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PES 2012 PC Demo talk

AI attackers easily get through Vidic and Ferdinand even when I am trying to contain them! Defense needs more effectiveness.
 
I watched a video on youtube from the demo where the AI did the sexiest one-two I have ever seen. CPU seems freaking amazing at times.

Edit:

It's in one of these I think, can't watch them now. If you watch them, look out for when the CPU is playing to the left goal, outside the penalty box it does a pretty short one-two, where the other player just calmly lay it back to the passer. Looks crazy realistic.
YouTube - [Gameplay] PES 2012 DEMO ; Santos - Peñarol 1er Tiempo
YouTube - [Gameplay] PES 2012 DEMO ; Santos - Peñarol 2do Tiempo
 
Tbh I have no problems defending at all. I'm totally used to the jockey defending from 2011 so no problems here. Probably most of you having problems are used to the older easy defending.
 
Lami said:
Tbh I have no problems defending at all. I'm totally used to the jockey defending from 2011 so no problems here. Probably most of you having problems are used to the older easy defending.
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I am used to jockey also but the AI just keeps pushing me backward then when I try to stop the AI player from advancing he goes past me with ease!
 
I wonder if the Portugese keeper in the Under 20 World Cup final was only at 80% build :P

He parried one onto the Brazilian's foot and got lobbed by another...
 
AlaaEG said:
I am used to jockey also but the AI just keeps pushing me backward then when I try to stop the AI player from advancing he goes past me with ease!
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You need more practice then ;)

On another note, I've just installed Camera tweak and changed the angle to 300 on the Pitch side cam.

Lovely.
 
StarEye said:
300? I only managed to set it to 255, couldn't get it higher than that.
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Well after reading your post, I've "alt+tab"'d to check and you are right, it is 255. I did input 300 and saved it though :LOL: Looks like it automatically changed to the max number.

It sure looks amazing though.
 
That's all I can say to you. I've really no problems defending. Either I win the ball or the cpu outplays me.
 
Lami said:
Well after reading your post, I've "alt+tab"'d to check and you are right, it is 255. I did input 300 and saved it though :LOL: Looks like it automatically changed to the max number.

It sure looks amazing though.
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It does, much more like the old-style Wide camera, without the slightly rotating camera. Hopefully the full version will be equally as easy to fix.
 
aitk3n said:
i don't understand why people are complaining, i don't want this game to turn into a complete speed fest where all u need is fast players to win games or beat a player, which in reality its not the case, i think the dribbling and pace is spot on and wouldn't change it at all
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I totally agree. Most people also forget about the "form of the day" of players.
In real life a player with 10% speed less can overrun his opponent because he is not in the mood to run at fullspeed.
 
oh boy, konami what have you done?

I am terribly dissapointed with the demo. You took the soul and passion taht made pes unique and turned it into an arcadey game. The passes are now worse than pes 2011 with the ball floatey and hardly reaching the players, teh ball trickles past the keeper in slow motion and into the bacvk of the net 30 yds away from goal, the player turn and move defying laws of physics, all in all it looks like a bad copy of fifa 05, which I played when I was a kid. And the nets, if the nets in real life are like these then I'm blind. It all looks like when fifa incorporated their 3d game in Fifa Manager, take a look at that and see if I'm right.

What hapened? You were eading in teh right direction Konami with the game lat year. the passes were fien, yes the AI needed improvement and the shooting some tweaking here and theren, but instead you changed gear and head into the past. i don't knwo if you try to please pes fans with a pes 6 feel buty I'm afarid those times are gone, need to move on.

All pes needed lst year was just improvements on the part of AI (defending) team mate AI, improve the nets, the shooting and the the off-pitch atmosphere (Master league- with live feeds from other games, transfers, managers - for me anyway) and other modes.

I used to be a fifa fan until 2008 when Fifa pissed on the pc version and regurgited some old shit, and then, discovered the beauty of pes (a game which has or had soul)don't turn into fifa, konami, seabass.
 
I'd rather PES didn't turn into FIFA where players constantly passed the ball to Ronaldo and then just spammed the sprint button knowing he couldn't ge caught. Completely ruined the game at times.
 
has anyone got around the Time Expander?? would love to play 20 min matches between santos and penoral, slow, systematic buildup.
 
Glad to see some different opinions regarding speed. I think it's pretty much spot on in terms of balancing faster and slower players, I deffo don't want Konami to think that needs changing... Also, did you know the most skillful players have an extra "speed" boost with which you can beat players in speed? That's what I meant with the "bursts", just didn't knew for sure how I and the CPU were doing them, but there's a whole thread about it here: http://forums.evo-web.co.uk/showthread.php?t=64559

As for defense, It requires quite a relearning, that's all. When there's a whole training challenge to teach you how to defend properly, you know that's the case.

But obviously it will always depend on who you're defending against. Ibra and Robinho are very hard to stop (they're a bit overrated imo) but if you play against the likes of Napoli you'll see the differences.
 
Some problems:

1- A problem in cursor change again.. I hope KONAMI will fix it

2- Tactics are great, more options, more formations and easy to use, but I can't edit tactics trigger as I used to in previous PES.
 
Heard some people mentioning cursor change problems, but I have none of these?

Also, keep in mind you can also change players with the right stick now, if you think L1 isn't doing it's job properly.
 
_anderson said:
Glad to see some different opinions regarding speed. I think it's pretty much spot on in terms of balancing faster and slower players, I deffo don't want Konami to think that needs changing...
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What are you talking about? I didn't notice any difference in speed if I compared someone with 80 or someone with 90 top speed, maybe im just blind.
 
sebbisor said:
oh boy, konami what have you done?

I am terribly dissapointed with the demo. You took the soul and passion taht made pes unique and turned it into an arcadey game. The passes are now worse than pes 2011 with the ball floatey and hardly reaching the players, teh ball trickles past the keeper in slow motion and into the bacvk of the net 30 yds away from goal, the player turn and move defying laws of physics, all in all it looks like a bad copy of fifa 05, which I played when I was a kid. And the nets, if the nets in real life are like these then I'm blind. It all looks like when fifa incorporated their 3d game in Fifa Manager, take a look at that and see if I'm right.

What hapened? You were eading in teh right direction Konami with the game lat year. the passes were fien, yes the AI needed improvement and the shooting some tweaking here and theren, but instead you changed gear and head into the past. i don't knwo if you try to please pes fans with a pes 6 feel buty I'm afarid those times are gone, need to move on.

All pes needed lst year was just improvements on the part of AI (defending) team mate AI, improve the nets, the shooting and the the off-pitch atmosphere (Master league- with live feeds from other games, transfers, managers - for me anyway) and other modes.

I used to be a fifa fan until 2008 when Fifa pissed on the pc version and regurgited some old shit, and then, discovered the beauty of pes (a game which has or had soul)don't turn into fifa, konami, seabass.
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Finally someone who's opinion I can relate to.
 
1.Goalkeepers are very bad and make horrible mistakes

2.Shooting is improved but still floaty sometimes and overall the ball travels too slow when shot ( +1 Speed is the most realistic in terms of ball speed but then the movement of players is way unrealistic and im not even talking about speed merchant people, movement of players is most realistic on -1 I feel )

3.Passing needs some improvements still, even when set on fully manual I feel its quite assisted

4.Close control is way too good, Vidic running with R1 controling the ball like Messi when he runs almost

5.Speed of players is WEIRD, when holding R1 it seems like they dont run full speed they seem to fast jog, when tapping the push the ball forward but I dont notice much change in speed either and it seems the players dont accelerate at all, once they do a move and start running they run as they do without change of speed

6.Shot fake is pretty good but you can only do it in 3 directions, why not 8 at least?

7.Again regarding speed I just don't notice any difference between Nani or Ferdinand... it seems they all run at the same speed more or less, a difference from 90 to 80 top speed should be SUBSTANTIAL and NOTICABLE.

8.Speed merchant is even more unrealistic as last year now that they increased the pace of animations, its completely RIDICILOUS, try lavezzi even on 0 Speed and use R1 and change directions , he runs and changes direction 2 times as fast as messi does in real life if not more, its laughable really.

9.Im having a hard time understanding why KONAMI removed shot technique, acceleration and aggresion.
We were talking how KONAMI needs to add more new stats so that they can replicate players and how good they are, but they go on and remove 3 stats completely and add 1 lol what the hell, and acceleration is like one of the most important stats for say people like Messi to beat defenders.

10.Players feet go through the ball very often during animations and stuff like that but im sure it will be fixed in the final code.



These issues need to be fixed and addressed and then PES 2012 will be a pretty good game, much better than 2011.
 
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