thanks guys i wasn't sure
PES 2014 Discussion Thread
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Personally, I agree with you. Let's hope Konami proves us wrong
Lons
AMIGA 1200 HARDCORE FAN!
- 15 December 2007
I can writte You 30 brillant games before internet was comming. Don't forget about it!
Lons
AMIGA 1200 HARDCORE FAN!
- 15 December 2007
You want tell me that 12 mln people bought Fifa because online modes is good features? Are You kidding?
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International
- 17 August 2010
- Luton Town
This. This is exactly why I never bother with sports titles online, and probably never will. Certain games lend themselves well to online. Football doesn't, because it requires at least a modicum of etiquette....
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Where'd you get that number from?
Jamezinho
Golden Boot Winner
Much the same really. Apart from some online racing with a trusted group of people, I don't play online at all. I find it an unpleasant experience for the most part.
NikoLiberty4
Premier League
No way the percentage is that low, at least worldwide. Maybe in UK.
The thing is, currently PES doesn't provide many options for those who want to play more realistic and "private" games. No pass or shot support filters, no pre-2013 Community Mode, etc.
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Nick1984
Non-League
- 9 March 2013
Not sure whether this is talking about PES 2014 or just the Fox Engine...
it's an online mode where you control just 1 player, and it can be up to 11v11 people. so basically you are playing as yourself in a full football match.
whats so good is instead of relying on AI you rely on your friends, which creates this fully reactive match with off the ball runs etc.
its such a good mode that it largely redeems fifas bad gameplay - i cant imagine how good it would be on pes (with manual controls..)
football games wouldnt be anywhere if they didnt have multiplayer options. and im not just talking about online, but 1v1 vs a friend. playing against real people is what makes games like PES or FIFA so fun. if you think otherwise you are in the massive minority.
4 vs 4 local is much better than fifa 11 vs 11, just joke unless you want a cricket score.
Konami just needs to get rid of lag first then worry about modes. lets take a few stepss at a time, next gen pro evo is going to rock especially if next xbox matches PS4 GDDR 5 8 GB, we could have realistic weather and fans along with the animations
NikoLiberty4
Premier League
If true, then the lighting has much to do for achieving that level of realism, much more than i.e. texture quality.
curdstar
Premier League
- 19 September 2006
- PES4 Partick Thistle
It would help if those figures were accurate. They aren't (not even close) and due to some frankly silly stuff in the industry accurate sales figures are seldom shared. There are entire regions not accounted for in those images either.
Sorry, but that's simply not true. Now, if you step into a Pro Ranked match (which is full of random players who don't play their position), then sure. A few years ago, my club at its peak was rated around 30th in the world. Trust me, games against top clubs were extremely close. Just like in real life, one lapse of concentration or a wayward pass could cost you the match. You have to be positionally sound, communicate well and most importantly, understand football. Obviously it wasn't perfect then and it isn't perfect now. You have to deal with balance issues, exploits etc, but it's extremely fun. If FIFA didn't have clubs, I wouldn't buy it.
I do agree that single player is extremely important which is why I play PES offline (since FIFA offline is dreadful) and keep FIFA around for Pro Clubs. Hell, I've played hundreds of hours of PES over the years without ever going online. All I'm saying is that there's room for both.
Ameppe
International
- 23 December 2007
- SSC Napoli
It's absolutely wrong. Most part of videogame football fans are waiting to see what Konami are up to.
Konami has time to regain its lost fans, they just have to show them the things they want.
In my opinion most important things to regain fans are
online modes and quality (it's extremely important)
animations quality and fluidity
Options, many options in both offline and online modes
A completely new Master League mode
Simcut
BF3 Addict
This is a make or break year for Konami, really hope they nail it and make EA shit their pants 
Deluxe
Championship
- 2 September 2005
That's the thing. I hope konami besides introduce us a new graphic engine, profit to show us a renewed offline game modes and online mode. League mode back please.
Review
Premier League
- 7 October 2012
Not sure if this was posted but EDGE has had a first look at Pro Evolution Soccer 2014 as well as the new engine its built on in issue #252. Subscribers have started to receive the magazine ahead of the official March 14 date.
Below you’ll find a roundup of some of the information included in EDGE regarding Konami’s upcoming sports title:
- Engine based on FOX Engine
- Engine referred to as “new engine”
- New physics engine uses “Barycentre physics”
- Barycentre physics: different body parts have different weights
- Collisions are similar to FIFA
- Impact strength of collisions depend on which part of the body is hit
- Team is focusing on “photo-realism” for graphics
- One closeup of a Japanese player’s face in EDGE shows detailed skin pores and individual eyebrows
- Shirts are separate from the player models
- Shirts hang from the players and flow and get pulled when jostling
- Ball control radius in 3x bigger than current gen, providing more dynamic off-ball tussles while player’s legs try to get control of the ball
- Can set a player’s “zones”
- This allows you to have an individual player only be allowed to move in a small area of the pitch while defending
Head past the break for the full rundown of PES 2014′s three engine pillars.
1. Barycentre Physics and Ball control
The new engine allows for a larger separation between player and ball – three time the radius of PES 2013, where tight ‘confrontation’ zones are used to make tackling easier. A striker will be able to throw his body weight in one direction and use his opposing foot to push the ball in the other way, leaving defenders off balance and buying space for a pass or shot. Players have specific centres of balance, calculated by locating their centre of gravity, or barycentre. You’ll be able to control your player’s weight shifts at all times and use practice touches to push the ball away from your feet. We see a wireframe demo with more natural animations and fluid transitions than FIFA 13. You control the player and the physics drives the animation, not vice versa. It’s hard to tell how this will transform the ‘feel’ of play, rather than just being admirable behind the scenes calculations, but there appears to be scope for a radical new control scheme – think of how Skate’s right-stick motions mimicked real-life movements by exploiting dynamic physics, and how they compared to the digital button taps of Tony Hawks Pro Skater. This could be a revelation in football game control.
2. Contact and Physicality
Konami has pinpointed this as a weakness in previous games, but now players can jostle for space – even without the ball present – for headers at corners, or to dominate a smaller opponent. You’ll be able to tug shirts (cloth is now separate from the player’s body and stretches) as well as elbow for room on the touchline. It works in tandem with the physics and precision control. Agile players can unbalance defenders with dropped shoulders or ball skills, and push the ball further ahead to exploit their acceleration. “Previously, body feints were more aesthetic,” admits Masuda. “Now they’re a key tactic.”
3. Squad Emulator
Formations remain essential for success, but now you can set ‘zones of play’ so your key players focus on certain tactics in mission-critical areas. For example, you can set your front line to focus on possession and probing for gaps in from of a deep-lying defence. In theory, you’ll be able to recognise your favourite teams pattern of play within a few minutes. The emphasis on defending and shape should allow weaker teams to create effective strategies, such as when Celtic beat Barcelona in the Champions League by defending deep, buoyed up
Below you’ll find a roundup of some of the information included in EDGE regarding Konami’s upcoming sports title:
- Engine based on FOX Engine
- Engine referred to as “new engine”
- New physics engine uses “Barycentre physics”
- Barycentre physics: different body parts have different weights
- Collisions are similar to FIFA
- Impact strength of collisions depend on which part of the body is hit
- Team is focusing on “photo-realism” for graphics
- One closeup of a Japanese player’s face in EDGE shows detailed skin pores and individual eyebrows
- Shirts are separate from the player models
- Shirts hang from the players and flow and get pulled when jostling
- Ball control radius in 3x bigger than current gen, providing more dynamic off-ball tussles while player’s legs try to get control of the ball
- Can set a player’s “zones”
- This allows you to have an individual player only be allowed to move in a small area of the pitch while defending
Head past the break for the full rundown of PES 2014′s three engine pillars.
1. Barycentre Physics and Ball control
The new engine allows for a larger separation between player and ball – three time the radius of PES 2013, where tight ‘confrontation’ zones are used to make tackling easier. A striker will be able to throw his body weight in one direction and use his opposing foot to push the ball in the other way, leaving defenders off balance and buying space for a pass or shot. Players have specific centres of balance, calculated by locating their centre of gravity, or barycentre. You’ll be able to control your player’s weight shifts at all times and use practice touches to push the ball away from your feet. We see a wireframe demo with more natural animations and fluid transitions than FIFA 13. You control the player and the physics drives the animation, not vice versa. It’s hard to tell how this will transform the ‘feel’ of play, rather than just being admirable behind the scenes calculations, but there appears to be scope for a radical new control scheme – think of how Skate’s right-stick motions mimicked real-life movements by exploiting dynamic physics, and how they compared to the digital button taps of Tony Hawks Pro Skater. This could be a revelation in football game control.
2. Contact and Physicality
Konami has pinpointed this as a weakness in previous games, but now players can jostle for space – even without the ball present – for headers at corners, or to dominate a smaller opponent. You’ll be able to tug shirts (cloth is now separate from the player’s body and stretches) as well as elbow for room on the touchline. It works in tandem with the physics and precision control. Agile players can unbalance defenders with dropped shoulders or ball skills, and push the ball further ahead to exploit their acceleration. “Previously, body feints were more aesthetic,” admits Masuda. “Now they’re a key tactic.”
3. Squad Emulator
Formations remain essential for success, but now you can set ‘zones of play’ so your key players focus on certain tactics in mission-critical areas. For example, you can set your front line to focus on possession and probing for gaps in from of a deep-lying defence. In theory, you’ll be able to recognise your favourite teams pattern of play within a few minutes. The emphasis on defending and shape should allow weaker teams to create effective strategies, such as when Celtic beat Barcelona in the Champions League by defending deep, buoyed up
MUFan23
League 1
- 26 September 2012
- Manchester United
So, that's all the details we're gonna get today, the official release day?
Tell me otherwise. Expected more.
Tell me otherwise. Expected more.
sorry that news is couple of days old, hopefully we should get some more info today once mag is released today.
CalcioCalabrese
Weekend warrior
This part has me intrigued "Ball control radius in 3x bigger than current gen, providing more dynamic off-ball tussles while player’s legs try to get control of the ball." - hopefully this means the ball won't look like it's on a piece of string.
The other part (looking at the graphic Jon Murphy tweeted) is how will the control scheme work when they talk about pushing the ball one way and moving the other? Is it like doing the run around move from PES 2013 (or similar to the right stick flick in FIFA) OR does it mean you can dribble with either left or right foot?
Or maybe it's more simple and it means feints will look more natural...
The other part (looking at the graphic Jon Murphy tweeted) is how will the control scheme work when they talk about pushing the ball one way and moving the other? Is it like doing the run around move from PES 2013 (or similar to the right stick flick in FIFA) OR does it mean you can dribble with either left or right foot?
Or maybe it's more simple and it means feints will look more natural...
I'm hoping that the barycenter physics will have a strong effect on passing. I'm really sick of seeing passes that are accurate and accurately weighted even when the body is off balanced (e.g. the 180 degree strong passes). Some of these passes need to go way wide + a stumble & fall animation, maybe the player should even miss the kick entirely.
They should force players to open up their bodies towards their strong foot's instep in order to send an accurate pinpoint pass (even for players with the card), plus a contextual shift in body balance. Outside of foot is ok as long as the player is equipped with the skill. All of these have been missing and partly causes the unpunished reckless passing in PES2013. Manual passing makes it a little more realistic, but it still is not penalized enough IMO.
They should force players to open up their bodies towards their strong foot's instep in order to send an accurate pinpoint pass (even for players with the card), plus a contextual shift in body balance. Outside of foot is ok as long as the player is equipped with the skill. All of these have been missing and partly causes the unpunished reckless passing in PES2013. Manual passing makes it a little more realistic, but it still is not penalized enough IMO.
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Pitti
Non-League
- 7 March 2006
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Issidingo
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a lot of pr non sense like always.
and good visuals is really one thing the game does not need as with a few tweaks it's already a good looking game ( pes 2010 and pes 2011 were pretty games then visual quality has been deteriorating ever since). it needs good animations and IA and offline modes.
and good visuals is really one thing the game does not need as with a few tweaks it's already a good looking game ( pes 2010 and pes 2011 were pretty games then visual quality has been deteriorating ever since). it needs good animations and IA and offline modes.
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Ameppe
International
- 23 December 2007
- SSC Napoli
They can't talk about modes of a game yet to be announced.
Be more patient it's March and we already have bits of informations, the game reveal will be in April
This is an engine reveal, not a game reveal.
CalcioCalabrese
Weekend warrior
How much does this magazine cost?
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