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PC PES 2014 discussion thread

I have downloaded it but can't see the change in faces, but all the teams have gone back to default names and kits. So i guess i have to patch it again from scratch?
 
Got this from the other Thread (Pros and Cons about the patch):

Shikashi said:
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Negatives
  • Keepers need to perform double saves much more often because they deflect shots a lot and then refuse to try to get the ball. They still push the ball into their own nets and cause own goals due to animation errors.
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That reminds me that the last time I have seen such a double save was when I played the Demo on the PS3 (can´t recall whether it was the US one or the WE one).

I´m at the end of the second season in Master League, have played many many matches but haven´t seen that in a single game. Not at my opponents keeper, let alone from mine.

That´s the problem when demos are always different than the Full Versions.
It seems to be that not only the negative aspects have been taken out of the demo.

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Or can anyone confirm the opposite? Full Retail wise?
 
I'm usually an online player, but it's down so I had a few games against CPU on patch 1.04.

The gameplay feels better, smoother, more coherent somehow. The CPU plays a more open passing game and difficulty has been tweaked (I got trounced 5-0 by Motherwell on Professional). This is good.

Manual passing still feels assisted, though must admit that it's possible to set-up some sublime and satisfying outfield passing moves. The beautiful game for sure.

(Manual) Shooting seems to have more power but does still feel floaty to me. And chipping the keeper still works most times.

The goalkeepers are AWFUL. They haven't been improved at all as far as I can see. Shocking goals, near-post. Totally out of position.

There are still moments of slowdown, but I think this is an animation issue. Watch players as they run diagonally when chasing the ball - it's those dodgy animations that give an impression of slowdown. There is some skating too.

I think with time I could overcome most niggles except the keepers. But litmus for me is online. Not feeling confident since they haven't fixed the lobbing exploit. I mean, c'mon - it's ridiculous. How could they not notice?
 
My ps3 is now broken. Which different pes on pc compare with console?
After new patch, game on console for me awesome, but what doing now - fix console or by game on pc?
 
losslesscompression said:
GamingDragons is not officially supported. Better to forward the question to them directly.
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yeah apparently so...I downloaded the patch from the official konami site and it doesn't work. I remember they sent me an email about downloading 1.01 so I just sent them an email asking if its the same for 1.04

Ok they replied me, u can download the patch from the same site as u downloaded 1.01. I just did and patched the game successfully. going to try it out now!

Cheers
 
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Earlier gripes notwithstanding, I've have some stonking games so far.

CPU is fouling and being carded (3 players in one game!), and is generally putting-up a good opposition. Plenty of variety in the play and some nice goals too. Goalies are not always rubbish - but wildly inconsistent. I think form has a huge effect on performance this year more than ever before. I can't gauge how much influence 'emotion' has, but I see there is an option to turn it off.

I normally would never play CPU due to obvious scripting, but I'm really enjoying this! Professional, full manual.

Really a big improvement, if not perfect.
 
Well James, if this piques your interest than you should :)

http://youtu.be/MikJbOoFX1U
I applied the normal power I would normally apply in situations like this and I was so glad it went in! cos pre-patch, it would never have enough power. I quite like the shooting a lot better now, keepers are still well, crap in the usual suspecting cases, thats one thing I hope konami fixes next. I would also test if increasing reaction of keepers make them better.

and a neat swerving shot from Rosicky http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=co-BLqfE_XY&feature=youtu.be , though the keeper saved it but I liked how the ball now bends like how it should when hit like that.

This is interesting. I also agree with everyone who said responsiveness has been increased. I also would say awareness too. I could be wrong but I did notice that without switching to defenders, they are more aware where the ball is.
 
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I'll give it a try I think. The main gameplay issues for me are shooting (long range and general lack of variety), goalkeepers (just shocking) and one dimensional AI team play. If shooting and keepers are improved then I'm back in. AI play can (hopefully) be fixed with patches.

To be honest I'm still waiting on the killer PC patches to improve this game. Most importantly, new stadia as I'm bored of playing in the same few grounds all the time. I'm one of those people that likes the off-the-field experience to be realistic too.
 
Ok, I have finally downloaded 1.04. patch and DLC 2.0 for PC. I only played PES 2014 on PS3 before, but that one broke on me recently.

Took ~40min in total. Not too bad.

However, I didn't trust much of opinions from users, so decided to see the changes for my very own self ;).

Played 10 games, Professional difficulty, 1 bar or 3 bars (for fun) support, basic shooting and through balls, all other stuff except Auto-Feints off.

Should I really put it in Pro/Cons style or go more elaborate here, let's see.

I will say straight off the bat, this is not what I expected (sadly, not in positive tone).

I won't go about things which are missing, because those couldn't be patched in anyway (rain, snow, overcast, afternoon matches). I will try and concentrate on things which could have been done, maybe later in summary I will post Pro/Con.

All of this will be about ON PITCH and not OFF (so no talking about Master League and such).


First thing is presentation and I thought the game would look super spectacular on PC, taking full engine capability. How shocked was I seeing it's not. Sure some details are better, textures are of higher quality (mostly visible on kits), but Level of Detail on some objects is just bad. So much pixelation it actually hurts your eyes.

Second thing, game as I heard, pre-patch was stuttering and having slowdowns on pre-match/replays. Sadly, it still happens my end on new patch. No luck here.

Third thing is our main dish: GAMEPLAY. I may sound rude, but it feels unnatural, plastic and I will put it bluntly: semi-arcade mish mash. Being die hard PES fan since beginning of the series, this is what I didn't expect in the slightest. Don't know what they wanted to achieve here, because it can have simulation moments only for something out of Arcade to break the illusion completely to pieces.

Let me elaborate on this some more. There is hardly any difference between players. Nada. People saying there is player individuality here, either only watch football on TV, never played football even on amateur level or never watched/played football at all. Sorry, but there is no difference between C. Ronaldo and Bale in terms of speed, acceleration, movement possible, passing. The same goes for Isco - Kaka comparison, both can be made to play SAME style. Xavi - Pirlo? Yep, no difference in passing at all. Even animation wise, there should be some passes ONLY possible for Pirlo. This is when human controls them players.

For AI player individuality is even worse. It doesn't matter what player rating AI is controlling, they will use ALL in same manner. I have yet to see C. Ronaldo doing chop in AI hands or Xabi trying long range shot...

Being amateur myself, I know that I have MY OWN style on pitch. I can SEE things others don't. I don't have laser eyesight to see players 80 yards away to play them perfect through ball (and that is sadly very possible on PES, over top through ball from defense to attack).

This is another thing I heard complains before, shooting.

Improved, but it STILL, for me, lacks power from long range and variety. Might add that R2 shooting is pretty much useless as even with bar fully powered, R2 slashes the power by 3/4. The ball lacks any ZIP like people like to call it.

Glad to see that rotation and spin is back on ball and that now it is possible to not shoot on target 99% of time. Shooting with weaker foot, goes wide now.

As we are with shooting, we cannot say anything about Goalkeepers.

Sorry, but I don't see any noticeable improvements. The can position themselves a little bit better yes, but they still do same mistakes I do remember them doing on PS3 pre-patch. That includes, punching ball into own net, parrying the ball straight under opponent feet, weak reaction or no reaction to chipped ball (which results in a lot of goals). Hard to beat from long range (that means from 30 yards and more). Very problematic if I dare to say so as we were promised IMPROVEMENTS here!

Now let's get back to AI in both offense and defense. Here is one of bigger and better things KONAMI did. Before, under pressure, AI would just hoof the ball forward and pray that winger/forward gets lucky bounce and gets through on goal for 1-on-1 situation.

Now they retain possession better, mostly know what to do with ball, they play with more variety, but in final third, they still are too reliant on low cross/pass to near post and tap in. Sadly, it will take a lot of work to get team tactics right. In defense they are hard to break. Still, on user side of things, central defenders STILL move out of position to mark the striker. NOT GOOD (made sure they are not on man marking too)!

Offensive AI for user still could do with little more work, as there is not much movement from players. You need to indicate runs with LB often, would love to see them run when there is occasion by themselves. Thank you. Och yes, user strikers still love to be 30 meters on offside at times...

Player faces in DLC are subpar quality. If that took someone two months, well, we are doomed. They look even worse than PES 2013 faces.

Last thing is also regarding presentation, but I find it very, very dull. No replays after half-time showing saves or goals or misses? Yes, when in game we are plagued with pointless replays all the time... Killing the game play fluidity. The replays are still capped at atrocious speed of 30 fps. They are in slow-motion... Again killing immersion of real speed of shot.

Can we also please in next PES have totally new commentary teams? Can't stand that boring Scottish/English duo anymore! My ears are BLEEDING hearing them. They make NO ATMOSPHERE. Turning them off doesn't help, as stadium chants/effects are just as bad.

Please in next PES also add more customization to cameras. Zoom out more, more height for starters would be good.

So to summarize:

Pros:

- there is still momentum/interia in place
- ball weight and physics are quite good
- better AI
- game feels more responsive
- game pace is spot on
- spin and missed shots added

Cons:

- GOALKEEPERS are still a MESS
- still lack of fouls
- presentation could do with bit more work
- user AI could be much better
- in final third AI is still reliant on same old trick

Less annoying stuff to be done:

- new commentary next year?
- new cameras?
- better faces and complete roster next year? ;)



For now that's it. Maybe will add more stuff later on or rephrase some stuff after playing some more. For now I am baffled as to where people see those huge improvements. Yes, they are there and yes, game is very playable now, but it is missing something like "soul" for me. For me fun factor is not yet there.

If someone views this as offensive post or over the top, be mindful that it's my opinion you don't have to agree with. Just move on. Not all people will enjoy the game and people need to realize that too. ;)
 
Game now stutters massively after patch. Rock solid 60 fps, but game speed is constantly taking micro slowdowns, very annoying. Tried every possible vsync and triple buffering combination with radeon pro as well, nothing works.

Whats up with those updated cyberfaces, most of patched ones looks like zombies and barely like real ones. They probably spent maximum of 5mins on each cf, huge fail.
 
@ temporaomores - You should post that in the console section, see how you get on. :))

temporaomores said:
First thing is presentation and I thought the game would look super spectacular on PC, taking full engine capability. How shocked was I seeing it's not. Sure some details are better, textures are of higher quality (mostly visible on kits), but Level of Detail on some objects is just bad. So much pixelation it actually hurts your eyes.
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Out of the box, the game looks a bit underwhelming unfortunately. The LOD Mixer tool normally rectifies this, but I haven't been following the patching scene over the last few weeks so I'm not sure if such a tool exists for PES2014 as of yet.

Konami's LOD settings are ridiculously conservative, presumably to help the game run on older systems. The LOD Mixer tool allows the game to show greater detail on distant textures and the game will look much, much sharper.

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Second thing, game as I heard, pre-patch was stuttering and having slowdowns on pre-match/replays. Sadly, it still happens my end on new patch. No luck here.
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Shame. No excuse for this really.

temporaomores said:
Let me elaborate on this some more. There is hardly any difference between players. Nada. People saying there is player individuality here, either only watch football on TV, never played football even on amateur level or never watched/played football at all. Sorry, but there is no difference between C. Ronaldo and Bale in terms of speed, acceleration, movement possible, passing. The same goes for Isco - Kaka comparison, both can be made to play SAME style. Xavi - Pirlo? Yep, no difference in passing at all. Even animation wise, there should be some passes ONLY possible for Pirlo. This is when human controls them players.

For AI player individuality is even worse. It doesn't matter what player rating AI is controlling, they will use ALL in same manner. I have yet to see C. Ronaldo doing chop in AI hands or Xabi trying long range shot...
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Glad it's not just me then. When I raised this issue in the console thread it wasn't received well.

I'm not trying to say there's no individuality in PES - it's still there but it feels less pronounced with each passing year.

When people talk about individuality being better than it's ever been I really struggle to see where they are coming from. My view is the complete opposite.
 
19MB of patch won't turn the game into something else. If it's not to your liking, this patch won't change it. Best to move on, and just enjoy whatever you're on currently.
 
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