Re: PES 2015 Discussion Thread
That's the unfortunate truth isn't it. If people do feel the need for a football game then Fifa has become their trusted product. NO COMPARISONS INTENDED but it'd be silly not to look at that game viewed as The Complete Football Game To Go For if they want a game. I definitely get the impression that people (not us) are a bit more cynical about picking up games on a whim like they would have done pre-internet days so I do wonder if Konami have been making huge errors in assuming Western-gamers will maintain loyalty to the PES brand. We do, but then again we make time to come to a bloody internet forum to discuss (and complain about) the game. We aren't really a normal demographic, more extreme.
This is another reason why I don't understand Konami's decision-making at all and find it rather lazy despite their relatively decent efforts in the past few years. They seem like they've wanted people to convert from Fifa to PES over the past few years and it's been a futile effort for one reason or another. They've maintained a desire to produce a kind of arcade-sim combination but, in truth, that's basically what EA already do (and do it better judging by the eyes of many - whether that be for superficial reasons or not is another topic of debate). If Konami wanted to demonstrate a desire to be different, they could seek to offer an altogether new product which appeals by virtue of seeming new and shiny. That's how their games used to feel in the past but something that has become less true over the past 7 years.
As an analogy, it's a bit like Bohemia (Arma) trying to go up against Activision (CoD). They don't. They go for different audiences and the games could not seem more different despite being in the same military-shooter genre. Even EA (Battlefield) - a company who do for the same audience as CoD - have tried hard to ensure that they bring forward a product that seems different even if not better (judging, again, by the popular-vote).
I don't think the difference between Fifa and PES is enough and I'd love it if PES really did something new and exciting, rather than mundane and capable. If the series has any desire to actively attract people back to it then it's this so I hope they try it with PES 2015. Even then, it's just going to get the ball rolling and they need to maintain the same ideas over the next few years.
Good post.
The key is not to do the silly depressive attitude of looking at what could of been. This is a fear based western mentality. This ruins your awareness of the future since you refuse to accept you current reality infront of you. So you have no stable platform to build from and your not positive enough to remain aware of your own power.
The biggest issue here is in the past 7 years Konami have simply not invested or not had enough vision at an corporate level to make serious monetary investments in the game. This is the best way to look at it. Your right about ea. This is a company which has more money than sense, there is no thought process when a new console comes in and their ea sports department builds a brand new engine for all its sports titles.
Now combine this with the thinking process we see where people still in the ps2 mentallity expecting a complete PES package up to standards on all aspects when financially and throughout their entire staff roster they are incapable of doing so. Plus the awareness of many westerners to view other market sectors as less important than their own. Something I have learned on my travels is how big PES still is in Asia but South America especially. Everyone I've met plays PES! Also South Americans aren't as accustom to the new consoles, the ps2 was still the main console in Argentina in 2011 for example. Konami have done well to keep its biggest markets happy over these last 7 years to keep alive.
The main point we have to understand is to stop feeling sorry for ourselves so much as if we are victims of some Konami conspiracy to defaud us every year because the game isnt perfect. We are here in this situtation for a reason, not by accident, because we like Konami had no vision for pes's future back around the time of PES6 and complied with the lack of investment, it took 3 years to move to a new style and then finalize that style with 2013 and with 2014 upgrade of the graphics and physics to modern standards. The perfect game we expected was never going to happen. Konami where way way too far behind by the time PES 2009 hit and again recieved a technology upgrade far too late to nail the ps3.
We live in an extremely unfair world. You can always get somewhere forward by accepting whats there and why its there rather than complaining whats not there and losing sight of why it wasn't. Or better still if things are not there like you expect you can show your passion and move on to something you deserve.
I don't look at this as time wasted at all. We are here to all work together and create the best possible life for all of is collectively, I see this experimental period the last 3 editions have showed so many aspects and lessons learned, many tasks, trials and tribulations which needed to be met head on before progress.
This is the reality. The reality is konami in gameplay terms have shown everything needed to create succes on the next generation. The question marks reside over marketing, atmosphere and presentation.
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The Running animations in this videos of PES 2014 on the last page , looks so so bad and wrong (like every other PES game since 2007)
That's what I was going to write
