PES 6 patches come with broken gameplay

FootballDog

FootballDog

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21 June 2024
Sorry if im posting this in the wrong place. I only use these forums for browsing mods and such but i had a question that doesn't seem to be answered anywhere else.

I recently downloaded one of those PES 6 patches that comes with all the updated teams and such but i had to uninstall it because of how garbage the gameplay was. Like as if the problems that people had with the original PES 6 were cranked to the max! The ball flies 30 kilometers into the air everytime you try to shoot and the ai constantly cheats and scores outrageous goals from any distance and under every circumstance. I've had it at one point where i was in training mode and stood in front of the goal at arms length and somehow managed to the hit the crossbar.

At first thought it was a PES 6 issue as i've never played the original game. But yesterday i installed it and the differences were like night and day! This game is actually fun as hell! Shooting is way better and the AI are fair and give me a good challenge. Whenever i lose a match in the original it feels more like my fault rather than the game purposely bullshitting me out of a win.

And its left me wondering what the hell that patch came with that broke the gameplay so badly?! It surprises me that more people don't talk about this, i've only seen 1 other person mention it in a video. That guy mentioned that it probably had something to do with the kitserver but once i checked inside it didn't come with anything that was remotely related to gameplay (Other than the speeder but removing that did nothing).

The patch i'm mentioning (PES 6 The Den Patch 2024), as far as im aware, doesn't originate from these forums. But i was hoping to see if anyone here has heard of the kitserver breaking gameplay or something similar to that. As for the time being i'll continue playing unmodded PES 6.

Any help would be appreciated, thanks in advance!
 
I'm not complaining, im enjoying PES 6 a lot! I just wanted to see if anyone could clarify what was wrong with that patch.
 
@FootballDog
Some patch makers stick with the original gameplay (which is the best gameplay) and others modify the gameplay. They alter things like speed and ball physics which can often lead to a bad PES experience. It ends up being a completely different game in a PES 6 shell.
If there’s not an option from the patch maker for original gameplay you could always request it in its original form.

This is original gameplay:
Thread 'PES 6 - The Original Season'
https://evoweb.uk/threads/pes-6-the-original-season.84466/

Fabri made a great patch and I can also attest to its greatest because I made the option file for it 😄
 
GroveStreet said:
That game is 20 years old, so imagine that there have been people who have played that game for 20 years - they need a challenge and that's the reason why they made those changes... At least that is the only excuse that I can come up with.
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It's only half valid of a reason. If someone were to be looking for PES 6 patches i imagine it's because they want the core PES 6 experience, with different teams and kits. If i wanted "Shoot the ball into orbit simulator" i'd be playing something else :LOL:
I guess the patch maker overcorrected the ball physics and broke everything in the process.

PES4eva said:
@FootballDog
Some patch makers stick with the original gameplay (which is the best gameplay) and others modify the gameplay. They alter things like speed and ball physics which can often lead to a bad PES experience. It ends up being a completely different game in a PES 6 shell.
If there’s not an option from the patch maker for original gameplay you could always request it in its original form.

This is original gameplay:
Thread 'PES 6 - The Original Season'
https://evoweb.uk/threads/pes-6-the-original-season.84466/

Fabri made a great patch and I can also attest to its greatest because I made the option file for it 😄
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Thanks for replying! Would you happen to know which files contain the speed/ball physics? Maybe i can tune them myself...
If not, then it's completely fine. I already asked the patch maker if he could send me the patch with the original PES 6 gameplay, and i'm waiting for his response (if he responds that is....).

I'll also be sure to try that patch out! I'm not a huge fan of the older seasons, but it's only because i don't know most of the players.
For example: It surprised me that Fernando Torres was playing back in 2006, i thought he started playing a lot later than that!
 
FootballDog said:
It's only half valid of a reason. If someone were to be looking for PES 6 patches i imagine it's because they want the core PES 6 experience, with different teams and kits. If i wanted "Shoot the ball into orbit simulator" i'd be playing something else :LOL:
I guess the patch maker overcorrected the ball physics and broke everything in the process.


Thanks for replying! Would you happen to know which files contain the speed/ball physics? Maybe i can tune them myself...
If not, then it's completely fine. I already asked the patch maker if he could send me the patch with the original PES 6 gameplay, and i'm waiting for his response (if he responds that is....).

I'll also be sure to try that patch out! I'm not a huge fan of the older seasons, but it's only because i don't know most of the players.
For example: It surprised me that Fernando Torres was playing back in 2006, i thought he started playing a lot later than that!
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https://evoweb.uk/threads/pes6-tool-collection-by-rechi-new-pes6-ballphysics-editor.81521/

There’s a gameplay tool called jenkey or something but can’t find it.
 
I am having quite diffrent experience. I feel like in the original gameplay the "shooting going into the sky" problem is way worse than in those patches that modify gameplay (like Firebird or Infinity). Also, I feel like the original gameplay feels way more "scripted", like the game really wants me to not score a goal, doing everything it can to prevent me from scoring.

How many matches I played on the non modified gameplay and almost wanted to throw the PC out the window when I played the most complex tiki-taka attack for 4min straight and finally managed to find that space in the oposition defence and making that perfect last pass to a player facing the open goal from 2 meters and clicking the shoot button with the lightest and shortest touch humanly possible, and yet he somehow sends the ball over the bar.

One time I even had a situation when I swear I clicked the shoot button and the player kicked the ball on the gound and to the side, like if I clicked the pass button instead. But I can assure you 200% it was the shoot button. Those modified gameplay patches are much better in terms of that kind of things.
 
lolek said:
I am having quite diffrent experience. I feel like in the original gameplay the "shooting going into the sky" problem is way worse than in those patches that modify gameplay (like Firebird or Infinity). Also, I feel like the original gameplay feels way more "scripted", like the game really wants me to not score a goal, doing everything it can to prevent me from scoring.

How many matches I played on the non modified gameplay and almost wanted to throw the PC out the window when I played the most complex tiki-taka attack for 4min straight and finally managed to find that space in the oposition defence and making that perfect last pass to a player facing the open goal from 2 meters and clicking the shoot button with the lightest and shortest touch humanly possible, and yet he somehow sends the ball over the bar.

One time I even had a situation when I swear I clicked the shoot button and the player kicked the ball on the gound and to the side, like if I clicked the pass button instead. But I can assure you 200% it was the shoot button. Those modified gameplay patches are much better in terms of that kind of things.
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Also because they don't completely change the game in its basics but they improve it.
 
lolek said:
I am having quite diffrent experience. I feel like in the original gameplay the "shooting going into the sky" problem is way worse than in those patches that modify gameplay (like Firebird or Infinity). Also, I feel like the original gameplay feels way more "scripted", like the game really wants me to not score a goal, doing everything it can to prevent me from scoring.

How many matches I played on the non modified gameplay and almost wanted to throw the PC out the window when I played the most complex tiki-taka attack for 4min straight and finally managed to find that space in the oposition defence and making that perfect last pass to a player facing the open goal from 2 meters and clicking the shoot button with the lightest and shortest touch humanly possible, and yet he somehow sends the ball over the bar.

One time I even had a situation when I swear I clicked the shoot button and the player kicked the ball on the gound and to the side, like if I clicked the pass button instead. But I can assure you 200% it was the shoot button. Those modified gameplay patches are much better in terms of that kind of things.
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At this point, it might just be strange game design. I still don't get how your player needs to be in the utmost PERFECT conditions to even have a CHANCE at scoring a goal. If your player steps on a blade of grass wrong or gets pushed by the lightest gust of wind, he sends the ball so far into orbit it would make Dario Benedetto proud.
At the very least, it seems that, in every other football game, you can score while sneezing, upside down, and with your bulge anytime, anywhere.
This wouldn't be a problem if they didn't make the shoot button ass-hair sensitive . You could dry shart on the shoot button and it would still fill at least 75% of the bar and kick it towards the nearest satellite.
 
One more thing that just came to my mind also is about goalkeepers.

Did you notice that in 1on1 situations they are really good, they save most of the shots in that kind of situations, if I am just a touch late on the decision to shoot - it's over, the keeper will save it.
 
lolek said:
One more thing that just came to my mind also is about goalkeepers.

Did you notice that in 1on1 situations they are really good, they save most of the shots in that kind of situations, if I am just a touch late on the decision to shoot - it's over, the keeper will save it.
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Actually, for one-on-ones you can easily score and it was the main reason i could score at all lol. If youre ever in a 1v1 you just do a fake shot by pressing square and then quickly X before your player shoots, the keeper literally falls flat on his ass and can't do anything afterwards. After you fake out the goalkeeper, the game gives your shots 101% accuracy for some reason and you can easily score.
 
FootballDog said:
Sorry if im posting this in the wrong place. I only use these forums for browsing mods and such but i had a question that doesn't seem to be answered anywhere else. I recently downloaded one of those PES 6 patches that comes with all the updated teams and such but i had to uninstall it because of how garbage the gameplay was. Like as if the problems that people had with the original PES 6 were cranked to the max! The ball flies 30 kilometers . . .
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UNDERSTANDING THE CHEATS THAT ARE HISTORICALLY INCORPORATED IN THE GAMEPLAY:

I'm a fervent fan of PES 2009, which uses the same arcade engine or at least is very similar. with a touch of improved animations and "more modern" graphics. The problem you are reporting seems to be related to the change in Boost levels with incidences of some insane cheat and scripts, this happens a lot in PES2009, which despite being one of the best gameplays I've ever seen. When we go through this type of situation, it is almost IMPOSSIBLE to play.

Sorry to disappoint you, but if PES 6 already had boosts as they existed since Pes 8, be sure that the modifications do not occur only through gameplay tools, but through a counter built into the executable. This should be similar to PES2009. Sometimes the game speeds up, CPUAI defenders become super powerful or the user's passes are broken, speeds are modified, the quality of goalkeepers changes and even shot directions become strange.
PES 6 should have a lot less cheat increases, but it still exists (what I assume). The reason why KONAMI inserted this since the classic PES, no one understands, nowadays they call it DYNAMIC gameplay, but no, it BREAKS the gameplay completely. Perhaps these instantaneous changes are strategic policies to force users to buy new versions and not just be satisfied with the previous version.

What I can tell you, this exists and it appears to be some accountant. Is it built into the game's .EXE?
Or in your /Documents folder in a file in your profile, in your OF or Settings.dat? Is it in a Data file in the installation folder?
We believe it is the fault of Kitserver or other modifications, but it is not always the case, as these changes will still occur at some point, perhaps these tools could worsen the results, but the broken Gameplay will eventually appear.
We don't know, but there is a change counter, perhaps sometimes random, that breaks gameplay at some point, possibly leaving you dissatisfied. I believe it is some file, your Patch must come with executables that are already widely used, so they must be undergoing high Boosts, but we are not sure which file is the villain.

THE UNIQUE SOLUTION I HAVE FOUND TODAY (Not sure, could be placebo):
I always Reset everything, re-install my PES09 and then try to apply my modified patches again. It's very work, yes? But least... I always manage to have 5 or 6 magnificent matches again or more.
I believe that at least in older football games, the style of the initial format that is applied after installation starts smoothly, there is no Momentum applied during matches as is the case in current Efootball or EA's insanities. In classics PES, I believe there are changes only before loading a new Match, but it always remains the same for the entire current match played. The initial gameplay in every pre-installation (without being a Mod patch), seems more realistic to the players' attributes and without major breaks or cheats, at least in the beginning, between the intervals of the initial matches. If you find which file modifies this, while using the same .EXE repeatedly every day, let me know!!!

SYSTEM SETTINGS (That's for sure):
It's always good to remember, check your machine quality or the graphics settings you use, too low may cause it to crash too much and perhaps too high may cause it to speed up... in relation to the system mechanisms you have. Try changing your settings used or checking different performance settings on your machine, especially if you are using emulators. I heard that since PES 5/6, the game engine was very sensitive to certain performance requirements, which many disagreed with and others agreed also interfered with the original gameplay. We generally played on consoles at the time, which preserved the exact configuration for the best quality, but when we moved to the computer, I believe that sometimes, adding the natural variations of the gameplay and depending on your system... things could change drastically or they don't adapt so well... Broke physics, it broke everything!
 
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FootballDog said:
Sorry if im posting this in the wrong place. I only use these forums for browsing mods and such but i had a question that doesn't seem to be answered anywhere else.

I recently downloaded one of those PES 6 patches that comes with all the updated teams and such but i had to uninstall it because of how garbage the gameplay was. Like as if the problems that people had with the original PES 6 were cranked to the max! The ball flies 30 kilometers into the air everytime you try to shoot and the ai constantly cheats and scores outrageous goals from any distance and under every circumstance. I've had it at one point where i was in training mode and stood in front of the goal at arms length and somehow managed to the hit the crossbar.

At first thought it was a PES 6 issue as i've never played the original game. But yesterday i installed it and the differences were like night and day! This game is actually fun as hell! Shooting is way better and the AI are fair and give me a good challenge. Whenever i lose a match in the original it feels more like my fault rather than the game purposely bullshitting me out of a win.

And its left me wondering what the hell that patch came with that broke the gameplay so badly?! It surprises me that more people don't talk about this, i've only seen 1 other person mention it in a video. That guy mentioned that it probably had something to do with the kitserver but once i checked inside it didn't come with anything that was remotely related to gameplay (Other than the speeder but removing that did nothing).

The patch i'm mentioning (PES 6 The Den Patch 2024), as far as im aware, doesn't originate from these forums. But i was hoping to see if anyone here has heard of the kitserver breaking gameplay or something similar to that. As for the time being i'll continue playing unmodded PES 6.

Any help would be appreciated, thanks in advance!
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Hi, greetings from Brazil
Download the PES6 BallPhysics Editor, in Gravity, in the third item change from 60 to 94 and see if you like it, just change this one, the first two are 0, it was the best thing I did, the shots got better and it reduces those exaggerated headers over the goal, beautiful goals are coming from outside the area, test it in training to see the difference, I hope I helped.
 
elbartoporra said:
Hi, greetings from Brazil
Download the PES6 BallPhysics Editor, in Gravity, in the third item change from 60 to 94 and see if you like it, just change this one, the first two are 0, it was the best thing I did, the shots got better and it reduces those exaggerated headers over the goal, beautiful goals are coming from outside the area, test it in training to see the difference, I hope I helped.
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Would you have the link?
 
there's another really enjoyable mod called "Superstar level mod", which introduces this difficulty to the game. To me it significantly ups the challenge while retaining the principles of the original gameplay! (I've only tested it on vanilla PES 6 gameplay or patches with the original gameplay and it works great) Highly recommended:

Superstar level mod: https://evoweb.uk/threads/pes-6-better-cpu-cpu-vc-cpu.94716/#post-3960024
 
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