Re: PES 2013 Discussion Thread .......
klashman69,
One or two years of bad games - i think, a lot of people can tolerate that, and give you constructive criticism. But after 5 years of downhill slide in quality (2008-2012), it's only natural that polite critique and suggestions for improvement are replaced with scorn and negative outbursts. It's only for so long you can release half-baked products and turn a blind eye on customer feedback (which is what Konami's been doing with PES lately)
Klash I would have NO problem if KONAMI/Jon actually listened what community and general public wants. If so many people mentions that GK are broken, that AI dribbling is way too ridiculous, that there is cheating script (which wasn't there 2 years ago!) which ruins the single player gameplay, that night mode games and different stadiums gameplay feels different...
That FL mode is ridiculous, with players moaning constantly about not being played, training which makes NO SENSE whatsoever, etc.
That something is on. That last is about PES 2012 alone... Doubt many of those things will be fixed in 2013, but we shall see :/. Hoping that Kei produces something which will top other efforts by mile
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Ok, this is again what i'm talking about. PES has got worse since PES 2010? It's got worse every year since then? I mean PES 2008 was total shit, 2009 weren't great, 2010 broken, thing is, it's improved since then but many are just saying. PES is shit because it don't give me that PES6 5 etc.. feeling. So just saying the entire game is total crap, PES is dead, getting on a soapbox and raging with criticism because it doesn't give people that 'old' feeling.
I can see, this is definatley a problem, i can see this because you all getting so defensive, nobody is questioning themselevs at all, this is NOT good, this is not good at all. You must question yourself at all times, thats how you learn, become wise and grown in life. Nobody is even attempting to see where i'm coming from, or even for a second questioning themselves, or taking a different approach, stepping back from the game, not worrying or concerned on what others say.
Maybe you should turn off these forums which i did for a long period of time, take perspectives only from your mates, i noticed they knew the game had flaws but didn't complain about them hardly, just enjoyed what was there. Forums and my friends view on games are SO different SO SO different, it's night and day! Totally night and day, this is my point, most people in the world, 90% i'd say just follow others, you can see this on gaming videos for example where 90% will just use commercial music which the media or the masses listen to, not many will play diverse tracks they have consciously searched for. This is heavily compounded on internet site, where nobody wants to be the freak, everyone is scared of being mocked and everyone wants others to agree with them.
End result, people are just getting put off from visiting this site, period!
I noticed at least 3 posts from people who said, 'i was liking the game until i came to this forum". "Then i started to look for bugs".
It's like nobody looks at themselves and saying, are we being a bit overdramaitic? It's like people can't accept how dogshit PES 2008, just how far back it was between 2008-2010 and it's like people expect Konami to magically just within a year, BANG a perfect game with no faults. We need to accept Konami royally fucked up then and have a long way backt o create a all round solid game with little to no faults at all.
Nobody can look past what PES 6 was, you can't get over how bad PES 2008-2010, your all almost anxious to find that feeling back. It's like a player missing an open goal which lead to his team being relegated, you just can't look past what 'could' have been, he dosen't even ackknowledge what he has to work with, his team gets back promoted but isn't the same force, and can't look at the current situation, only what 'couldv'e' been.
I did the same for fifa for a few years, it wasan't good, you just end up irrate and hating the game, it didn't help me, the developers of FIFA or people on forums, just many disgruntled posts. It never lead anywhere. this whole thing about Konami not listening, you know this is not true, infact the truth is while everyone was happy with PES 1-6, the problem was nobody said anything, that's a sizable factor to why PES 2008 was so shit, Konami where too safe, they didn't want to change the game much, keep the core gameplay the fans worshiped like a cult. I remember there where a few realistic fans voicing their concerns which feel of deaf ears, those who could see the series stagnation way back in 2006-07, i could see it, others again where just following the masses. FIFA got good and that time because it was so shit on the PS2, it had no choice but to make radical changes, add in the budget and the licences and viola!
'Something is up with PES'. This is the problem, are we as a community going to ask serious questions on:
What Konami are capable of since times have changed, what can we expect?
What is fair expectation?
WHAT happened really to PES what did Konami do wrong, what did WE do wrong?
What can we learn and what can Konami learn and what have they learned.
Go deeper, don't just follow another mans quote, look for a conclusion for you then move on.
No, 'Oh, it's just not right'. Are we going to keep pointing fingers at Konami, doing what an angry person does and yell out the same abuse all the time, even saying this which aren't true at all, "Konami don't listen to us, since 2011 especially the amount of content put into the games which users requested but people still say this, Konami might not make you your taylor made perfect game but they listen to the fans as a whole and there is many PES fan, many who want very different things?"
I just cannot understand also how i see so many bang on about realism and yet how many have actually tried and looked into how the tactical systems work, i even for ages appealed to the community to help out making real life tactics for most teams so we could all learn from the game but nobody seems to care, it annoys me also when people call me this tactics guru, when all i do it's just look into how it works and try to make teams play like they do in real life. I mean are we all still trying to play the games like PES 5 and 6 are we all still stuck in that linear playing mode, are we really ready for realism? At times i think many who demand realism are simply not ready for some of the harsh nature of it. This forum makes realism out to be the ONLY option so if they have it on a arcadey like setting they feel this to 'noob' which is nonsense! That's where i make the point, i don't think every single person here know what they want in the first place, some do, many don't.
These basic problems were way less prominent during the PS2-times, and that's why other problems could be forgiven back then
There has always been issues in every PES. more so this generation with the underwhelming crowd atmosphere and lack of tech compared to other titles, PES 2008-09 weren't good and 2010 every broken (2011was anew beginning) However with 2012, it has no more issues than what can be perceived in PES 1-6. its just:
PES 1-6, people saw the glass as half full
PES 2012, People looking at the glass half empty.
I could go back, we could all go back and see issues if we want, i want you all to question and look for balance.
You all could be falling into the perspective where you just attack someone for the sake that he don't follow and agree with you and defend your viewpoint without even questioning it at all.
Why should i just agree with your because it's the majority of a forum say.
Remember this is just a forum. I'm not saying you should love PES, infact i just advise to you all if your unhappy, complain and walk away, i don't believe in this stuff about 'i'm passionate i have a right to moan all the time, it's a fucking video game man, it shouldn't be a major part in your life!' I love PES but it's fundamentally a hobby, always will be nothing more than that. Please don't project yourselves trying to convince others its crap because you don't want others to be happy when you are not. I'm saying question yourself, cynicism is shit, it's crap, it makes you feel down and being negative like i'm saying projects onto other and it makes the world a worse place.
