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PES2010 discussion thread
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Dr_Theodore
Banned
- 13 April 2009
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
Nah that's Placebo's job isn't it???
Nah that's Placebo's job isn't it???
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
Well, you're doing one hell of a replacement job!!
Anywho, like Intrepid wrote, it is a good thing we have you to condemn and bash a game even before we have yet to see anything that resembles actual gameplay..
Thanks for that!
Well, you're doing one hell of a replacement job!!
Anywho, like Intrepid wrote, it is a good thing we have you to condemn and bash a game even before we have yet to see anything that resembles actual gameplay..
Thanks for that!
Dr_Theodore
Banned
- 13 April 2009
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
Geez I've not dismissed anything; but a PR handout, wild rumours, and wishful thinking isn't "evidence" of anything. Hope PES2010 is the best football sim of all time - I just want the best possible football game. But let's see what happens.
Geez I've not dismissed anything; but a PR handout, wild rumours, and wishful thinking isn't "evidence" of anything. Hope PES2010 is the best football sim of all time - I just want the best possible football game. But let's see what happens.
gerd
Retired Footballer
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
On the side line it is fairly easy to criticize people who are trying to give information.
Somebody in this thread said something approriate to people like you: why don't you put Thomasgoal on your ignore list and leave him alone.
If you would have read this thread, you would have seen that the majority of the people in this thread are very happy to receive information from thomas...
Other people have already confirmed that Thomas' information usually is very accurate...if he makes mistakes, that is not on purpose. Making mistakes is not a crime or ridiculous...
It's great that the PES community have comedians of the distinction of Adam & Suff and let's not forget ThomasGoalthey all do wonderful work.
On the side line it is fairly easy to criticize people who are trying to give information.
Somebody in this thread said something approriate to people like you: why don't you put Thomasgoal on your ignore list and leave him alone.
If you would have read this thread, you would have seen that the majority of the people in this thread are very happy to receive information from thomas...
Other people have already confirmed that Thomas' information usually is very accurate...if he makes mistakes, that is not on purpose. Making mistakes is not a crime or ridiculous...
Badgerman
blep
- 21 August 2002
- Team
- portsmouth
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
Actually both games are let down by not having 360 motion. It's a bit daft to claim that either game is a realistic simulation when the first thing you notice is that every player is bolted down to a set of rails.
It's kind of odd how the mechanics of football games 10 years ago are comparable to the football games of today.
Oh well, if Konami can get the PES6 freekicks into PES 2010 then I'll be happy. Now they were easily the most realistic element of footie I've seen in a game.
Actually both games are let down by not having 360 motion. It's a bit daft to claim that either game is a realistic simulation when the first thing you notice is that every player is bolted down to a set of rails.
It's kind of odd how the mechanics of football games 10 years ago are comparable to the football games of today.
Oh well, if Konami can get the PES6 freekicks into PES 2010 then I'll be happy. Now they were easily the most realistic element of footie I've seen in a game.
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Jamezinho
Golden Boot Winner
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
I've been a critic of Seabass and haven't bought PES for the past two years due to it's current state, but I hate people caning Seabass too much. He did give us the greatest football series of all time back in the PS2 days, and I prefer to remember him for that. PES1-5 was ahead of it's time and in my opinion no football game since has bettered it - Fifa is still a long way off - and no other game has captured the magic of PES at it's best. Let's see if Seabass can deliver this year. Hopefully with the extra staff, Seabass and his core team can concentrate on what they're good at and turn this game around.
If he doesn't after two wake-up calls then he truly does deserve all he gets.
I've been a critic of Seabass and haven't bought PES for the past two years due to it's current state, but I hate people caning Seabass too much. He did give us the greatest football series of all time back in the PS2 days, and I prefer to remember him for that. PES1-5 was ahead of it's time and in my opinion no football game since has bettered it - Fifa is still a long way off - and no other game has captured the magic of PES at it's best. Let's see if Seabass can deliver this year. Hopefully with the extra staff, Seabass and his core team can concentrate on what they're good at and turn this game around.
If he doesn't after two wake-up calls then he truly does deserve all he gets.
f to the vipe
that's great
- 8 July 2005
- Team
- FC Porto
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
(sorry EA reps on this board, but even the oh so praised newer FIFAs cant hold a candle to the PES games that came before this generation)
If this is true, WTF Konami, how about doing a (next gen) upgrade to PES6 instead?? Oh well, I guess I will be playing the old PES games forever
(sorry EA reps on this board, but even the oh so praised newer FIFAs cant hold a candle to the PES games that came before this generation)
charlievolano
Banned
- 20 January 2007
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
It is about time for a new engine, meaning a new rendering engine (i am tired of the same dull visuals), a very much needed new physics engine (i think the animation-based physics needs to be replaced by an euphoria-like physics engine), a new network code (let's be honest, this is the one area that never worked out well) and a very much need direct ip option, and an overall rethinking about the AI wich makes playing off line single games exciting.
This is what a new engine should be about. Some reworked bla bla or improved bla bla can't really make me feel interested, we all sense we have been playing the same stuff over and over. Time for a change konami.
It is about time for a new engine, meaning a new rendering engine (i am tired of the same dull visuals), a very much needed new physics engine (i think the animation-based physics needs to be replaced by an euphoria-like physics engine), a new network code (let's be honest, this is the one area that never worked out well) and a very much need direct ip option, and an overall rethinking about the AI wich makes playing off line single games exciting.
This is what a new engine should be about. Some reworked bla bla or improved bla bla can't really make me feel interested, we all sense we have been playing the same stuff over and over. Time for a change konami.
Dr_Theodore
Banned
- 13 April 2009
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
Gerd - chill matey - I already praised ThomasGoal, Adam & Suff etc. They all do great work - well they keep me amused
I mean remember old classics like PES2008 will be x3 better on the PS3 - golly that makes me laugh every time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amusing_Ourselves_to_Death
Gerd - chill matey - I already praised ThomasGoal, Adam & Suff etc. They all do great work - well they keep me amused
I mean remember old classics like PES2008 will be x3 better on the PS3 - golly that makes me laugh every time.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amusing_Ourselves_to_Death
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gerd
Retired Footballer
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
Allright dr Theodore.
I actually have read that book when i was at university...i've read it when it waspublished back in the '80's...your link brings sweet memories..
Allright dr Theodore.
I actually have read that book when i was at university...i've read it when it waspublished back in the '80's...your link brings sweet memories..
Dr_Theodore
Banned
- 13 April 2009
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
Gerd this is a much better book
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Life-Bottom...=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1239735369&sr=8-3
Gotta love Dalrymple!
Gerd this is a much better book
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Life-Bottom...=sr_1_3?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1239735369&sr=8-3
Gotta love Dalrymple!
Dr_Theodore
Banned
- 13 April 2009
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
Lami ok now let's have some more Kool-Aid and some of those lovely little bubbles people.
Lami ok now let's have some more Kool-Aid and some of those lovely little bubbles people.
polakis
PES - FIFA Greek master
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
Guys if they use the same engine and the same running and turning animation, the game is dead already...
Guys if they use the same engine and the same running and turning animation, the game is dead already...
Chonk
Non-League
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
I would not be as harsh to say that the game is dead already if the engine has not been improved (changed). The main thing they have to sort imho is the online experience, For me pes5 was the best game for its online play and if they could go back to something like that with DIRECT IP that would be great...Adding things like leagues cups etc ala Fifa would improve it still more.. I am looking forward to Pes10 tho i know pes08 and 09 have been major let downs i keep my fingers and toes crossed this years pes will rise from the ashes to greatness once again
I would not be as harsh to say that the game is dead already if the engine has not been improved (changed). The main thing they have to sort imho is the online experience, For me pes5 was the best game for its online play and if they could go back to something like that with DIRECT IP that would be great...Adding things like leagues cups etc ala Fifa would improve it still more.. I am looking forward to Pes10 tho i know pes08 and 09 have been major let downs i keep my fingers and toes crossed this years pes will rise from the ashes to greatness once again
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ThomasGOAL
Retired Footballer
- 15 March 2003
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
and we know already Konami do a big work on the animations for this episode.
sorry but that mean nothing, whit the same engine you can make a much more beautiful game.
and we know already Konami do a big work on the animations for this episode.
Nick Cave
Wrexham fan for my sins...
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
I think we are a good year or two away from a next gen title we all crave at this moment in time, I still fear the fact we only really have two titles and the stupid exclusive licence crap has seriously stunting the development of the genre...
Both titles will be reworks of the last incarnations and I think of the two, PES will be the most altered/tweaked game play wise, but there will be no new 'engine'...
I think we are a good year or two away from a next gen title we all crave at this moment in time, I still fear the fact we only really have two titles and the stupid exclusive licence crap has seriously stunting the development of the genre...
Both titles will be reworks of the last incarnations and I think of the two, PES will be the most altered/tweaked game play wise, but there will be no new 'engine'...
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
That is what I think so too Nick. Even though it hasn't been "officially" announced that Konami will be using the current engine, it seems most likely so. Maybe this is the start of something promising. Tbh this is what Konami should have been doing for PES 2008, that is keeping the current engine and adding mo cap animations for nextgen consoles as a start.
Well, at least they got their heads straight now. I'm just hoping PES is playable again this year.
About the licensing, I really think football clubs/associations/federations should get rid of the so called "exclusives". It has really ruined it for the fans. A Company making a football game shouldn't be shouting about exclusive licensing, instead they should be raving about gameplay, obviously because we buy a game to play it, not to just sit there and watch the kits. They should be concentrating on challenging game modes, which also is on the gameplay side.
That is what I think so too Nick. Even though it hasn't been "officially" announced that Konami will be using the current engine, it seems most likely so. Maybe this is the start of something promising. Tbh this is what Konami should have been doing for PES 2008, that is keeping the current engine and adding mo cap animations for nextgen consoles as a start.
Well, at least they got their heads straight now. I'm just hoping PES is playable again this year.
About the licensing, I really think football clubs/associations/federations should get rid of the so called "exclusives". It has really ruined it for the fans. A Company making a football game shouldn't be shouting about exclusive licensing, instead they should be raving about gameplay, obviously because we buy a game to play it, not to just sit there and watch the kits. They should be concentrating on challenging game modes, which also is on the gameplay side.
raffupperv12
League 2
- 22 January 2007
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
PES 2010 has to have a better method of using the manual passing system....and hopefully should be all manual.
PES 2010 has to have a better method of using the manual passing system....and hopefully should be all manual.
Dr_Theodore
Banned
- 13 April 2009
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
I strongly disagree about the licence issue - nothing of that sort should prevent the development of really good gameplay. It cannot be used as an excuse for Konami's woefully bad attempts thus far on the next-gen platforms.
I strongly disagree about the licence issue - nothing of that sort should prevent the development of really good gameplay. It cannot be used as an excuse for Konami's woefully bad attempts thus far on the next-gen platforms.
uae_sniper
The Sniper
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
i dont want change the subject but if konami can make the same engine in (football kingdom ps2) i will be very happy
also football kingdom have the 360 motion
see the video
YouTube - football kingdom
imagine if this control (engine) with next-gen graphic it will be something very beautiful
i dont want change the subject but if konami can make the same engine in (football kingdom ps2) i will be very happy
also football kingdom have the 360 motion
see the video
YouTube - football kingdom
imagine if this control (engine) with next-gen graphic it will be something very beautiful
WEtongelre
Champions League
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
And the nets of this game.
And the nets of this game.
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
why the hell the video is in fast forward?????
i dont want change the subject but if konami can make the same engine in (football kingdom ps2) i will be very happy
also football kingdom have the 360 motion
see the video
YouTube - football kingdom
imagine if this control (engine) with next-gen graphic it will be something very beautiful
why the hell the video is in fast forward?????
Badgerman
blep
- 21 August 2002
- Team
- portsmouth
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
I can see Football Kingdom being used as an example for years to come.
I kind of wish there was a competent English developer that could produce a half decent footy game. As it is we have EA on one side of the world asking us what we want yet for years getting the wrong of the stick.
Whilst on the other side of the world you've got the Japanese who strangely nailed down the formula over a decade ago, yet has astonishingly been able to neglect it's entire European fanbase crying out in unison for the same updates year in year out.
I still think we're a way off. In all honesty I reckon a new game entirely is the best bet when it comes to achieving the footy game we lust for. If you're not a fan of the general Fifa vibe then that's not going to change for a while. Similarly, Pro Evo seems to release a new version for each generation, improving it each year after.
But yeah.
Free kicks, if PES can get them groovy again and make it a skill based manoeuvre rather than pot luck then I will be appeased. I need to mock those of lesser skill by placing 35 yarders into the top corner, sweetly kissing the crossbar as it goes in.
A nice extra would be for a webcam celebration thing where I could show my opponent violating myself.
I think the problem with PES is that they released a dodgy version in 2008, so they've had to spend time ironing out the bugs instead of getting free kicks right like I told them to.
I hope that the next F1 game is groove-tastic because I'm looking forward to that more than this.
I can see Football Kingdom being used as an example for years to come.
I kind of wish there was a competent English developer that could produce a half decent footy game. As it is we have EA on one side of the world asking us what we want yet for years getting the wrong of the stick.
Whilst on the other side of the world you've got the Japanese who strangely nailed down the formula over a decade ago, yet has astonishingly been able to neglect it's entire European fanbase crying out in unison for the same updates year in year out.
I still think we're a way off. In all honesty I reckon a new game entirely is the best bet when it comes to achieving the footy game we lust for. If you're not a fan of the general Fifa vibe then that's not going to change for a while. Similarly, Pro Evo seems to release a new version for each generation, improving it each year after.
But yeah.
Free kicks, if PES can get them groovy again and make it a skill based manoeuvre rather than pot luck then I will be appeased. I need to mock those of lesser skill by placing 35 yarders into the top corner, sweetly kissing the crossbar as it goes in.
A nice extra would be for a webcam celebration thing where I could show my opponent violating myself.
I think the problem with PES is that they released a dodgy version in 2008, so they've had to spend time ironing out the bugs instead of getting free kicks right like I told them to.
I hope that the next F1 game is groove-tastic because I'm looking forward to that more than this.
Dr_Theodore
Banned
- 13 April 2009
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
Konami, at least for PES, simply do not have the same level of production values as 2K Sports, EA Sports, Rockstar etc.
And we must face facts PES has so far been, at very best, mediocre, on next-gen - I mean compare them not simply to FIFA but some of the other sports titles on next-gen let alone comparing PES to the very best of next-gen games - the production values are appalling in comparsion say to the efforts that go into GTA IV et al.
Finally on the master league - even the biggest PES fan would admit the master league has been crying out for improvement for years. And what is so annoying is that the master league format could so easily be changed - it’s not rocket science but Konami fail to improve such simple but important things.
Konami, at least for PES, simply do not have the same level of production values as 2K Sports, EA Sports, Rockstar etc.
And we must face facts PES has so far been, at very best, mediocre, on next-gen - I mean compare them not simply to FIFA but some of the other sports titles on next-gen let alone comparing PES to the very best of next-gen games - the production values are appalling in comparsion say to the efforts that go into GTA IV et al.
Finally on the master league - even the biggest PES fan would admit the master league has been crying out for improvement for years. And what is so annoying is that the master league format could so easily be changed - it’s not rocket science but Konami fail to improve such simple but important things.
Badgerman
blep
- 21 August 2002
- Team
- portsmouth
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
I think my expectations for this generation of games has perhaps been a little too high. When you look at the top, top games like GTA IV and MGS4, with all of the resources going into titles like that and even then they're only really starting to scratch the surface.
Then again, Konami only have to create a believable game of football, not a massively open ended story so this only goes to a certain extent.
I don't know really. Whilst I appreciate production values, the gameplay is what makes a game great to me. Like with the older PES games, they had the same shitty production values yet they were immense. I might be in the minority here but whilst I apprecite that games like GTA IV are pretty god damned epic in their own right, they don't get near to PES6 for me. I'm guessing this is down to me being intrinsically familiar with even the minutest of football complexities as opposed to the sound a pedestrian makes when you run over his skull in a 4x4.
It's going to take a few years for football games to induce brown underwear in me again. I'm talking about a near-perfect level of gameplay coupled with a realistic atmosphere. I want to see a crowd that blends in with a stadium instead of being able to pick out the same figures making the same animations, I want pitches that look like actual football pitches, grass that is actually green and all that. Something that I notice every time I play is how the playing surfaces have gotten better yet the players look so out of place. The skin colours are wrong and the kits do not look proper.
Simply put there's a lack of individuality among the players. In both Fifa and PES it just seems as if players' faces and skin tones are put onto a template player and a few tweaks are made. Which is fair enough, but if I have Peter Crouch and Jermain Defoe upfront for England then I should be able to discern those two from Rooney and Heskey.
This PES cycle has started a bit early but even then it seems a bit lacklustre. I hope that the majority will adopt a more laid back approach and make my job difficult this year because last year was turning into a 24 hour job.
Annual badger wordy post about computer games up in here, what nerds we still are.
I think my expectations for this generation of games has perhaps been a little too high. When you look at the top, top games like GTA IV and MGS4, with all of the resources going into titles like that and even then they're only really starting to scratch the surface.
Then again, Konami only have to create a believable game of football, not a massively open ended story so this only goes to a certain extent.
I don't know really. Whilst I appreciate production values, the gameplay is what makes a game great to me. Like with the older PES games, they had the same shitty production values yet they were immense. I might be in the minority here but whilst I apprecite that games like GTA IV are pretty god damned epic in their own right, they don't get near to PES6 for me. I'm guessing this is down to me being intrinsically familiar with even the minutest of football complexities as opposed to the sound a pedestrian makes when you run over his skull in a 4x4.
It's going to take a few years for football games to induce brown underwear in me again. I'm talking about a near-perfect level of gameplay coupled with a realistic atmosphere. I want to see a crowd that blends in with a stadium instead of being able to pick out the same figures making the same animations, I want pitches that look like actual football pitches, grass that is actually green and all that. Something that I notice every time I play is how the playing surfaces have gotten better yet the players look so out of place. The skin colours are wrong and the kits do not look proper.
Simply put there's a lack of individuality among the players. In both Fifa and PES it just seems as if players' faces and skin tones are put onto a template player and a few tweaks are made. Which is fair enough, but if I have Peter Crouch and Jermain Defoe upfront for England then I should be able to discern those two from Rooney and Heskey.
This PES cycle has started a bit early but even then it seems a bit lacklustre. I hope that the majority will adopt a more laid back approach and make my job difficult this year because last year was turning into a 24 hour job.
Annual badger wordy post about computer games up in here, what nerds we still are.
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Dr_Theodore
Banned
- 13 April 2009
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
Yeah when PES gameplay was way ahead, we the community, could ignore poor production values etc (and on a PS2 there was only so much that could be done graphically etc). But really the lack of effort by Konami is becoming very boring. Can't 2K Sports make a soccer game....please.
Yeah when PES gameplay was way ahead, we the community, could ignore poor production values etc (and on a PS2 there was only so much that could be done graphically etc). But really the lack of effort by Konami is becoming very boring. Can't 2K Sports make a soccer game....please.
Nick Cave
Wrexham fan for my sins...
Re: PES2010 News & Rumours thread
The licences have nothing to do with the game play but they do have a lot to do with anyone wanting to make a marketable product, this means we have 1 or 2 large corps buying up all the licences and stifling the market...
The licences have nothing to do with the game play but they do have a lot to do with anyone wanting to make a marketable product, this means we have 1 or 2 large corps buying up all the licences and stifling the market...