PES 2018 PlayStation & Xbox Discussion Thread

Ameppe said:
No need to look at Fifa 14, every recent Fifa has better shooting variety than Pes unfortunately.

The most frustrating thing is old WE on Ps2 had more shooting variety and trajectories than a 2017 game.

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One thing I do have to say. Im so happy that for the first time ever we will have a really green pitch. goddamnit i cant stand watching pes5 unmodded
 
Except that rationale doesn't fly because of course it would be mocked, that game was released well over a decade ago on a platform that is three iterations old. That isn't the point. The point is, there are certain aspects of older PES games that should have been further built upon, or looked at in terms of inspiration for future titles. Which is quite amusing seeing as how old those games are.
 
Haven't seen any goals being nearly as entertaining and varied on Pes 16-17
Or at least I haven't scored any,I score about 4 different kinds of goals,and they're pretty much all from crosses and the odd long range rocket
Man I gotta go and buy a ps2 again
 
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As an aforementioned fuddy-duddy ML specialist, just wish they'd stop borking the mode with clearly bizarre coding. It's so infuriating having a match where your players look like they've never met each other and have no knowledge of this soccer-ball-thing.

On the same difficulty level that I'll suffer a 1-0 defeat in ML, I can literally put 7 or 8 consistently past the same opponent in exhibition. And the way it balances isn't for the other team to become better - which I'd be fine with to an extent - it's by making my lot forget how to play football. It takes all the joy of playing as X player that you've signed or developed.

And I don't remember it being like that - I thought the CPU just got loads better without crippling you. Anywho, same old rant, each year, never changes.
 
beachryan said:
Also shooting in FIFA is miles better. Don't like the game that much anymore, but shooting is varied and satisfying.
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Yep, I made the same point before. When I score in Fifa 16, it feels really great, like I earned it. The ball reacts so realistically to every bobble, scuff, slice, deflection etc. Previous PES games had this too, so why has it been abandoned?

Seriously, if Konami could just implement FIFA's shooting mechanics, it would be a near-perfect package to me.
 
bluewomble88 said:
Yep, I made the same point before. When I score in Fifa 16, it feels really great, like I earned it. The ball reacts so realistically to every bobble, scuff, slice, deflection etc. Previous PES games had this too, so why has it been abandoned?

Seriously, if Konami could just implement FIFA's shooting mechanics, it would be a near-perfect package to me.
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Has a pes game ever had amazing shooting mechanics though? The best pes games were 3 and 5 for me, 6 was ok too. But the shooting was never as varied as it is on the modern day competitors title.

I think as pes die hards we sometimes re invent how good the old games were....they were amazing but my memory tells me that the shooting was always quite straight and a little predictable

I could be very wrong as I hadn't played pes 5 or old pes games for long time now
 
guru83 said:
I could be very wrong as I hadn't played pes 5 or old pes games for long time now
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I agree with you, honestly - but for me, the point is that in those games, due to code being simpler (no "manual" to worry about), certain aspects were better (or, to make it non-subjective, deeper). Not the whole game. Just certain bits. As a consumer, it's a weird situation to buy the latest iteration of a product and find that it's worse in some respects (even if it's better overall).

The shooting in that video, which you aren't impressed by - as far as I'm concerned, a lot of those goals can't be scored in 2017. The ones right into the top corner from an angle, I don't see those in 2017. Hitting them from outside the box when you're in the centre, sure - thunderbolts abound. But from the side of the box, the keeper will have those covered every time (in my experience).

In 2017 you know what shots have a chance, and what has no chance - so you end up (even subconsciously) shooting from the same places all the time. You know it's pointless doing something different, so why would you?

(Maybe you could score them with manual shooting, once every 50 attempts, but to make a separate point - in those days, we didn't need manual shooting. The game balanced a striker's attributes with the situation to produce a realistic shot/aim/accuracy. That's been sacrificed in order to give us more control, but what we actually have is every strike of the ball being perfect and powerful.)

I couldn't go back and play PES 5 and say, like some do, "this is still the best football game ever". That's their opinion - and I totally get it too, given the above - but the passing is so on-rails and the AI way too cheaty because of the restraints on CPU/intelligence, for me to enjoy it. For all its faults, I prefer 2017.

But every review of PES around that time championed two things - "every game is different" and "every goal is different". I think the former is still true (though positioning intelligence has disappeared and the current implementation of tactics is a massive part of that). The latter, though? It's gone. (In my opinion.)
 
Chris Davies said:
I agree with you, honestly - but for me, the point is that in those games, due to code being simpler (no "manual" to worry about), certain aspects were better (or, to make it non-subjective, deeper). Not the whole game. Just certain bits. As a consumer, it's a weird situation to buy the latest iteration of a product and find that it's worse in some respects (even if it's better overall).

The shooting in that video, which you aren't impressed by - as far as I'm concerned, a lot of those goals can't be scored in 2017. The ones right into the top corner from an angle, I don't see those in 2017. Hitting them from outside the box when you're in the centre, sure - thunderbolts abound. But from the side of the box, the keeper will have those covered every time (in my experience).

In 2017 you know what shots have a chance, and what has no chance - so you end up (even subconsciously) shooting from the same places all the time. You know it's pointless doing something different, so why would you?

(Maybe you could score them with manual shooting, once every 50 attempts, but to make a separate point - in those days, we didn't need manual shooting. The game balanced a striker's attributes with the situation to produce a realistic shot/aim/accuracy. That's been sacrificed in order to give us more control, but what we actually have is every strike of the ball being perfect and powerful.)

I couldn't go back and play PES 5 and say, like some do, "this is still the best football game ever". That's their opinion - and I totally get it too, given the above - but the passing is so on-rails and the AI way too cheaty because of the restraints on CPU/intelligence, for me to enjoy it. For all its faults, I prefer 2017.

But every review of PES around that time championed two things - "every game is different" and "every goal is different". I think the former is still true (though positioning intelligence has disappeared and the current implementation of tactics is a massive part of that). The latter, though? It's gone. (In my opinion.)
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Good post and I agree

Pes 2015, 2016, 2017 have all been predictable games..

I got very bored with all 3 after just a few months

My big fear for pes 2018 is yet more predictable goals

That feeling of the CPU doing a lot of the work for you

The automated flicks and backheels look and feel wrong to me as well
 
guru83 said:
Good post and I agree

Pes 2015, 2016, 2017 have all been predictable games..

I got very bored with all 3 after just a few months

My big fear for pes 2018 is yet more predictable goals

That feeling of the CPU doing a lot of the work for you

The automated flicks and backheels look and feel wrong to me as well
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Couldn't agree more Guru83. How hard is it for us to have 2 really top notch footy games?
 
Chris Davies said:
The weird thing is, the CPU did work for you in the old PES games, but because attributes governed it, there was a greater variety of goals.
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I would regularly try an ambitious effort with a dodgy Default ML player on PES 5 for instance and watch it swerve off and scare the Corner Flag... or to hit the fans sat on top of the roof of the stadium...
 
Chris Davies said:
The weird thing is, the CPU did work for you in the old PES games, but because attributes governed it, there was a greater variety of goals.
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the old PES games were extremely satisfying and would keep me playing all year round

No football game keeps me gripped anymore maybe because I am a lot older but...i dunno

I enjoyed pes 2018 beta immensely but shooting still doesn't feel right

no point bringing it up with konami though as there are lots of people that love the automated arcadey style goals
 
Chris Davies said:
I agree with you, honestly - but for me, the point is that in those games, due to code being simpler (no "manual" to worry about), certain aspects were better (or, to make it non-subjective, deeper). Not the whole game. Just certain bits. As a consumer, it's a weird situation to buy the latest iteration of a product and find that it's worse in some respects (even if it's better overall).

The shooting in that video, which you aren't impressed by - as far as I'm concerned, a lot of those goals can't be scored in 2017. The ones right into the top corner from an angle, I don't see those in 2017. Hitting them from outside the box when you're in the centre, sure - thunderbolts abound. But from the side of the box, the keeper will have those covered every time (in my experience).

In 2017 you know what shots have a chance, and what has no chance - so you end up (even subconsciously) shooting from the same places all the time. You know it's pointless doing something different, so why would you?

(Maybe you could score them with manual shooting, once every 50 attempts, but to make a separate point - in those days, we didn't need manual shooting. The game balanced a striker's attributes with the situation to produce a realistic shot/aim/accuracy. That's been sacrificed in order to give us more control, but what we actually have is every strike of the ball being perfect and powerful.)

I couldn't go back and play PES 5 and say, like some do, "this is still the best football game ever". That's their opinion - and I totally get it too, given the above - but the passing is so on-rails and the AI way too cheaty because of the restraints on CPU/intelligence, for me to enjoy it. For all its faults, I prefer 2017.

But every review of PES around that time championed two things - "every game is different" and "every goal is different". I think the former is still true (though positioning intelligence has disappeared and the current implementation of tactics is a massive part of that). The latter, though? It's gone. (In my opinion.)
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On the money there Chris,every game/goal came out differently back then,and like I wrote before,I score pretty much 3-4 different game types of goals now,shooting from an angle,first or far corner,hasn't happened to me on 17 except from a free kick
Great post
 
I know I shouldn't compare to the competitions game here,but bare with me for a second mr moderators, I'll be quick
I'm halfway through my ML season (restarted after being away from it for about 6 months)
Starting to feel bored with it,same goals being scored by me constantly.
The reason I keep playing Pes 17 is the rest,I love,or at least care very fondly for it.
But played a game on the completions game last nigh (15)
Managed to win that game 3-1.

All my three goals were something I haven't scored on Pes in a long time.

1.shoot from outside the box,with a deflection from a defender,the GK getting a hand on it before it slowly rolled in behind him
2.came in from the left,defender chasing me,one on one with the keeper,curled it past the goalie,low,and post in.
3. Counterattack long ball over their last two defenders,keeper came out,I placed itbetween the legs of him.

Point being this,3 kinda ordinary goals,nothing spectacular,but three goals a goal scorer would get every now and then.
Most importantly....I remember them!
Even today when I woke up,played a ML game last night to where I scored 3 goals vs Roma,and I remember one of them.
So please konami,more variation
 
Ameppe said:
No need to look at Fifa 14, every recent Fifa has better shooting variety than Pes unfortunately.

The most frustrating thing is old WE on Ps2 had more shooting variety and trajectories than a 2017 game.

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Couldn't agree more Ameppe, some excellent goals there. I particularly liked the Deco one. And the direct free kick and that Gazza goal excellent stuff. It really did or does (I've started playing it again) matter what player you use. Before a match I would have to check who had the Middle Shooting skill and what footed each player was because it made a big difference to the shots.

Jimi_Zuko said:
Had that pes 5 video had been pes17 or even 18, all of us here would be cracking the shits saying, games broken perfect 1st time shots, keepers are broken,etc
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But it is a best goals compilation so the shots will be good, in PES 5 shots would be all over the place sometimes. Yep there were a few times that the GK didn't move but when it's played in real time and a player scores from a powerful shot, sometimes it makes sense when the GK doesn't move. That is stat based too, if my GK has conceded a goal like that or made a few mistakes there had been times when I had to sub him and you can tell the difference. ;)
 
guru83 said:
loved pes 5 but it looks and feels extremely dated now
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This. One hundred percent this.

I loved PES 5, and PES 4 too, to be honest, but I admit they feel dated now.
I still play them from time to time (you know, nostalgia) but I've always tried to avoid seeing them through the rose-tinted glasses many seem to still have.
 
Redhat said:
Except that rationale doesn't fly because of course it would be mocked, that game was released well over a decade ago on a platform that is three iterations old. That isn't the point. The point is, there are certain aspects of older PES games that should have been further built upon, or looked at in terms of inspiration for future titles. Which is quite amusing seeing as how old those games are.
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Agree totally
 
Chris Davies said:
I agree with you, honestly - but for me, the point is that in those games, due to code being simpler (no "manual" to worry about), certain aspects were better (or, to make it non-subjective, deeper). Not the whole game. Just certain bits. As a consumer, it's a weird situation to buy the latest iteration of a product and find that it's worse in some respects (even if it's better overall).

The shooting in that video, which you aren't impressed by - as far as I'm concerned, a lot of those goals can't be scored in 2017. The ones right into the top corner from an angle, I don't see those in 2017. Hitting them from outside the box when you're in the centre, sure - thunderbolts abound. But from the side of the box, the keeper will have those covered every time (in my experience).

In 2017 you know what shots have a chance, and what has no chance - so you end up (even subconsciously) shooting from the same places all the time. You know it's pointless doing something different, so why would you?

(Maybe you could score them with manual shooting, once every 50 attempts, but to make a separate point - in those days, we didn't need manual shooting. The game balanced a striker's attributes with the situation to produce a realistic shot/aim/accuracy. That's been sacrificed in order to give us more control, but what we actually have is every strike of the ball being perfect and powerful.)

I couldn't go back and play PES 5 and say, like some do, "this is still the best football game ever". That's their opinion - and I totally get it too, given the above - but the passing is so on-rails and the AI way too cheaty because of the restraints on CPU/intelligence, for me to enjoy it. For all its faults, I prefer 2017.

But every review of PES around that time championed two things - "every game is different" and "every goal is different". I think the former is still true (though positioning intelligence has disappeared and the current implementation of tactics is a massive part of that). The latter, though? It's gone. (In my opinion.)
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Excellent post. Potentially the main reason why the golden generation was so much fun. It had so much variables in the shooting that goals felt rewarding to score.

That has been lost now. Shooting is limited, one dimensional and you can always predict a certain parry/save/fumble when shooting from certain positions and angles. Plus all shots are way over powered zippers that rarely have variety in height.

I hope 2018 addresses this, i haven't played it so cannot comment
 
All these posts on shooting and we're forgetting the most important part about the new PES game. Updated faces. And nets. But this is just about faces for now.

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faces faces faces that's all anyone seem to ask about when official pes twitter posts news and other things

don't get me wrong, the bells and whistles are good but let's address key components before telling your loyal customers have included 3,756 new faces...

address Master League, address shooting, more stadiums or stadium editor like pes 2013

These are huge aspects of pes that we all want fixed and addressed
 
tomj said:
All these posts on shooting and we're forgetting the most important part about the new PES game. Updated faces. And nets. But this is just about faces for now.

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I can not describe how excited i am for this game. it has been a long time that i have experienced this feeling.
waiting for the demo feels like forever!
i am at an age were things like this don't really have such an impact on me anymore but
this year i am constantly online looking for any info about this game.
yup, its been a while..............feels good.
 
RAMAXWY said:
I can not describe how excited i am for this game. it has been a long time that i have experienced this feeling.
waiting for the demo feels like forever!
i am at an age were things like this don't really have such an impact on me anymore but
this year i am constantly online looking for any info about this game.
yup, its been a while..............feels good.
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that old feeling of being excited about pes again is definitely back.

hope there is good option file available on release day
 
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