Chuny
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- 11 December 2007
See what I mean?
You should definetely try Advanced. As well as Manual Passing.
You might get VERY frustrated and hate the whole game at first, but once you master it, it changes the overall experience.
PES 2018 PlayStation & Xbox Discussion Thread
- Thread starter ThomasGOAL
- Start date
See what I mean?
You should definetely try Advanced. As well as Manual Passing.
You might get VERY frustrated and hate the whole game at first, but once you master it, it changes the overall experience.
gabe.paul.logan
Retired Footballer
Tried. I dont like them. No stats involved but we all going trough this conversation every year 
tweaked shooting is not a solution for me. Stat based shooting it is which is absent since 2013.
tweaked shooting is not a solution for me. Stat based shooting it is which is absent since 2013.
vialli82
International
- 4 September 2005
- Juventus
I thinks people wants ball physics like Fifa in terms of shooting, not like PES 1>2013 era.
But there's two issues about shooting that people seems to mix without :
- Lacks of difficulty while shooting in a certain position, making some shots completely missed (>> Like in some older PES)
- Ball physics too "straight" while shooting, the ball trajectory don't deflect/change as much when it's in the air.
As for example the ball rolling, curving, the "vs wind" taken in account, which can makes subtle change of directions (>> Like in Fifa)
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shez
League 1
- 19 August 2005
The technology at that time was stretched to the limits to achieve.
The technology today isn't capable of doing anything better?...15 years of nothing?
And as for the guy calling me blind and disabled, I rest my case.
Dave Wallace
Non-League
- 23 June 2017
As a first time poster on here but longtime lurker I had to sign up to post Lami is on the money that is probably one of the best forum posts I've read.
Unfortunately whenever anything is feedback to Konami via here , Pesfan or Wenb it isn't taken on board and I've seen alot of Lami's interactions with People and he is literally labelled a troll for pointing out fundamental issues with Pes.
You can retweet all the praise tweets you want but the games been whack since 2008.
Every year it's the same 'friends' playing the game who rave and rave about it until release then we get the BS blanket of silence from them all. Until there needed to boost community hype for the next release.
B-Man is looking like a genuine no nonsense guy despite having friendships at Konami just hope he isn't swayed and gives an honest assessment going forward as he has.
Curdstar I was a longtime WENB lurker before it went to pot and your personal attack on Lami is uncalled for. It's well known you were within the WENB inner circle and probably still are. He's not attacking your friends just pointing out fundamental issues that keep getting ignored.
Great debates though.
Unfortunately whenever anything is feedback to Konami via here , Pesfan or Wenb it isn't taken on board and I've seen alot of Lami's interactions with People and he is literally labelled a troll for pointing out fundamental issues with Pes.
You can retweet all the praise tweets you want but the games been whack since 2008.
Every year it's the same 'friends' playing the game who rave and rave about it until release then we get the BS blanket of silence from them all. Until there needed to boost community hype for the next release.
B-Man is looking like a genuine no nonsense guy despite having friendships at Konami just hope he isn't swayed and gives an honest assessment going forward as he has.
Curdstar I was a longtime WENB lurker before it went to pot and your personal attack on Lami is uncalled for. It's well known you were within the WENB inner circle and probably still are. He's not attacking your friends just pointing out fundamental issues that keep getting ignored.
Great debates though.
Bravez
Championship
- 26 June 2005
It's like you ignored the bit where I said it can definitely be better.
Just highlighting that older games seem to have been elevated and theyd be picked apart like now if there was an alternative doing better things. They won't fix everything at once and they've surprised me with how much they appear to have done this year. So much so that I'm happy to give a pass on some things with some confidence that they're finally making strides. This is a game which finally looks like it's been finished and the engine is understood.
curdstar
Premier League
- 19 September 2006
- PES4 Partick Thistle
Tried. I dont like them. No stats involved but we all going trough this conversation every year
Advanced Shooting is stat based, more than Basic is. Basic is stat based as well but is more heavily assisted, just like it was back in the day; you pressed shoot back in the old days and the ball headed towards the vicinity of the goal.
For someone looking for a SIMULATION you are wanting simple, ARCADE like mechanics? This is why both the words "simulation" and "arcade" should be banned from conversation about these games entirely. They have lost all meaning and relevance.
Chuny
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- 11 December 2007
Sounds like Gabe doesn't want to waste time with the steep learning curve Advance Shooting requires.
Which again for people looking for the ultimate football simulator, feels very cheap.
It's like a 12 year old kid who has played football for some time to want to be just as good as Messi but gets frustrated when confronted with trainning methods to improve his game.
Which again for people looking for the ultimate football simulator, feels very cheap.
It's like a 12 year old kid who has played football for some time to want to be just as good as Messi but gets frustrated when confronted with trainning methods to improve his game.
gabe.paul.logan
Retired Footballer
If you want to play advanced shooting. Fine. I just dont.
The impact of the stats made old PES games sim+ body position + surrounding elements. Both for passing and shooting. They arent in 2014,2015,2016,2017 and in these department 2018 looks the same so far.
The impact of the stats made old PES games sim+ body position + surrounding elements. Both for passing and shooting. They arent in 2014,2015,2016,2017 and in these department 2018 looks the same so far.
vialli82
International
- 4 September 2005
- Juventus
At the first time, shooting looked "fine" at least "promising", and now on it's the same shit as older PES... Even worst for some members, who seriously needs to balance their own judgement and point of view on what's good, better, or not at all.
Wait a bit to play the beta at least...
Wait a bit to play the beta at least...
Chuny
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- 11 December 2007
Are you sure? Because PES 5-6 (and older versions) were actually more of a pick-up-and-play game, where you didn't need to learn much and there weren't many options to change shooting system. So you were stuck with that but it was easy enough to get the hang of.
curdstar
Premier League
- 19 September 2006
- PES4 Partick Thistle
I like PES2017's Advanced Shooting, which is stat based. Five seasons into an ML and using nothing but Advanced Shooting since I got the game on release day (apart from when I went to test Basic and Manual briefly, especially after conversations around Basic shooting) informs me that is very much the case. If it weren't then the ML Default forward I had at the start of my campaign would still be playing up top and not Nilmar or Maxi Lovera.
I can feel it immediately when I am using Basic as opposed to Advanced when considering things like power, placement and technique. There is still some of things with Basic, but nowhere near the level that is apparent with Advanced.
Bond!JamesBond!
PS2 PES Greatness
people just don't notice things, and then say it's the same game. New penalty kicks can be smashed with power now, plus that shity out dated camera (i hated) has finally bin replaced.
Now, if we could just get penalties from AI, so i can try it out.
If you want to play advanced shooting. Fine. I just dont.
The impact of the stats made old PES games sim+ body position + surrounding elements. Both for passing and shooting. They arent in 2014,2015,2016,2017 and in these department 2018 looks the same so far.
wrong
Chuny
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- 11 December 2007
Bryan just solved one of my two questions:
gabe.paul.logan
Retired Footballer
Please tell that to others who are praising the game as well!
Srsly.
Honestly thats great you can get along with it.
Yet i had to play ISS2 from 8pm til 8am for the first time to beat my brother who had experience bc before i only played TIF and FIFA.
Chuny
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- 11 December 2007
Second Question:
gabe.paul.logan
Retired Footballer
no catch up sounds great
Aside from corners and throw-ins there are precious few stoppages, with referees keen to let the game flow. 50-50 – occasionally even 70-30 – challenges which might be fouls in real life are sometimes let go. For many fans that was a controversial call in PES 2017, and will likely remain so here.
The above is from gamesradat article..whilst the game looks good if not slightly arcadeish the lack of fouls is by design from Konami. Still very few pens it seems
The above is from gamesradat article..whilst the game looks good if not slightly arcadeish the lack of fouls is by design from Konami. Still very few pens it seems
Chuny
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- 11 December 2007
Is this your point, Gabe?
TIS and FIFA were NOTHING back then. And I mean it: NOTHING. You could hardly call that football, let alone simulators.
No wonder why you had to play 12 straight hours to start feeling like you were achieving something in ISS.
It's like they tied both your legs together for 2 whole years disabling you from moving them, and then one day, they cut the rope loose and said "hey let's go play football outside" and expect you to play like you used to (whether that's good or bad in itself, LOL)....
gabe.paul.logan
Retired Footballer
Now what are you trying to say? New age PES shooting is identical to old PES shooting?
Chuny
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- 11 December 2007
No, no way.
I'm saying there's an extra layer now which you are free to try and learn.
If you don't want to, it's fine. But don't come and say shooting is shit, or stats don't matter, or it doesn't feel rewarding to score, or whatever other reasons I've read from the people who hates shooting. Could it be better? Hell yeah, it could be a lot better. Like in FIFA 16. But if you care enough then, why don't you dedicate the same time you spend complaining about it to learning how to work with Advanced Shooting and Manual Passing?. THEN you can say it's bad, basic or whatever.
Isn't it surprising to you that my first question (ever) to you was: Are you talking about Basic or Advanced shooting?......
If this is an effect only for him...
gabe.paul.logan
Retired Footballer
Advanced shooting was broken in 2015 and 2016 it hit the top post 8/10 times. Really stat matter in that case? And personally i think its way too overthought system. It could make only sense if you play Be a Legend with behind the player camera, other cases its just a..."why did you make it like this?" case to me.
And manual? No just doesnt make sense that stats working.
Stats wrapped around assisted settings. Higher stats means easier to play with higher success ratio, lower means harder with lower ratio. That scale in 2015-2018 is not wide enough. Hence no impact of stats.
curdstar
Premier League
- 19 September 2006
- PES4 Partick Thistle
Ever since I went missing from the site, which was nothing to do with the site or the people behind it, but other aspects of my life taking over (for better and worse) I haven't attended a playtest event since 2012, for PES2013. I am currently enjoying just being a fan, but have been mulling over getting back involved in things in some way, but more likely my own venture. I might, if the guys were allowed to and they would want me to, be allowed some access, but it would be very much my own take and approach. That is to look to try represent fans my age (I'm 42 next month, so probably an older audience) while still sticking to my roots and what I want from a football game.
I am not in some inner circle but yes, Adam, Asim, Thomas and others are folk whom I would consider as friends. That is not my angle, and I wasn't attacking Lami, at least not intentionally, and more trying to point out being politically incorrect, saying whatever is on your mind and not caring who likes it or not or who is offended, but still getting wound up about those people not listening, really would be a fools errand, and would come across as schizophrenic.
I gave Lami an example of that when referring to what I thought about his post, but also him in general, and how that contrast could clearly impact on quality of communication, the likelihood is he would focus more on the first part of my statement as opposed to the second. The first part of my statement would likely drive how he would communicate or interact. Knowing your audience and sometimes actually not speaking your mind or with raw emotion all the time is actually a quality, not a weakness, when considering communication and particularly when offering feedback. I was highlighting that.
Another thing that is a quality is knowing when you are wrong and look to correct, so yes, absolutely, I should've been less course with my example when replying to Lami.
Chuny
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- 11 December 2007
OK Gabe. We just won't agree on this. Where you see black, I see white.
I see a bright future (near future) for PES. And I'm very excited.
In fact, I'm so excited that I've just bought these two babies
And I'm waiting for PES 2018 with open arms.
Matt10
International
- 5 February 2004
I think credit has to be made to Adam and Asim. They are in a very tough position to please PES fans. That is seriously a daunting task. Not only that they have to make PES fans happy, they also have to sell to the non-PES fans, to make more money so the PES fans can be happy with a product in the first place. The biggest issue is that they need to sell a product that falls short of licensing. I am a tech support engineer, and sometimes the make/break of our product being used is an additional click, and the validity of that click being necessary or not. Put it into perspective of what Adam/Asim have to work with, and now the request that someone has to download an option file to get their favorite teams/players is an additional click.
I don't loathe their jobs, but I also don't feel sorry as they are the ones who chose it. The improvements that I can see in PES 18 look absolutely amazing. I know they are listening to us, but I also know they are accountable to listen to the data they receive. If the data doesn't support the demand, then how can they logically execute a gameplan? How can they tell their superiors that this is the direction to go, without any fundamental evidence of data that supports the decision?
The catch all, is pride, and it's the pride of the developers that need to release sliders upon PES. That's the best thing I would recommend at this point. I would not even be touching FIFA if it did not have sliders. Gameplay customization is not a way to accept defeat, it's a way of giving options and options are always far superior than forcing limitations.
I don't loathe their jobs, but I also don't feel sorry as they are the ones who chose it. The improvements that I can see in PES 18 look absolutely amazing. I know they are listening to us, but I also know they are accountable to listen to the data they receive. If the data doesn't support the demand, then how can they logically execute a gameplan? How can they tell their superiors that this is the direction to go, without any fundamental evidence of data that supports the decision?
The catch all, is pride, and it's the pride of the developers that need to release sliders upon PES. That's the best thing I would recommend at this point. I would not even be touching FIFA if it did not have sliders. Gameplay customization is not a way to accept defeat, it's a way of giving options and options are always far superior than forcing limitations.
Dave Wallace
Non-League
- 23 June 2017
Fair reply having read my comment again I wasn't digging you out just an observation maybe a slight aggressive tone on my part but not intended.
gabe.paul.logan
Retired Footballer
agree Matt. best solution
Chuny
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- 11 December 2007
I agree about Sliders as well.
But maybe they don't want to come off as if they were straight up copying FIFA?. Maybe that's why they won't do it?.
But maybe they don't want to come off as if they were straight up copying FIFA?. Maybe that's why they won't do it?.