of crap, tons of shit, asspull, etc....
Even the actors suffered some mass decease and their performances were really weak. The only good performance was this of the Millennium Falcon!!!!Nuff said....

 

[P34SEMM]

Rogue One was brilliant. Force awakens good.
The Last Jedi was too long and dull.
Not seen the Solo movie
Will see the new movie some point over Xmas.

 

[slamsoze]

Rogue One was brilliant. Force awakens good.
The Last Jedi was too long and dull.
Not seen the Solo movie
Will see the new movie some point over Xmas.

Didn't annoy you that Force Awakens was a copy-paste of New Hope? (episode IV).
Or the new retcons that did not respect the previous SW legacy, like for example the speaking lightsaber?

 

[P34SEMM]

Didn't annoy you that Force Awakens was a copy-paste of New Hope? (episode IV).
Or the new retcons that did not respect the previous SW legacy, like for example the speaking lightsaber?

New Hope = Force Awakens
The Last Jedi = Empire

 

[slamsoze]

For me, that i am more optimistic and soft than the hardcores*, it was the worst movie of all, Episode IX. And i had all the good will to love the conclusion of the saga, despite the bad Last Jedi. But even today after 24 hours , my thought is the same : " Please God don't make new Star Wars movies any soon". I really don't want anymore new SW movied like this one. I will watch the 2 old trilogies.

*When i say i am softer than the hardcores, i mean that i loved the original trilogy, i liked a lot the prequel trilogy, i found OK rogue one, i found meh but OK the Force Awakens. Completely i disliked only Last Jedi and Solo.

I really suggest to every SW fan to watch the movie and realise what i say with his own eyes. For me it was worse than Last Jedi.

 

[crustcyb]

New Hope = Force Awakens
The Last Jedi = Empire

Last Jedi = Empire?! Sorry, but you're tripping hard mate... Where are the similarities?

The Empire Strikes back defines the arc of all major characters in the saga (Han, Leia, Luke, Vader), it's a complete masterpiece directed by an accomplished director. It's like, tattoo material :





The Last Jedi is nothing but a dumpster fire directed by a loon, who have no idea what Star Wars is about.

 

[gabe.paul.logan]

Well the rise of skywalker i would say isnt that bad at all, its a horrible mess but its not the worst movie. Thats not saying much i know but still. The only reason the world hating on it because now people realized thats it, thats the sequel trilogy. With all the set up in force awakens, last jedi did nothing with it, and this last movie couldnt fix that movie in 2 hours. The whole direction and process was without vision for the sequels, its Igers and Kennedys fault.
Perhaps if they would split this last movie into two parts. Perhaps then....but even so this whole Palpatine thing makes no sense and undermines the main trilogy.

 

[slamsoze]

Well the rise of skywalker i would say isnt that bad at all, its a horrible mess but its not the worst movie. Thats not saying much i know but still. The only reason the world hating on it because now people realized thats it, thats the sequel trilogy. With all the set up in force awakens, last jedi did nothing with it, and this last movie couldnt fix that movie in 2 hours. The whole direction and process was without vision for the sequels, its Igers and Kennedys fault.
Perhaps if they would split this last movie into two parts. Perhaps then....but even so this whole Palpatine thing makes no sense and undermines the main trilogy.

Did you go to cinema gabe? I can't analyse, to avoid spoilers but for me it felt very bad.
Every fix they tried was erasing any setup from previous trilogies.
About Palpatine,the handling of him was very cheap, more on this on later months.

 

[gabe.paul.logan]

Did you go to cinema gabe? I can't analyse, to avoid spoilers but for me it felt very bad.
Every fix they tried was erasing any setup from previous trilogies.
About Palpatine,the handling of him was very cheap, more on this on later months.

Lets just say i saw it. I can see people like it as a guilty pleasure. I like a lot the movie Doom for example(but thats supposed to be a cheesy mess anyways) But to me its not one of them, these movies boring and confusing, messy, not fun at all, i only watched once all the sequel movies once. They dont have rewatch value to me. Kylo Ren is the only fully developed character in it, perhaps for him worth watching it.

 

[slamsoze]

Lets just say i saw it. I can see people like it as a guilty pleasure. I like a lot the movie Doom for example(but thats supposed to be a cheesy mess anyways) But to me its not one of them, these movies boring and confusing, messy, not fun at all, i only watched once all the sequel movies once. They dont have rewatch value to me. Kylo Ren is the only fully developed character in it, perhaps for him worth watching it.

For me, going very optimistic to the theatre, it left me a very bad taste after, i really wished they will not make a new SW movie the next ten years, while usually my first thought was," i cant wait for next".
And checking on Reddit i saw fans being very polarised and divided between SW fans and SW experts. I assume SW expert is defined as someone liking the original trilogy but not the prequel trilogy. So inam not a SW expert.

Regarding the prequel trilogy , i know many of you don't like them. I liked them. Of course they had flaws but some from the highlights i loved were, the new choreography in most lightsaber duels, the development of Kenobi and Palpatine , especially Palpatine had a very good focus on prequels, he gathered all the spotlight. But most importantly for me the most accurate fact on the prequels was the political drama and the transition of Republic to Empire. It was 100% spot on. Good development very realistic manipulation, like real world politics .
I know from an old reading that Lucas had in mind the fall of the Ancient Roman Republic, its transformation to Roman Empire, when he creatre the story plot. But i could also describe the Fall of the Galactic Republic as modern days European Union. A huge bureaucratic disfunctional Federation of different democratic states that, having so complicated mechanisms and so many different/opposite committees that becomes rotten in the end, making difficult to take good decisions for people and everyone is willing to sacrifice freedom for safety.
I mean the Republic from episodes 1 & 2 was like the present day EU. The republic/empire from RotS was clearly form Ancient Roman Empire transition. I hope EU will not end up like the Galactic Republic!
All in all the political drama in prequel trilogy was that made me love the new movies.
Finally the dialogue between Anakin and Padme on Tattoine, with Anakin confessing about universal peace that should be forced by one (monarch) to make it work, was also spot on the development of the human political thought. When someone is starting to search about the perfect political system for humanity, the only one Monarch forcing peace to everyone, is the first step you make in political thinking development. The next is to realise that when One Monarch enforces laws, it is more a Dictatorship. So you move on to the next political system, searching for the perfect one. Although in real life, human history proves that Monarchy/Dictatorship is the easiest political system, cause it has been overused during human history and still it is spammed around our world , in different forms.

On the other hand Anakin Skywalker remained on his immature ideology, that only one can enforce the perfect political system and of course after a short period he failed.

 

[bsmaff]

Personally after watching it Friday, although plot wise the film was a mess, it wasn't that bad.
It was kind of enjoyable, but the issues with the plot and that this was kind of the sequel to Force Awakens, as everything pretty much introduced and done in Last Jedi was ignored.

To me it was the best film of the trilogy, although that isn't saying much, as it's like which tooth did you enjoy having ripped out the most.

I think the problem seemed they were taking each film at a time, instead of having an a very well written trilogy and any director could of taken over and just continued the story, so there was something that made sense across all 3 films.

Personally I am glad the trilogy is over and like the prequels, I will never watch the new movies again.
There is only 3 Star Wars films worth watching.

 

[chiefrocka4real]

Didn't annoy you that Force Awakens was a copy-paste of New Hope? (episode IV).
Or the new retcons that did not respect the previous SW legacy, like for example the speaking lightsaber?

If I may answer as well...
It annoyed me a lot, yes.
I didn´t like episode 1 - 3.
So I was very sceptic when I sat in the theatre watching episode 7.

At first I found it okay and better than 1 - 3.
But then I watched it again and thinking about it more and more, I found it worse.

Biggest issues for me were the poor explanation of the first order, Kylo Ren and most of all Snoke.

When I have played the campaign of Star Wars Battlefront 2, where the story connects right after the second death star exploded over Endor, I was like "Wow! That should have been in the movie!".
To me personally, most of the Star Wars games manage to bring up much better plots that are harmonious to the Star Wars stories.

Been at my cousin´s place yesterday, who showed me a bit of Jedi The Fallen Order.
Even the cut scenes in there felt a lot better and made me curious.

After the desaster of episode 8, I´m actually done with it.

But a buddy of mine and my kids asked me to watch it with them...so I see myself sitting in the cinema already.

Personally I am glad the trilogy is over and like the prequels, I will never watch the new movies again.
There is only 3 Star Wars films worth watching.

Same here, but to me it´s 4.
I found Rogue One brilliant.