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They need to sort out these referee kit clashes. Just played an AFC CL game as Kashiwa Reysol who play in all yellow.

What's the ref wearing? Yellow.

Tried to pass to him a couple of times.
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defade said:
Haven't tried playing online yet but things seem to be a bit better for me now. Sadly I've done several things so hard to say which one has made a difference.

1. Installed on my SSD system drive rather than my usual larger games drive.
2. Removed mystery folder I mentioned above.
3. Changed to Direct Input
4. Running in XP SP3 compatability mode (ignore the warning)
5. Back to vsync via d3doverrider again

Good luck :/
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Was does number 5 do? I thought vsync was automatically turned on in pes 2014?
With vsync turned off via driver/radeon pro I was getting 350+fps, the game experienced some minimal screen tearing but the major problem was this horrible microstutter that I kept witnessing. The input lag seemed better but that may be inc omparison to the new problems i had created.
 
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i think the vision and dieas is there but i feel the developers/testers are ametures. Or they only have 10 people working on PES.

A company as big as Konami should have 100's of people working on PES.

They are nearly as big as EA yet they make games as if they are worse then bohemia Interactive.

Boehmia Interactve for the record are a indy dev studio who work on the Arma Series. Much smaller then Konami yet offer slightly more feature rich games.

Why are Konami acting worse then Bohemia?

fair emough if you concentrate on gameplay and 1v1 online but get all of that right at least?

Get ML, MLO etc etc right and does it hurt to change the fucking UI?

My work mate here can design a better UI with his eyes closed.

Seriously this project has amature devs/testers or lack of numbers written all over it im afraid.

It is an amazing gameplay under the skin but the presentation and bugs annoy everyone.

i much rather theyc ut down on features, forget 11v11, MLO etc and get ML, UI and lag free 1v1 for all sorted with dedicated servers.
 
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Jamezinho said:
True, but I would rather trade-off imagination for immersion.

Immersion is always better than having to create scenarios for yourself, in my opinion anyway.
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Which brings me back to my original point, immersion is not something a game does for you but something you do with the game.
 
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ZeroTheHero said:
Which brings me back to my original point, immersion is not something a game does for you but something you do with the game.
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C'mon, that was a point when I was 10-12 and due to the lack of realistic ML and real stadiums in PSX-early PS2, you had to create some Fantasy Euro Leagues, so you were more or less in your own world. Today this doesn't work.

How would I be capable of playing a ML with Roma without Stadio Olimpico, present since PES 3, but surprisely absent this year (no wonder why Adam didn't answer a month ago if this stadium it would be there). I just can't.
 
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ZeroTheHero said:
Which brings me back to my original point, immersion is not something a game does for you but something you do with the game.
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Disagree. A game has to provide an environment to get immersed in.

We will never agree on this so I will leave it there.
 
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jonneymendoza said:
i think the vision and dieas is there but i feel the developers/testers are ametures. Or they only have 10 people working on PES.

A company as big as Konami should have 100's of people working on PES.

They are nearly as big as EA yet they make games as if they are worse then bohemia Interactive.

Boehmia Interactve for the record are a indy dev studio who work on the Arma Series. Much smaller then Konami yet offer slightly more feature rich games.

Why are Konami acting worse then Bohemia?

fair emough if you concentrate on gameplay and 1v1 online but get all of that right at least?

Get ML, MLO etc etc right and does it hurt to change the fucking UI?

My work mate here can design a better UI with his eyes closed.

Seriously this project has amature devs/testers or lack of numbers written all over it im afraid.

It is an amazing gameplay under the skin but the presentation and bugs annoy everyone.

i much rather theyc ut down on features, forget 11v11, MLO etc and get ML, UI and lag free 1v1 for all sorted with dedicated servers.
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Indeed. It's bizarre for company like KONAMI to release such incomplete product.

Seriously, look at Castlevania, Metal Gear Solid, Silent Hill series and then look at PES again. Is PES Team that incompetent? O_o
 
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pes2013ftw said:
So you think its realistic that Pique catches up to Walcott at full speed, and basically runs 3 times faster than him? Maybe you should go watch some soccer on tv.
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wtf ? You need to get your eyes checked by a doctor or something.
 
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Does anyone have a camera mod for this game? It looks off on a laptop.
 
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People don't get the difference simple ball can make at feet.

Ronaldo can run 90m within 9 seconds. Without ball.

Give him ball and let him run same distance. It will take twice (or more) as long.

Runner without ball will be faster. Pique is also tall and pretty fast when he gets running... but then he has trouble stopping due to momentum, so it is easy to leave him flat footed... ;)

Just saying. This game teaches you to take advantage of physics xD.
 
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Player switching really is a problem on manual (cue: the broken record). You can throw it on assisted but way too often it'll just ignore the switch to a player near the ball. Even manually tapping LB doesn't select him first a lot of the time so you have to cycle (why?). I don't know how it got out of Q&A to be honest. The game doesn't react well to loose balls I know that but it's so strange to play a ball through to another player, and them not to be the first player the game selects for you to switch to despite being 2 yards away.

I'd like to play manual but I don't think it's feasible. There's learning to play and then there's the game being counter-productive to the process for an arbitrary reason.
 
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info0 said:
People don't get the difference simple ball can make at feet.

Ronaldo can run 90m within 9 seconds. Without ball.

Give him ball and let him run same distance. It will take twice (or more) as long.

Runner without ball will be faster. Pique is also tall and pretty fast when he gets running... but then he has trouble stopping due to momentum, so it is easy to leave him flat footed... ;)

Just saying. This game teaches you to take advantage of physics xD.
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This. People like to moan cause they can't do the same sh.t anymore like they did in pes2013 and blame the game. Sorry, but no more running like a chicken with it's head cut off and score a goal without any kind of skills involved. Those days are long gone ;)
 
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@sportyfox I actually find dribbling in PES2014 more inventive and realistic than 2012 and 2013. The double touch of the sprint button in combinatioin with direction change and the ease of access to constructive feints on the right stick has made me able to score several half-pitch solo raids with both Lennon and Lamela in ML so far. As long as you learn to let got of the close control button, high speed dribbling isn't really very hard.
 
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i just like to mention, when this game is pretty it is freakin' insanely pretty and immersive.yesterday i was playing barca vs psg, i won first leg 1-0 due to a random non scripted goal,(amazing feeling\), while on the second leg away, i was losing 1-0 until a breakthrough the middle from xavi giving a trademark through ball to pedro who rounds off the keeper and slot home for 1-1, i progressed on the away goals rule,(fantastic feeling), but then next match, i had a bug filled experience!!!! my laugh was just for a matter of minutes....
 
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anyone in the uk with good connection who is on manual or has at the most 1 passing bar want to have some games?
 
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Bitter Rivals said:
anyone in the uk with good connection who is on manual or has at the most 1 passing bar want to have some games?
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What other settings do you play on? manual or advanced shooting? Can't guarantee I'll be available to play online later if I can't make some headway with this controller input lag
 
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I was playing a couple of matches yesterday, then I have switched the HDMI output onto Sky to watch the Italian derby - Roma vs Lazio. The first impression of watching this match was that the speed of match in Pro is exactly the same as the real match. Love it, seriously it's up to get the highest realism in the game.
 
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Everything that's wrong with PES 2014

-INPUT LAG
Player response is absolutely game breaking, patch 1.01 doesn't fix shit, player switching takes up to a second, unbelievable.
You see tons of loose balls situations where you can't do anything, its ridiculous. And if you get loose balls on your area, might as well
drop your controller. Players can't seem to do first-touch passes. Players don't seem to realize the urgency needed in each part of tne pitch, they don't try to make a pass faster when on a goal situations, they have to complete their slow as shit animation no matter what. Players really move like tanks

-GAME'S SO SLOW
Why did they remove the normal pace walk? Now they replaced it with a limbing speed or something, which is so slow you barely move. Now there's
two speeds. Full blast, and absolutely non-existant. Which brings me to...

-YOU CAN BARELY SPRINT ON DEFENSE
Wtf is this? You can run faster with the ball than with your defender, gone are the days where you could switch to all your defending players and perfectly accomodate them for the perfect defense.
Now on top of the 1-second delay for switching players, players seem to only walk on defense. How do you even hold on play?

-DEFENSE AI
The amount of stupid passes my defense let pass is off the charts, there's times the two CBs aren't even there and the CPU just passes it from the sides to the area.

-FREE KICKS
WTF IS THAT DOTTED-LINE? seriously wtf... oh and why do we have to use the right stick, what was wrong with left stick, stupid decisions that have no justification at all.
Also on goal kicks, your teammates drop to the sides, and everytime you want to pass the ball to him you have to move with the stick, which is fucking slow, to the side.

-SIDE THROWS
"Fast throws" are slower than normal ones. And since it's random when players decide to do a fast throw, often you find yourself in the pause menu wanting to skip like in normal throws.
Another stupid decision

-GK AI
Don't even get me started, wtf is up with this, 2013's AI was pretty good, they listed the "New GK AI" on the feautures for 2013, such a step back.


So far matches are full of amateur-like situations, defenses that open up for passes to be filtered, loose ball after loose ball in the area, players having to make like 5 maneuvers to do a 180 turn, etc.
Until they don't fix the input lag, I'm afraid I can't even play the game. I have a pretty good PC, getting 60fps all the time (except on cutscenes which everyone seems to hate too)
 
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I use basic assists but would always be up for a game. its the first PES i have wanted to play since the glory days on the ps2.
 
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if they could fix the defense awareness, goalkeeper and floaty shooting..it would be awesome. Having some awesome possession football.
 
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I cant believe they don't show connection quality before playing someone.

I am playing a ranked match and this latency icon comes up with 1 bar in the game when it is really lagging. bit of a joke really.

this game is amazing when it is smooth, I obviously want to avoid the laggy matches but there Is no way of knowing
 
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Vadim said:
I was playing a couple of matches yesterday, then I have switched the HDMI output onto Sky to watch the Italian derby - Roma vs Lazio. The first impression of watching this match was that the speed of match in Pro is exactly the same as the real match. Love it, seriously it's up to get the highest realism in the game.
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I couldn't agree more.
I've started to play on different speeds, depending on location.
ie, if I'm playing in a "warm climate," I use -1 and so on.
 
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It is placebo that the cpu keeps the ball more and more aggressive without the DLC installed ?!
800 MB is too much for just a couple of 3rd kits and 2 balls.
May be it's a new technique to patch gameplay without the need to submit it. :CONFUSE:
And I thought they might change but guess what it's the same old konami that keeps you guessing instead of a list of what has been added or fixed.
 
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Yes, it's placebo. I have matches where the CPU passes the ball a lot and others where it ships a through ball immediately after getting it.
 
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Game is amazing at times and frustrating at others.

I think the most important things that need fixing are:
1. Heading from crosses.
2. First time shots. More often than not, when I cross the ball low and press shoot the player controls it and gets stopped by the keeper.
3. Many fouls, obstruction in particular, are not called. This is probably a collision system problem.
4. Player awareness. Other than players just ignoring balls that pass right beside them, sometimes I select the nearest player and try to run towards it yet the player moves slowly as if he were being held back i.e. the oppositon must get the ball end of story.
5. Player switching.

There are obviously more things that need fixing but personally these are the things which have been 'ruining' my PES experience so far.
 
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