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PES 2012 PC Demo talk

You know playing on top player, and i fully admit it's too hard for me and not my level at current, reminds me more of Fifa legendary than PES 2011's top player. Poor defensive AI on my team that can't cope with the oddly perfect and often instantaneous decision making AI of the computer.

I'm pretty sick and tired of seeing my own defence not picking up players in the box too. I am but one man, if i'm jockeying a winger as he cuts inside the box i at least expect the defence that i'm not controlling to pick up enemy players instead of letting them have so much room in the box to score from any cross that might come in. Example A - I was jockeying Cavani as he cut inside the box and i had three players in the middle who all let Hamsik have above 5 yards of free space so when the ball came into the box he had so much room to score. It was the second time it happened in the match albeit in the first he didn't have as much space but was simply not picked up either.

EDIT: Whoever said the burst move is overpowered is right. I can't do much else but laugh despondently at current. I am simply no match for dealing with it.
 
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iNSaNiTyX said:
not much else to say, is there?

PES has been terrible for years, tired of supporting this garbage.
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How about telling us what you didn't like? Maybe a little discussion? And if you don't have much to say, why bother post then?
 
Did any of you playtesters notice that the ball control is a bit too good, didn't notice any mentioning it in your reviews or was it different in ur code?
Rly makes it weird when you control the ball with Vidic like you were Iniesta, rly hope KONAMI fixes this but then again hopefully they don't go to the other extreme again, seems like they always overdo such small things a bit.
 
Lami said:
How about telling us what you didn't like? Maybe a little discussion? And if you don't have much to say, why bother post then?
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His last 3 posts are of him bashing PES, what a troll. Try typing to paragraphs of why you think it sucks.
 
pes2012gonbegood said:
Did any of you playtesters notice that the ball control is a bit too good, didn't notice any mentioning it in your reviews or was it different in ur code?
Rly makes it weird when you control the ball with Vidic like you were Iniesta, rly hope KONAMI fixes this but then again hopefully they don't go to the other extreme again, seems like they always overdo such small things a bit.
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Yea running with the ball feels a bit weird, they all take many touches and I think should be toned down a bit. Thank God ball control when dribbling is still good though and there's a big difference between a Vidic and Iniesta.
 
Napoli is actually better than Man UTD!! Stop overpowering Italian teams, KONAMI!
Northzzz said:
You know playing on top player, and i fully admit it's too hard for me and not my level at current, reminds me more of Fifa legendary than PES 2011's top player. Poor defensive AI on my team that can't cope with the oddly perfect and often instantaneous decision making AI of the computer.

I'm pretty sick and tired of seeing my own defence not picking up players in the box too. I am but one man, if i'm jockeying a winger as he cuts inside the box i at least expect the defence that i'm not controlling to pick up enemy players instead of letting them have so much room in the box to score from any cross that might come in. Example A - I was jockeying Cavani as he cut inside the box and i had three players in the middle who all let Hamsik have above 5 yards of free space so when the ball came into the box he had so much room to score. It was the second time it happened in the match albeit in the first he didn't have as much space but was simply not picked up either.

EDIT: Whoever said the burst move is overpowered is right. I can't do much else but laugh despondently at current. I am simply no match for dealing with it.
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Again, totally agree. Same issue for me.
 
I've put about 8/9 hours into the demo since release and that might be the end now bar a some sporadic plays. I'm going to hold off until the next demo is released because quite frankly i'm pretty disappointed at the moment, it's unfinished and as such it's difficult to gain a perspective of what is going to be fixed and what isn't. Initially i thought it was good, a game that attracted me because of its fluidity, then i started to question why annoying things in the game had a habit of repeating themselves.

To give the game credit it actually plays well until you or the CPU get within 25 yards from goal. That's when the issues i have with the game start to occur. In this respect the issues are so eerily similar to those that i had with PES 6.

This build is promising but that's it. I find it funny how some people come in after playing 1 or 2 games and spout some hyperbolic sentence about the game being the best football gamever without giving any detailed analysis of why they think so. Perhaps their standards are lower than mine and deem that unnecessary, who knows. It sounds far too much like people who do that want to like the game, they aren't pushed to really thinking the game stands out incredibly well because of its merits overall. I'm by no means a naysayer like some of the trolls we've seen so far but i think i little perspective is needed. The game isn't bad at all but at the moment i'm finding a lot of negatives which are ruining things for me.
 
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Many of the cons of PES 2011 still apply

-Player switching needs improving
-Keepers are still prone to acting like De Gea :BOP:
-Short lofted passes are still a bit floaty
-Teammates all running for the same ball
-Passes going to the wrong player
-Dribble SFX still too loud
-Hitting the post SFX still doesn't sound right
-Goal nets still act all stretchy
-Too many times where I don't have full control over the player. I can't control how to arrive onto the ball, instead the AI makes me sprint in a straight line onto it etc. Similar problem with heading from a GK kick. Can't control where my keeper kicks it when he kicks it out of his hands.
-Not enough variety - feels too constrained and scripted
-Overall the game still feels too clunky and lacking in fluid animations.

There are plus points tho.
+Shooting is somewhat improved.
+the jockeying is alright.
+the game feels a bit more fluid at times compared to PES 2011
+Some improved animations (outside of the foot pass, crossing and player collisions)
+Crowd sound levels are mixed better
+GK is improved, tho still not good enough


It's better than 2011, but is it enough? In this build, no. Hopefully all the above are improved before release.

ATM, it doesn't feel like a sequel, more like 6 month's worth of patches.
 
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Shooting is weird, in some instance the shots feel weak but the variety of them is bigger in comparison to 2011.
I've taken good shots from angles and positions I wouldn't have been able to in pes 2011.
 
Weatherley said:
Many of the cons of PES 2011 still apply

-Player switching needs improving
-Keepers are still prone to acting like De Gea :BOP:
-Short lofted passes are still a bit floaty
-Teammates all running for the same ball
-Passes going to the wrong player
-Dribble SFX still too loud
-Hitting the post SFX still doesn't sound right
-Goal nets still act all stretchy
-Too many times where I don't have full control over the player. I can't control how to arrive onto the ball, instead the AI makes me sprint in a straight line onto it etc. Similar problem with heading from a GK kick. Can't control where my keeper kicks it when he kicks it out of his hands.
-Not enough variety - feels too constrained and scripted
-Overall the game still feels too clunky and lacking in fluid animations.

There are plus points tho.
+Shooting is somewhat improved.
+the jockeying is alright.
+the game feels a bit more fluid at times compared to PES 2011
+Some improved animations (outside of the foot pass, crossing and player collisions)
+Crowd sound levels are mixed better
+GK is improved, tho still not good enough


It's better than 2011, but is it enough? In this build, no. Hopefully all the above are improved before release.

ATM, it doesn't feel like a sequel, more like 6 month's worth of patches.
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Agree 100%
 
F D B said:
+1.
Just like (almost) every year eversince PES 2008, the initial excitement is now gone, vanished.

The first 3 matches I was like ":CONFUSE: damn, this PES is really good".

After 10 matches I was like ":BLINK: Hmmm... something smells a little fishy here."

After 30-some matches I'm like ":TTTH: Errr.... it is definetely wrong, annoying and at times it's even un-enjoyable."


Back to FIFA 11 now.
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+2
Back to PES6 for my part

I find it senceless to think like that for konami.
This game is the same as last year, they just fixed a few bugs that shouldn't have been there last year if they had done there professional work, meaning trying to make a decent game.
I think i have expected enough from konami. I am in fact tired of waiting.
 
F**K AC MILAN! F**K ITALIAN TEAMS IN PES! I can't defeat them. Well, I could do it yesterday but it seems that today I can only get defeated by MANU or draw with Napoli. They don't want me to win!:RANT:
 
I think too yair. Be patient and get used to all new commands, mastering burst run while dribbling is the critical one (RB + RT + direction when opposite player is near to you). Switch controls to use only left stick for movement. Having that done you can use d-pad to switch many tactics presets and what's more nice animated coach avatar is displayed. Man this is so great.
 
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Really loving the demo and I think the new dribbling/defending system is great.

When a skillful and/or pacey player is running at your defenders it actually makes you scared and think more. It forces you to either wait for a loose touch or shepherd them into the corner and force them to turn or release the ball. And It makes you feel (at least I do) equally effective when running at defenders yourself.

Apart from some wobbly keeping (they never catch an attempt at goal, even the tamest of efforts), a few floaty shots and that It's nigh on impossible to play diagonal balls a la Paul Scholes (:COOL:) without a defender headering it away, I think this could very well be the best PES yet, come release.
 
Yea dribbling feels very good so far apart from speed merchant, that card is so unrealistic its just funny even on 0 speed setting Lavezzi is running around circles like he was 3 times as fast/agile as Messi in real life and it behaves much faster than even in PES 2011.

One thing so far is that ball control of some players as mentioned before is too good, if they widen the gap there then dribbling is SPOT on perfect.
 
1. I see a lot of people saying that catch-up is gone, but to me it seems to still be there in some capacity. My fastest players can't outrun anyone without knock-aheads and I rarely ever get 1 person through on goal.
2. The AI just constantly close you down like brainless drones. Not fixed.
3. The refereeing is still awful. Not fixed.
4. Player positioning for corners is terrible. They make strange runs and end up nowhere near the ball.
5. AI are too hard to tackle, even using R2/RT. They endlessly do this little sidestep thing at the last second.
6. New stats display is terrible. It splits players stats into grades which you have to select to see.
7. AI are way better at blocking shots/crosses than you are.
8. Shot choices are often weak leading to awful shots. Sometimes they don't even aim where you are pointing. Not fixed.
9. Left/right-backs will happily stand 10 yards behind your centre-backs playing everyone onside.
10. Heading is still 50/50. Not fixed.

The only serious improvement I can see is that your players will not slow to a complete standstill when they recieve the ball.

Minor-minor-minor improvement. It's a patch, not a new game.
 
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Stardog said:
1. I see a lot of people saying that catch-up is gone, but to me it seems to still be there in some capacity. My fastest players can't outrun anyone without knock-aheads and I rarely ever get 1 person through on goal.
2. The AI just constantly close you down like brainless drones. Not fixed.
3. The refereeing is still awful. Not fixed.
4. Player positioning for corners is terrible. They make strange runs and end up nowhere near the ball.
5. AI are too hard to tackle, even using R2/RT. They endlessly do this little sidestep thing at the last second.
6. New stats display is terrible. It splits players stats into grades which you have to select to see.
7. AI are way better at blocking shots/crosses than you are.
8. Shot choices are often weak leading to awful shots. Sometimes they don't even aim where you are pointing. Not fixed.
9. Left/right-backs will happily be 10 yards behind your centre-backs playing everyone onside.
10. Heading is still 50/50. Not fixed.

The only serious improvement I can see is that your players will not be at a complete standstill when they recieve the ball, breaking down any speed of attack.

Minor-minor-minor improvement.
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No offense, but you have some messed up expectations. You just jumped on one of the best A.I the football genre has seen in video games. Far from perfect, but if you thought PES 11 A.I was bad, and this is bad, well you have trouble reading serious changes.

And for the corners, I'm not sure if a fix is in store, but the impression that I got is that the players will not automatically head towards the ball unless you position yourself manually.

Either way you have off the ball controls to position your player.
 
Stardog said:
1. I see a lot of people saying that catch-up is gone, but to me it seems to still be there in some capacity. My fastest players can't outrun anyone without knock-aheads and I rarely ever get 1 person through on goal.
2. The AI just constantly close you down like brainless drones. Not fixed.
3. The refereeing is still awful. Not fixed.
4. Player positioning for corners is terrible. They make strange runs and end up nowhere near the ball.
5. AI are too hard to tackle, even using R2/RT. They endlessly do this little sidestep thing at the last second.
6. New stats display is terrible. It splits players stats into grades which you have to select to see.
7. AI are way better at blocking shots/crosses than you are.
8. Shot choices are often weak leading to awful shots. Sometimes they don't even aim where you are pointing. Not fixed.
9. Left/right-backs will happily stand 10 yards behind your centre-backs playing everyone onside.
10. Heading is still 50/50. Not fixed.

The only serious improvement I can see is that your players will not slow to a complete standstill when they recieve the ball.

Minor-minor-minor improvement. It's a patch, not a new game.
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This I disagree with.I have tested it several times and at times it appears that the AI will just watch you if you stop for dead with the ball
 
You just jumped on one of the best A.I the football genre has seen in video games.
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Err, no. And there are only 2 proper football games.

kouroux said:
This I disagree with.I have tested it several times and at times it appears that the AI will just watch you if you stop for dead with the ball
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Yeah, if you trap it, but that's not much use. I was hoping they'd run to block where I could pass to instead of charging at me.

Watch this video when Giggs runs to the top. It's just constant and the AI just chooses the nearest player to send after me.

YouTube - pes2012 2011-08-24 22-17-56-50222.avi
 
I just had yet another local multiplayer session and all I can say it's the best game to play with friends I've ever played.

And like I said previously, there's where you can see the difference between the best players of the game and the not so good ones. Because you're friends obviously won't defend as tight as the CPU, you'll have chances to break through it with speedy f*ckers like Hulk and Nani and make serious damage with that. It feels so good, the sudden speed bursts from those players, and then your team mates trying to keep up so they can support you in creating chances, that rush feeling, and the balance is perfect, there's nothing to change here.
 
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I just had yet another local multiplayer session and all I can say it's the best game to play with friends I've ever played.

And like I said previously, there's where you can see the difference between the best players of the game and the not so good ones.
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I didn't notice much difference between speedy players and non speedy ones, in both cases the defenders can't catch up to you after you gat trough and have a bit of an advantage if they are fast defenders or slow ones, either way I didn't notice that speed makes much of a difference at all, did you test this troughout?

I also didn't notice much difference in dribbling accuracy, Vidic who has 69 DA when running with the ball has almost the same control as someone with 90~ DA, in Pes 2011 DA had a much bigger difference even if it was 10 smaller.
 
I have found
how to defend those burst runs from opponents ... R2+X while defending snatches the ball from the attacker 90% times ... Its an art , seemslike i have mastered it :)
 
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pes2012gonbegood said:
I didn't notice much difference between speedy players and non speedy ones, in both cases the defenders can't catch up to you after you gat trough and have a bit of an advantage if they are fast defenders or slow ones, either way I didn't notice that speed makes much of a difference at all, did you test this troughout?

I also didn't notice much difference in dribbling accuracy, Vidic who has 69 DA when running with the ball has almost the same control as someone with 90~ DA, in Pes 2011 DA had a much bigger difference even if it was 10 smaller.
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Did you play multiplayer though? that was the point of my post.

Also, about the players dribbling, try playing with Peñarol, the difference is quite dramatic.
 
iNSaNiTyX said:
never played PES on PC before, but wow, what a terrible port.

back to fifa then.
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Yeah.When I saw XBOX 360 buttons displayed on the main menu,the word "port"occurred to me.I run the settings in the setup folder and I had to map my gamepad buttons based on a xbox 360 controller.It was not that difficult,though.I looked at the recommended requirements and they were simple ridicle,really low for what I would call "next gen" PC game,what endorsed the port nature.I know it's just the first demo released,but I don't know if the requirements will increase so much in the second demo.However, the fact that there will be Brazilian Portuguese commentaries really interested me in purchasing the game, a feature missing in FIFA 11/12 that drove many potential buyers off,including myself,that still play FIFA 10.
 
So you're considering to buy PES 2012 simply because it will have the Brazilian/Portuguese commentary?:COOL:
I don't see how that's wise, unless you like the actual game. Personally I think it's better than PES 2011 but it's still miles behind FIFA.

PES 5/6 were a dynamite in comparison. It's the gameplay that matters, not whether the commentary is good or not. Or whether you have your own commentary in game.
 
For the friends are saying that the balance between offense and defense are good: open your eyes!!!!!! This "great" balance you're saying would be good in arcade games, not in simulation ones, that Pes used to be. I want a tight defense for me and against me!! I don't want loose defenders and an unrealistic score (5x4, 6x5). This Pes is far from real football. Sorry my friends, but you're settling for few (maybe that's the reason Konami is not doing a good work since the engine of Pes changed)
 
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