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konami fault , they should release demo very soon
at least earlier for pc , not need to wait validation (psn,...)
just throw in server and give link
so we can play and judge by ourself if new game or not ,
and if needed analyze exe to know all the truth :D

because we really become crazy ...
 
Tunizizou said:
konami fault , they should release demo very soon
at least earlier for pc , not need to wait validation (psn,...)
just throw in server and give link
so we can play and judge by ourself if new game or not ,
and if needed analyze exe to know all the truth :D

because we really become crazy ...
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maybe we could find pes 2015 code in pes 2014 demo :P
 
Nesa's story sounds confusing and quite unbelievable, but he's never shown signs of being a troubled fella, quite the contrary. So why not give him the benefit of the doubt?. I think he'll be smart enough to come here and say "I was wrong, the game is amazing" if that's the case.

I must admit though, if Jenkey had said all of this himself, I would have believed it without giving it any second thoughts.

Perhaps that's due to the fact that everytime I've tried (gameplay) patches form Nesa AND/OR Yair I've always felt nothing really changed too much, and that it was all hype or placebo effect and some people would just go along with it.
 
lets wait for the demo, like someone sayed from demo 1, to 2, to final, to updates there are a lot of difrences in gameplay.
 
F D B said:
Nesa's story sounds confusing and quite unbelievable, but he's never shown signs of being a troubled fella, quite the contrary. So why not give him the benefit of the doubt?. I think he'll be smart enough to come here and say "I was wrong, the game is amazing" if that's the case.

I must admit though, if Jenkey had said all of this himself, I would have believed it without giving it any second thoughts.

Perhaps that's due to the fact that everytime I've tried (gameplay) patches form Nesa AND/OR Yair I've always felt nothing really changed too much, and that it was all hype or placebo effect and some people would just go along with it.[/QUOTE]

this is big accusation.
do you know that jenkey tool do exactly what we did? the only different is that jenkey gave you options and we are not , so if our work is hype or placebo effect so is jenkey gameplay changes.

really disappointed to hear that after all the work we put into pes for the past 3 years
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yair25 said:
F D B said:
Nesa's story sounds confusing and quite unbelievable, but he's never shown signs of being a troubled fella, quite the contrary. So why not give him the benefit of the doubt?. I think he'll be smart enough to come here and say "I was wrong, the game is amazing" if that's the case.

I must admit though, if Jenkey had said all of this himself, I would have believed it without giving it any second thoughts.

Perhaps that's due to the fact that everytime I've tried (gameplay) patches form Nesa AND/OR Yair I've always felt nothing really changed too much, and that it was all hype or placebo effect and some people would just go along with it.[/QUOTE]

this is big accusation.
do you know that jenkey tool do exactly what we did? the only different is that jenkey gave you options and we are not , so if our work is hype or placebo effect so is jenkey gameplay changes.

really disappointed to hear that after all the work we put into pes for the past 3 years
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No, no accusation. It's just the way I'VE FELT with your patches. I'm not saying you are liars, I'm saying I never noticed any big differences.
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yair25 said:
No, no accusation. It's what I'VE FELT with your patches. I'm not saying you are liers, I'm saying I never noticed any big differences.
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and I've never but never said that it's even possible to make such a big changes , If I had the source code this game could be amazing but we didn't so we done our best and even if one thing was fixed by me or nesa or jenkey it's ok by me.
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and I've never but never said that it's even possible to make such a big changes , If I had the source code this game could be amazing but we didn't so we done our best and even if one thing was fixed by me or nesa or jenkey it's ok by me.
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Then why do you get so sensitive and emotional everytime someone place Jenkey's work above yours?. It's like your jelous of him or something. You've just said "if one thing was fixed by me or nesa or jenkey it's ok by me" and I know a lot of people enjoyed your works (because I've seen their comments on your thread) so you should feel happy. Don't worry about what I think... I'm just a nobody who enjoys Jenkey's work because I actually feel they DO something to the game.


Sorry for the OT.
 
F D B said:
Then why do you get so sensitive and emotional everytime someone place Jenkey's work above yours?. It's like your jelous of him or something. You've just said "if one thing was fixed by me or nesa or jenkey it's ok by me" and I know a lot of people enjoyed your works (because I've seen their comments on your thread) so you should feel happy. Don't worry about what I think... I'm just a nobody who enjoys Jenkey's work because I actually feel they DO something to the game.


Sorry for the OT.
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not that again... I have nothing against anyone and I have nothing to be jealous in jeneky , so let's move on... talk about net's or ball physics or something.
 
Nik said:
Discuss.
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lenoquesta said:
Adam Bhatti ‏& JonMurphy.. the less they touch PES the better.
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Agreed. Bhatti just loves the fanboys chasing him, and his legion of PES die hards that hang on his every word. Murphy is a bit a gimp, not really sure what his role has been to be honest over the years.
 
I'm sure Jon Murphy is a nice enough bloke, but when he does presentations etc, he umm's and err's through it all, not very professional to have someone like that showing your product.
 
ccshopland said:
Agreed. Bhatti just loves the fanboys chasing him, and his legion of PES die hards that hang on his every word. Murphy is a bit a gimp, not really sure what his role has been to be honest over the years.
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old build , newer build , advanced build , preview build, demo build , better demo build , final build , patch 1 build , etc..

just give us the demo already and stop with this sh**t
 
I must agree with F D B. I tried yair/nesa patches (all of them!) and never really felt much changed.

Like I posted in nesa thread with his ported PES5 gameplay to PES 2013, placebo effect.

Sorry, but I did some programming when I was IT student(10 years ago now :P) and from experience I know that changing offsets or debugging code with Olly/IDA is not very efficient with newer games/programs. It works fine with games from 1999-2005 though (newer programs/games can use x64 instructions which can be fun to debug :D).

Now if someone had access to Source Code it would be way different matter. Reverse Engineering is however, prohibited and reversing exe and dlls back to C/C++ language is impossible task...

To yair - you said that jenkey did exactly what you and nesa did, but gave us the options. Well, I definitely felt and saw the changes with jenkey tool. Not only that, he did stadium server, adboard server and other brilliant stuff for the game. I wonder if jenkey is not somehow involved with KONAMI/PES or he is really great programmer (probably has Master Degree in it?) :LOL:.

Also I would like to advise some people not to listen to nesa propaganda. Using Olly/Hex Editing whatever, I could see FIFA13 having very very old code from FIFA 06 in it. Same goes for FIFA 11 on PC, but how did that game play in the end? AMAZING.

I don't have doubts here. Demo should remove a lot of fears people have now. PES 2014 is new start and imo it cannot be much worse than any PES released between 2007-2012 (PES 2008-PES2013).

If the game does not impress, people will put their anger back at KONAMI big time. Broken promises can hurt people badly. KONAMI should know that already, no? (maybe pummeling of sales will make them start to THINK, finally?) ;)

I did not mean to hurt anyone feeling here. Just venting my feelings after agitating week of work :ROFL:
 
F D B said:
Hopefully that build is the Demo one. And hopefully they'll announce a demo date this weekend.
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If konami do again the Demo 1 and 2 thing it will be a big mistake. They should release one demo only.

IMO i prefer no demo this time, just taste the full game like old times and stop the irritating Demo 1 VS Demo 2 VS Full Game comparisons, that's annoying and harmful for our health.
 
The only reason I don't give a F about Asim's impressions, nor Nesa's is because I actually liked PES 2013 (EVEN MORE SO ON PC AND THANKS TO JENKEY). Gameplay-wise I felt it was 50% better than PES 2012. So if PES 2014 is at least 50% than PES 2014 then I will be thrilled, specially with the new Master League (Football Life) options to manage different teams and/or national squads which was my biggest frustration with PES 2013 after winning everything and 3 seasons at Real Madrid. It got so boring.
 
@info0 it's ok mate every one can think what he want's , it's a democratic world :)

but yes as a fact jenkey started to work on pes after me and he did some extra stuff because he had time maybe? but his work and mine In term of gameplay are the same but I guess that he is a really smart guy and he is done it much better then I did and that is something that I have no problem to admit :)
 
this comment will got lost in all of the hype and I am a year behind anyway haha.

been playing fifa since 08 , prior to that used to be pes since the iss days.

I have played some pes13 with jenky patch and some HD graphics patch on the PC and I think it tries to play football the right way.

fifa to me has always been to easy to play slaggy, I call it slaggy because people can pick it up and button mash and play like slags.

I play full manual on fifa and manual v manual on fifa is very good.

I am not sure what assisted is like of pes13 and if it can be exploited like fifa on assisted controls.

I jumped straight into full manual controls on pes13 and I have been enjoying it, you can see konami have not forgot their roots with this series.

I have to break my fifa playing mold to appreciate pes13 which I have done so slightly, although I fear due to pes14 not having a club mode I will get it for 1v1 and fifa for clubs with all my mates I think I may end up being crap at both games. I am pretty good on fifa but have gone worse since playing pes.
completely different playing styles, which isn't a bad thing

I am defiantly giving pes a chance this yea, online is important to me so hope they can improve on that.

pes with club mode would be really good, suppose that is not going to happen this year...
 
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