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gabe.paul.logan said:
Efficient defence in PES 2014

In short ways you have to defend like in a NBA2K game. Description:

(- defence line is always deep if im not on all attack and i use offside trap)
- if its not neccessary DONT attack the ball carrier by yourself
- always SEND 1 or 2 DEFENDERS(other player) to challenge for the ball, you just hold your position with the player who you play (try to select one NOT FROM THE DEFENCE not to confuse your defence ai by dragging away defenders)

CPU does it better than you, accept it! Try it!
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Yesss, hold the attacker, do not rush :))

On the pitch, this game has a lot more to enjoy than to complain about. Much more football than previous PES, oh an yes, the cpu does actually build up their play accordingly :WORSHIP:
 
It might be the downscaling of graphics on the ps3 or something but I feel the ball is too small. If you watch a real game in HD or play Fifa the ball is much bigger. Playing on CL with the orange ball on Pes is like passing around with an orange. From an aesthetical point of view it's kinda disturbing. There are a few balls that look bigger but most of them seem too small.
 
Anyone knows if in Master league dont have anymore the tired bar between games on the players??

Like a player that have too much starting games will be tired more faster??
 
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Deluxe said:
At last I will never touch any PES before 2014. The game is growing on me, slowly, but every day it's a +3 of love and -1 of hate.

Despite of the flaws, that i hope are very clear by Konami and i hope they will fix them on November.
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After growing on me for days yesterday I had a sudden -10 of hate.
They really have to patch the game to fluidify the whole thing.
 
gomito#10 said:
stop playing like fifa, fuck with your tactics
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LOL you didn't help me much there. I can sure play it like PES but if I do this game just frustrates me especially playing competion, the AI is messing my player's to the extent of pushing me to use shortcut like the FIFA L1+pass (PES R2+Pass) just to find opportunity to score or use the wing + speed burst.

That time when I used to pull of a good build up play and score and ask myself how did I do that as gone in PES 2014: Just when you think you pass to the left, the AI send it to the right... Just when you think you pressed close control, the AI send the ball far away... Just when you think you trapped the ball, the ball pass you through as if you were invisible... Just when you thought you shot, the AI makes your player make an unnecessary touch and you lose the ball... as you can see the list of Just goes on.

I might just agree with anyone who says FIFA is played on ice, PES is played in the sand.

PES 2014 is LOVE HATE for me. As of now, I have already destroyed my blur ray dis, then I missed it and went on to buy the digital version. So help me GOD I hope I won't break my PS3...


dannyfc2 said:
In a nutshell.

It's very hard to improvise. Every attacking play feels very predictable and inevitable. Might be a consequence of the response times, but you can't make split decisions like in previous versions. It's FIFA with an inertia system. It's a decent game but I don't like the direction they've taken it. People are too hung up on the tech to see it's limitations.
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+1
 
Qmatteuws said:
LOL you didn't help me much there. I can sure play it like PES but if I do this game just frustrates me especially playing competion, the AI is messing my player's to the extent of pushing me to use shortcut like the FIFA L1+pass (PES R2+Pass) just to find opportunity to score or use the wing + speed burst.

That time when I used to pull of a good build up play and score and ask myself how did I do that as gone in PES 2014: Just when you think you pass to the left, the AI send it to the right... Just when you think you pressed close control, the AI send the ball far away... Just when you think you trapped the ball, the ball pass you through as if you were invisible... Just when you thought you shot, the AI makes your player make an unnecessary touch and you lose the ball... as you can see the list of Just goes on.

I might just agree with anyone who says FIFA is played on ice, PES is played in the sand.

PES 2014 is LOVE HATE for me. As of now, I have already destroyed my blur ray dis, then I missed it and went on to buy the digital version. So help me GOD I hope I won't break my PS3...




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Wow.. i am sure we have different experiences here Matt. I thought there is no close control button anymore ? unlike 2013, it is all about, left stick, body strength, and timing to get away.. :))

Generally, shot is like 50ms after button pressed.. so yeah i get my self being used to think ahead especially for spaces and shot timing.

Nothing to complain there.
 
ridders1977 said:
Righto, I'm really enjoying the Pes experience so far, but I'm wondering if anyone has noticed this? I was playing a Copa Lib tournament last night and to give the semi final match more importance I went from 10 minutes halves to 15 minutes. I won't be game 6-1!!! I'd previously only been scraping through games.
It seemed that the games was pressurising me less? Or is this a coincidence?
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I've experienced this also. There's a definite disparity between League games and Cup games in the Master League. In my first season with an obviously weakened team, I topped my league (just) but I also managed to win the cup on penalties (against Chelsea).

It was even more pronounced in my second season. I beat Man Utd 5-0 at home in the cup, whereas I'm struggling with only 1 win in the first 7 games of the league. I think that either there is an extra difficulty on competition games (which Konami have done previously) which applies to the league, but not to the cup. Or the cup for some reason doesn't run on the same difficulty setting as the league?
 
Negatrev said:
I've experienced this also. There's a definite disparity between League games and Cup games in the Master League. In my first season with an obviously weakened team, I topped my league (just) but I also managed to win the cup on penalties (against Chelsea).

It was even more pronounced in my second season. I beat Man Utd 5-0 at home in the cup, whereas I'm struggling with only 1 win in the first 7 games of the league. I think that either there is an extra difficulty on competition games (which Konami have done previously) which applies to the league, but not to the cup. Or the cup for some reason doesn't run on the same difficulty setting as the league?
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It's more likely that they have the difficulty increase as you progress through the cup, which shouldn't be the case. The game difficulty in cups should also be dependant on the opposition
 
I don't ever recall FIFA allow you enough time and space with the ball. Enter specific radius in front of your opposition, boom, auto-tackle initiated. The close control is pretty much non-existent. Making wing play is the most viable option in most cases.

So no, this might share some similarity with FIFA, but the spirit of the game is still differs.
 
ridders1977 said:
Does anyone know how to import images on an Xbox for editing? What format do the images need to be?
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Check out Daymos facebook page he can help, and also has an option file on the go.

Well guys i've currently stopped playing Pes, after intitially enjoying it, but like some i think once the excitement dies down there is something elusive or missing about the gameplay and i deffo feel a lack of wow when i score a goal.

I mean i think it has something to do with ball physics. After playing Fifa 14 with my sliders reinstated the variation in shot types on manual is quite unbelieveable and i think thats what is missing with the ball physics.

Its far better than last years in some ways and weaker in others. I mean you cant hit bouncing shots or decent low shots (not the ones using y and manual) you cant really cut across the ball and finesse is completely broken and is tremendously hard to apply a nice curling finish from outside the box.

And then the keepers - i mean they are well improved but they feel unresponsive and a little generic. Again going back to Fifa, which may be an unfair comparison, but the range of animations compared to pes is significant, theres simply not enough.

I think also they made the tricks to hard to pull off. I liked the link feints last year that allowed you to pull a trick or two one on one, now you have to be really precise with the right stick, on a game that the a.i will close you down and fight with you for the ball, that isnt an ideal scenario.

So for now its back to fifa which has a lot more random events on manual with my sliders, but ill keep pes and watch for updates and see if they can improve it a bit. I loved the feel of the demo but theres something not right with the retail version.
 
Guys, this was my short review posted on Metacritic.

To say I am dissapointed is an understatement. I spent so much time checking PES 2014 news, screenshots, etc. What a waste.

Wow. I have been a PES fan for as long as I remember, back to the ISS days on SNES.

Konami has made mistakes on many of its games, and few are completely perfect. But there was always the magic there. A new game was always a joy to play, even in Free Practice mode.

So the dissapointment could not be greater. Especially after all the promises, the new engine, the heart feature, etc. Really Konami?

The magis is gone. PES has gone the FIFA route, but is years behind their formula. Sure the animations are better than ever, but it means the game is sluggish, waiting for the animation to run before a change in direction, shot, pass, etc. Very different to the crisp, immediate response of the ISS and PES games of the past. So, so far, from the great games like PES5/6.

The new engine novelty wears off very quickly, as it is a prettier game but by no means jaw dropping. Only a slight improvement. And football games are about gameplay, who cares about facial hair and more accurate lighting, when shooting feels unreal and manouvering in the penalty box is so sluggish.

Man covering is terrible. I cannot get my team to pressure or hold the formation I desire.
Konami have tried to make defending possible by implementing some ridiculous turbo gimmick. Your player slowly accelerates and then decelerates. Very very unrealistic. There is no player explosion, you have to wait for the players to slowly accelerate. Also running a 20m sprint is now impossible, as your player will decelerate and be caught by any defender like Vidic, etc.
It is a complete gimick and unlike real football.

In the end, this game is like a blow to the stomach. We knew Konami had problems with PES and going back to a new engine, with all their promises, would bring back the glory days.

Now, PES is even further away from the original formula. Looking without personality. It is a bland FIFA experience, sluggish, gimicky, licenseless.

PES 2013 is a much, much, better game.

:CONFUSE:

Love/Hate is really a lot more Hate than Love. PES2014 is not hard because of brilliant AI and difficutly, but because of frustration and speed gimmicks.
 
I'm right behind everyone moaning about the genuine problems in PES 2014 - the off-the-pitch crap, the useless goalies (especially at the near post), the slightly underwhelming feeling when you score sometimes (because of the poor defensive AI), the tendency to ship buggy goals, the tech issues (slowdown etc), the automated/magnetised chipped through balls to off-the-ball sprinters, the ridiculous lack of fouls, the lack of stadia and so on. These are all pretty grim - not what we should expect from a full-price game in 2013. There's a lot to moan about.

But I've got to be honest, 99% of the moaning about gameplay that I've read here really does seem to be a bunch of through-ball-spammers and footballing half-wits throwing their toys out of the pram. Some of the stuff people have been complaining about is ludicrous. Despite all the niggles, PES 2014 is an astonishingly realistic football SIMULATION, and it seems to me that a lot of people who've been asking for this for years don't really want what they think they want.

You CANNOT play this game like an arcade game. Well, you can... but you'll have a very unrewarding experience. You have to play slow, patient, realistic - I mean, way more than in previous PES games. You can't even play this game like PES5. I've been on 30 minute games, passing the ball round defence etc where necessary, taking my time with everything, allowing the cpu to have the ball where appropriate rather than rushing in, lots of square or backwards passing, adjusting the DF line to stop the computer pinging through balls past me... and it's fantastic. It's an incredible game. An incredible game with loads and loads of stupid irritations (all of which could, in theory, be patched out - because they're exactly the same irritations we got in previous PES games, and they've been successfully patched out in the past). But a really, really amazing game.

I'm not saying that everyone who complains about something gameplay-related which isn't on my list above is stupid, or knows nothing about football, or just secretly wants an arcade game or whatever. I'm just saying that a lot of people are so used to the usual "OMG Konami what are you doing" reaction, from recent PES games, that whenever something goes "wrong" for them they're reaching straight for the insults rather than suspecting for one second that they might be the problem, and perhaps they just need to learn a new skill, or apply some real-football knowledge to the problem. I swear I saw someone a few pages back say the game was shit because you can't score headed goals, or something like that (not you Zee, lol). I've scored bloody hundreds of headed goals. It's just that heading has changed in this game - it's become more realistic, rather than just button mashing / random. People moaning that their player doesn't shoot the instant they press the shot button, despite the fact that he's totally off balance and in the middle of a feint animation!! And so on. The answers to many of these "problems" lie in taking real-world understanding of the sport and applying it to the game. There's plenty wrong with this game that can't be fixed by changing your approach - but a hell of a lot that can.

One good patch and this could be far and away the best football game of all time. I wouldn't say I was confident that we'll get that patch - I know Konami all too well - but there's no reason why we shouldn't. And for now... well, it's still the best football game of all time. But that's just it - it's a FOOTBALL game. The many irritations are, well... irritating. But you write off PES 2014 at your peril. It's a great game. A great unfinished game. But still a great game.
 
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Pere Ubu said:
I'm right behind everyone moaning about the genuine problems in PES 2014 - the off-the-pitch crap, the useless goalies (especially at the near post), the slightly underwhelming feeling when you score sometimes (because of the poor defensive AI), the tendency to ship buggy goals, the tech issues (slowdown etc), the automated/magnetised chipped through balls to off-the-ball sprinters, the ridiculous lack of fouls, the lack of stadia and so on. These are all pretty grim - not what we should expect from a full-price game in 2013. There's a lot to moan about.

But I've got to be honest, 99% of the moaning about gameplay that I've read here really does seem to be a bunch of through-ball-spammers and footballing half-wits throwing their toys out of the pram. Some of the stuff people have been complaining about is ludicrous. Despite all the niggles, PES 2014 is an astonishingly realistic football SIMULATION, and it seems to me that a lot of people who've been asking for this for years don't really want what they think they want.

You CANNOT play this game like an arcade game. Well, you can... but you'll have a very unrewarding experience. You have to play slow, patient, realistic - I mean, way more than in previous PES games. You can't even play this game like PES5. I've been on 30 minute games, passing the ball round defence etc where necessary, taking my time with everything, allowing the cpu to have the ball where appropriate rather than rushing in, lots of square or backwards passing, adjusting the DF line to stop the computer pinging through balls past me... and it's fantastic. It's an incredible game. An incredible game with loads and loads of stupid irritations (all of which could, in theory, be patched out - because they're exactly the same irritations we got in previous PES games, and they've been successfully patched out in the past). But a really, really amazing game.

I'm not saying that everyone who complains about something gameplay-related which isn't on my list above is stupid, or knows nothing about football, or just secretly wants an arcade game or whatever. I'm just saying that a lot of people are so used to the usual "OMG Konami what are you doing" reaction, from recent PES games, that whenever something goes "wrong" for them they're reaching straight for the insults rather than suspecting for one second that they might be the problem, and perhaps they just need to learn a new skill, or apply some real-football knowledge to the problem. I swear I saw someone a few pages back say the game was shit because you can't score headed goals, or something like that (not you Zee, lol). I've scored bloody hundreds of headed goals. It's just that heading has changed in this game - it's become more realistic, rather than just button mashing / random. People moaning that their player doesn't shoot the instant they press the shot button, despite the fact that he's totally off balance and in the middle of a feint animation!! And so on. The answers to many of these "problems" lie in taking real-world understanding of the sport and applying it to the game. There's plenty wrong with this game that can't be fixed by changing your approach - but a hell of a lot that can.

One good patch and this could be far and away the best football game of all time. I wouldn't say I was confident that we'll get that patch - I know Konami all too well - but there's no reason why we shouldn't. And for now... well, it's still the best football game of all time. But that's just it - it's a FOOTBALL game. The many irritations are, well... irritating. But you write off PES 2014 at your peril. It's a great game. A great unfinished game. But still a great game.
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Its already in pc section

There is something strange. I realized that every player has the same speed and acc i guees. I checked it at training and no metter if we play Terry , Vidic Skrtel or Messi , Nani, Valencia. Anyone takes distance from box to box in 12 secound .I have tried this many times with a stopwatch in my hand and the result is the same :( So now doesnt matter you choose Xavi or Messi to your squad. Another joke from Konami .
I dont mind if there is catchup bug but this one is gamebreaker. This is way how they wanted to balance attack and deffence ? :(

 
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Pere Ubu said:
I'm right behind everyone moaning about the genuine problems in PES 2014 - the off-the-pitch crap, the useless goalies (especially at the near post), the slightly underwhelming feeling when you score sometimes (because of the poor defensive AI), the tendency to ship buggy goals, the tech issues (slowdown etc), the automated/magnetised chipped through balls to off-the-ball sprinters, the ridiculous lack of fouls, the lack of stadia and so on. These are all pretty grim - not what we should expect from a full-price game in 2013. There's a lot to moan about.

But I've got to be honest, 99% of the moaning about gameplay that I've read here really does seem to be a bunch of through-ball-spammers and footballing half-wits throwing their toys out of the pram. Some of the stuff people have been complaining about is ludicrous. Despite all the niggles, PES 2014 is an astonishingly realistic football SIMULATION, and it seems to me that a lot of people who've been asking for this for years don't really want what they think they want.

You CANNOT play this game like an arcade game. Well, you can... but you'll have a very unrewarding experience. You have to play slow, patient, realistic - I mean, way more than in previous PES games. You can't even play this game like PES5. I've been on 30 minute games, passing the ball round defence etc where necessary, taking my time with everything, allowing the cpu to have the ball where appropriate rather than rushing in, lots of square or backwards passing, adjusting the DF line to stop the computer pinging through balls past me... and it's fantastic. It's an incredible game. An incredible game with loads and loads of stupid irritations (all of which could, in theory, be patched out - because they're exactly the same irritations we got in previous PES games, and they've been successfully patched out in the past). But a really, really amazing game.

I'm not saying that everyone who complains about something gameplay-related which isn't on my list above is stupid, or knows nothing about football, or just secretly wants an arcade game or whatever. I'm just saying that a lot of people are so used to the usual "OMG Konami what are you doing" reaction, from recent PES games, that whenever something goes "wrong" for them they're reaching straight for the insults rather than suspecting for one second that they might be the problem, and perhaps they just need to learn a new skill, or apply some real-football knowledge to the problem. I swear I saw someone a few pages back say the game was shit because you can't score headed goals, or something like that (not you Zee, lol). I've scored bloody hundreds of headed goals. It's just that heading has changed in this game - it's become more realistic, rather than just button mashing / random. People moaning that their player doesn't shoot the instant they press the shot button, despite the fact that he's totally off balance and in the middle of a feint animation!! And so on. The answers to many of these "problems" lie in taking real-world understanding of the sport and applying it to the game. There's plenty wrong with this game that can't be fixed by changing your approach - but a hell of a lot that can.

One good patch and this could be far and away the best football game of all time. I wouldn't say I was confident that we'll get that patch - I know Konami all too well - but there's no reason why we shouldn't. And for now... well, it's still the best football game of all time. But that's just it - it's a FOOTBALL game. The many irritations are, well... irritating. But you write off PES 2014 at your peril. It's a great game. A great unfinished game. But still a great game.
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So at half-time, as Utrecht against PSV in ML, possession is about 50/50 with a couple shots each. At the stroke of the hour I score with a lottery long shot. I put my defensive line at 6 and spend the next 30 minutes of the match conceding possession with two banks of four with all my attention in dropping my line back with the d-pad and once or twice double-tapping it for the offside trap. The game ends with possession at 39/ 61 for the CPU and shots 3/12 for the CPU. White knuckles all through extra time.
 
Pere Ubu said:
I'm right behind everyone moaning about the genuine problems in PES 2014 - the off-the-pitch crap, the useless goalies (especially at the near post), the slightly underwhelming feeling when you score sometimes (because of the poor defensive AI), the tendency to ship buggy goals, the tech issues (slowdown etc), the automated/magnetised chipped through balls to off-the-ball sprinters, the ridiculous lack of fouls, the lack of stadia and so on. These are all pretty grim - not what we should expect from a full-price game in 2013. There's a lot to moan about.

But I've got to be honest, 99% of the moaning about gameplay that I've read here really does seem to be a bunch of through-ball-spammers and footballing half-wits throwing their toys out of the pram. Some of the stuff people have been complaining about is ludicrous. Despite all the niggles, PES 2014 is an astonishingly realistic football SIMULATION, and it seems to me that a lot of people who've been asking for this for years don't really want what they think they want.

You CANNOT play this game like an arcade game. Well, you can... but you'll have a very unrewarding experience. You have to play slow, patient, realistic - I mean, way more than in previous PES games. You can't even play this game like PES5. I've been on 30 minute games, passing the ball round defence etc where necessary, taking my time with everything, allowing the cpu to have the ball where appropriate rather than rushing in, lots of square or backwards passing, adjusting the DF line to stop the computer pinging through balls past me... and it's fantastic. It's an incredible game. An incredible game with loads and loads of stupid irritations (all of which could, in theory, be patched out - because they're exactly the same irritations we got in previous PES games, and they've been successfully patched out in the past). But a really, really amazing game.

I'm not saying that everyone who complains about something gameplay-related which isn't on my list above is stupid, or knows nothing about football, or just secretly wants an arcade game or whatever. I'm just saying that a lot of people are so used to the usual "OMG Konami what are you doing" reaction, from recent PES games, that whenever something goes "wrong" for them they're reaching straight for the insults rather than suspecting for one second that they might be the problem, and perhaps they just need to learn a new skill, or apply some real-football knowledge to the problem. I swear I saw someone a few pages back say the game was shit because you can't score headed goals, or something like that (not you Zee, lol). I've scored bloody hundreds of headed goals. It's just that heading has changed in this game - it's become more realistic, rather than just button mashing / random. People moaning that their player doesn't shoot the instant they press the shot button, despite the fact that he's totally off balance and in the middle of a feint animation!! And so on. The answers to many of these "problems" lie in taking real-world understanding of the sport and applying it to the game. There's plenty wrong with this game that can't be fixed by changing your approach - but a hell of a lot that can.

One good patch and this could be far and away the best football game of all time. I wouldn't say I was confident that we'll get that patch - I know Konami all too well - but there's no reason why we shouldn't. And for now... well, it's still the best football game of all time. But that's just it - it's a FOOTBALL game. The many irritations are, well... irritating. But you write off PES 2014 at your peril. It's a great game. A great unfinished game. But still a great game.
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Yes, its a problem I speak abut a lot, its the nature of society sadly.

People are taking less and less responsibility for when things go wrong, we become diva's bereft of responsibility and highly skilled at throwing a huge tantrum, so much so the tantrum becomes part of the persons personality, they become so used to blaming everyone else apart from themselves, they lose the very concept of taking responsibility.

radha1 said:
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So at half-time, as Utrecht against PSV in ML, possession is about 50/50 with a couple shots each. At the stroke of the hour I score with a lottery long shot. I put my defensive line at 6 and spend the next 30 minutes of the match conceding possession with two banks of four with all my attention in dropping my line back with the d-pad and once or twice double-tapping it for the offside trap. The game ends with possession at 39/ 61 for the CPU and shots 3/12 for the CPU. White knuckles all through extra time.
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I been doing this with Rennes all season, I'm having a stromer, in with an outside shot of the title and champions league, my team isn't good enough to play nice possession football, so I primarily sit and counter. The CPU usually dominate possession, they usual score once or twice but my counter tactic usually pays off in the end.

Too many people are just going straight into the game and playing without setting their team up properly. If you have the energy to moan and groan about the game, use that energy to discover it and experiment with your tactics and gameplan.

For too long people have been used to FIFA, a game devoid of any tactical understanding, with the same rigid broken system from way back on FIFA 09, a system you never need to change ingame thus every game being exactly the same, for too long we have the old PES tactical thought process, we make one strategy for passing and moving, then just stick to it and conquer everyone.

This is a new game, this requires you to create a tactic to suit your team rather than one size fits all.
 
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Pere Ubu said:
I'm right behind everyone moaning about the genuine problems in PES 2014 - the off-the-pitch crap, the useless goalies (especially at the near post), the slightly underwhelming feeling when you score sometimes (because of the poor defensive AI), the tendency to ship buggy goals, the tech issues (slowdown etc), the automated/magnetised chipped through balls to off-the-ball sprinters, the ridiculous lack of fouls, the lack of stadia and so on. These are all pretty grim - not what we should expect from a full-price game in 2013. There's a lot to moan about.

But I've got to be honest, 99% of the moaning about gameplay that I've read here really does seem to be a bunch of through-ball-spammers and footballing half-wits throwing their toys out of the pram. Some of the stuff people have been complaining about is ludicrous. Despite all the niggles, PES 2014 is an astonishingly realistic football SIMULATION, and it seems to me that a lot of people who've been asking for this for years don't really want what they think they want.

You CANNOT play this game like an arcade game. Well, you can... but you'll have a very unrewarding experience. You have to play slow, patient, realistic - I mean, way more than in previous PES games. You can't even play this game like PES5. I've been on 30 minute games, passing the ball round defence etc where necessary, taking my time with everything, allowing the cpu to have the ball where appropriate rather than rushing in, lots of square or backwards passing, adjusting the DF line to stop the computer pinging through balls past me... and it's fantastic. It's an incredible game. An incredible game with loads and loads of stupid irritations (all of which could, in theory, be patched out - because they're exactly the same irritations we got in previous PES games, and they've been successfully patched out in the past). But a really, really amazing game.

I'm not saying that everyone who complains about something gameplay-related which isn't on my list above is stupid, or knows nothing about football, or just secretly wants an arcade game or whatever. I'm just saying that a lot of people are so used to the usual "OMG Konami what are you doing" reaction, from recent PES games, that whenever something goes "wrong" for them they're reaching straight for the insults rather than suspecting for one second that they might be the problem, and perhaps they just need to learn a new skill, or apply some real-football knowledge to the problem. I swear I saw someone a few pages back say the game was shit because you can't score headed goals, or something like that (not you Zee, lol). I've scored bloody hundreds of headed goals. It's just that heading has changed in this game - it's become more realistic, rather than just button mashing / random. People moaning that their player doesn't shoot the instant they press the shot button, despite the fact that he's totally off balance and in the middle of a feint animation!! And so on. The answers to many of these "problems" lie in taking real-world understanding of the sport and applying it to the game. There's plenty wrong with this game that can't be fixed by changing your approach - but a hell of a lot that can.

One good patch and this could be far and away the best football game of all time. I wouldn't say I was confident that we'll get that patch - I know Konami all too well - but there's no reason why we shouldn't. And for now... well, it's still the best football game of all time. But that's just it - it's a FOOTBALL game. The many irritations are, well... irritating. But you write off PES 2014 at your peril. It's a great game. A great unfinished game. But still a great game.
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+1 !!!

When i started playing pes 2014, i thought it was unplayable, because i was suffering from major lag and slowdown ( slowdown was a major pain... i could not figure if the game was fast or slow ).

After folloing reponsiveness thread and applying the radeon pro fixes ... i dont have slowdowns and not noticiable lag input.

What a game ... really great game!

I play 20 minutes matches ... and always come up with 0-0, 1-0 or 2-1 ( winning or losing ) ... time always seems short.

The best match i did was a 5-0 win in Professional difficult ( where i suffered most losses ) and i was in a mode of "just let the ball carried be ... dont pressure directly , mark the team mates and block passes ). Best victory I did !

Scoring goals is great ... and i dont have the catch up bug ... trick is to set someone already running against a ...non-running defender :) kinda like ... real life :)

If they can patch this up , it could be a real evolution !!

My only fear is PES 2015 would be again arcade for the kids , because of gamespot reviews and etc.

Someone has to get the message to KONAMI : you coding skills and extra content sucks ! but gameplay wise .. you nailed it !
 
Pere Ubu said:
I'm right behind everyone moaning about the genuine problems in PES 2014 - the off-the-pitch crap, the useless goalies (especially at the near post), the slightly underwhelming feeling when you score sometimes (because of the poor defensive AI), the tendency to ship buggy goals, the tech issues (slowdown etc), the automated/magnetised chipped through balls to off-the-ball sprinters, the ridiculous lack of fouls, the lack of stadia and so on. These are all pretty grim - not what we should expect from a full-price game in 2013. There's a lot to moan about.

But I've got to be honest, 99% of the moaning about gameplay that I've read here really does seem to be a bunch of through-ball-spammers and footballing half-wits throwing their toys out of the pram. Some of the stuff people have been complaining about is ludicrous. Despite all the niggles, PES 2014 is an astonishingly realistic football SIMULATION, and it seems to me that a lot of people who've been asking for this for years don't really want what they think they want.

You CANNOT play this game like an arcade game. Well, you can... but you'll have a very unrewarding experience. You have to play slow, patient, realistic - I mean, way more than in previous PES games. You can't even play this game like PES5. I've been on 30 minute games, passing the ball round defence etc where necessary, taking my time with everything, allowing the cpu to have the ball where appropriate rather than rushing in, lots of square or backwards passing, adjusting the DF line to stop the computer pinging through balls past me... and it's fantastic. It's an incredible game. An incredible game with loads and loads of stupid irritations (all of which could, in theory, be patched out - because they're exactly the same irritations we got in previous PES games, and they've been successfully patched out in the past). But a really, really amazing game.

I'm not saying that everyone who complains about something gameplay-related which isn't on my list above is stupid, or knows nothing about football, or just secretly wants an arcade game or whatever. I'm just saying that a lot of people are so used to the usual "OMG Konami what are you doing" reaction, from recent PES games, that whenever something goes "wrong" for them they're reaching straight for the insults rather than suspecting for one second that they might be the problem, and perhaps they just need to learn a new skill, or apply some real-football knowledge to the problem. I swear I saw someone a few pages back say the game was shit because you can't score headed goals, or something like that (not you Zee, lol). I've scored bloody hundreds of headed goals. It's just that heading has changed in this game - it's become more realistic, rather than just button mashing / random. People moaning that their player doesn't shoot the instant they press the shot button, despite the fact that he's totally off balance and in the middle of a feint animation!! And so on. The answers to many of these "problems" lie in taking real-world understanding of the sport and applying it to the game. There's plenty wrong with this game that can't be fixed by changing your approach - but a hell of a lot that can.

One good patch and this could be far and away the best football game of all time. I wouldn't say I was confident that we'll get that patch - I know Konami all too well - but there's no reason why we shouldn't. And for now... well, it's still the best football game of all time. But that's just it - it's a FOOTBALL game. The many irritations are, well... irritating. But you write off PES 2014 at your peril. It's a great game. A great unfinished game. But still a great game.
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That's it. Simple as that.
You can't play this game like any other football game you played before. Because of that the learning curve is long and frustrating. But guys you must keep playing.
 
For some people maybe they aren't ready for the change. It is impossible to retain the old feeling 100% with an upgraded game engine.

It's funny though since the consensus last year was evo-web community can't stand another year of PES title powered by the same old engine. Maybe what they want is exactly PES 5 re-skin, HD or even re-release in the same old format.
 
losslesscompression said:
For some people maybe they aren't ready for the change. It is impossible to retain the old feeling 100% with an upgraded game engine.

It's funny though since the consensus last year was evo-web community can't stand another year of PES title powered by the same old engine. Maybe what they want is exactly PES 5 re-skin, HD or even re-release in the same old format.
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Like a Pro Evolution Soccer HD Collection? :FAIL:
 
Deluxe said:
Like a Pro Evolution Soccer HD Collection? :FAIL:
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People always suggest they should do one like MGS HD Collection.

But of course it is impossible since the game featured licensed content, some probably has expired, some player already retired, thus no longer covered by FIFpro. Certain stadia no longer permitted to be included. This is major part of the problem, make the whole package 'unattractive' and waste of time and effort.

In short, no it's not possible to re-release sports title especially that included licensed content because of complex legal issue. So forget about PES 4, 5 and 6. They're history, let's move on.

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Just like Sensible Soccer 96/97 HD on Xbox Live, the gameplay is unchanged, however the whole roster are no longer licensed. In the end, the sales were lacklustre. There you you, nostalgia alone doesn't guarantee the game will sell well.
 
Jeez, there is so much I want to say, share and explain what I've found so far with this game, but I can't drag myself off it long enough to write the consequential essay.

I have all the notes in my phone, so maybe tomorrow.....
 
I think the thing that bothers me the most is the shooting and heading.
I have'nt managed a single header till now. When I cross the striker just chests it and volleys it. I have seen these kind of problems in older games....shame it happens now....seems like yet another bug left in the code..

Also the shooting just seems so strange...I can't get a feel for it.....it just seems very weird....when I score I'm not even sure how it happened...
It seems a bit too floaty....the shooting in FIFA is far better....but the passing on PES is still better.
 
I think Konami should follow 2K with there NBA title. In this game you can choose between sim or arcade (different sliders for both). That is the way to go in my opinion. Let every user decide for himself. If you do it so you don't need all this passing assistance stuff. Make is hard and realistic if somebody choose to play a sim game and make it more easy and arcadish if someone like to play a more fun game.

I love this option in NBA 2k game and i would love to see it in PES because it would end this (imo stupid) mix between sim an arcade. It's not possible to design a game that fit for both user - sim fans and arcade fans. So make a separation and let the user decide which way they like to play the game.
 
mathewsss said:
I think the thing that bothers me the most is the shooting and heading.
I have'nt managed a single header till now. When I cross the striker just chests it and volleys it. I have seen these kind of problems in older games....shame it happens now....seems like yet another bug left in the code..
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Oh please... YOU haven't scored a header yet, so it MUST be "yet another bug left in the code"? Despite the fact that loads of other people are saying they've scored tons of headers, and that the heading in PES 2014 is the best ever, much more subtle and realistic than the bad old days of "spam header button and hope for the best"... no, must be a bug in the code. Why else would YOU not have been able to score a header yet?

Sorry, don't mean to take the piss - but there's been loads of this going around, and it really "bugs" me (little joke there to lighten the mood, hope you enjoyed it).

The shooting's not "floaty", either btw. It's just not rocket-powered like in PES 2013. You have to think about how you're approaching the ball, timing, body balance etc. I've scored three or four real screamers - but every time it's happened, I've looked at the replay and seen WHY it's happened there, and not any other time I've shot from 25+ yards. You can't just spam shoot from any angle, at any time in the game, and expect an arrow into the top corner like PES6, or PES2013 to some extent.

(The one thing that's overdone is the difference in shot power between players known for long-rangers and everyone else. It's not that Joe Average from Average FC can't kick the ball hard - it's that he can't control the subsequent flight of the ball as well as Rooney or whoever. This is something Konami have got wrong, presumably to "balance" the game, and it's a bit annoying. Doesn't spoil shooting for me though.)
 
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