Re: PES 2009 News, Discussion and Rumours
I'll start my posts in this thread with a mixture of a rant and food for thought.
Quoting Badgerman from the previous thread,
Badgerman said:
I reckon Leipzig will only tell us if the game is shit or not.
Last year Leipzig was when the ball dropped and everyone knew it. If the game is good then people will still be sceptical as that's what we specialise in.
And even that, I fear won't be the end of it. From scepticism to criticism is a small step which many people are willing to take.
The truth is that people have become spoiled. I remember when the only news we had from PES were from the WE version that was released way before PES. ThomasGoal and Kaiwai would give us news, translate stuff... It was top. It helped us become excited about it. There was no such thing as hate, no flames, no wars, just plain ol' Badger-style-luvin' going on. And it was fantastic.
The problem came when people started believing that Konami owed them stuff. Konami owed them the modes they wanted for themselves. Konami owed them "The Premiership license" (which every once in a while someone posts here saying something like "if Konami doesn't have the Premiership license next year, the game will be crap", without realising that that license is out of reach because of legal stuff and exlusivity deals). Konami owed them a "Manager Mode" full of seasons and stuff. Since Konami used to make the best football game, people started believing that Konami owed them their perfect game, and started resenting Konami for not delivering it. "Why, oh why Seabass won't you make my game???".
That is the problem nowadays. Once you realize that it IS just a game, and that you are NOT forced to buy it, the hate will disappear. You'll take what they bring out. You'll buy it if you feel like it.
I never thought that this strategy of bringing the game out in europe first would backfire, but I honestly believe that the game reception was much better overall when the game came out first in Japan. Since the marketing was made for Japanese people, we'd just have to take whatever they gave them, and try to make the best of it, instead of behaving like spoiled children.
Afterwards, some people would import the game after release, starting playing it. All the others would eagerly see videos, and count the days until the game got here. Also, the fact that the game arrived in Japan 4 months earlier than FIFA, no comparisons would ensue. When FIFA arrived, we would have already had Pro Evo love, and so we could either play FIFA (if it was better), or continuing playing PES (like things usually went).
Do you really want to see how times have changed?
I present you two games, which the veterans will remember fondly.
ISS Pro Evolution 1 (aka Winning Eleven 4), released in 1999 for the PS One.
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/psx/issproevolution
and ISS Pro Evolution 2 (a crippled Winning Eleven 2000 U-23), releasid in 2001 for the PS One.
http://www.metacritic.com/games/platforms/psx/issproevolution2
In the Japanese releases, the big difference was that there were the Under-23 national teams, which allowed for a great Master League experience with unknown youngsters, and had the U-23 Championship, which was missing from the European release.
Furthermore, one of the games had 32 directions to move while running (similar to nowadays), while the other only had 16 (remember how you ran in PES2 with R2?). Also, the "Shoot+Pass" feint had its direction reversed.
Asides from this, there were little more noticeable differences. Maybe the Master League had a second division, I'm not sure. But no licenses or anything of the style as we've grown used to nowadays.
Even the covers were ridiculously similar - one being orange-y, the other being in green tones. The graphics were just the same, also.
Still, the second game, released two years after, is fondly remembered by many as the best in the series, and in metacritic it has a higher average.
If you lived through this, you'll probably be smiling from that fuzzy, nostalgic feeling.
As you know, nowadays there's no place for the few of us who just want to live through the same experiences. The times have changed. So little changes would be unreasonable - a reason for mockery and scepticism, just like the thread we had until this morning.
Dar said:
Yeah, I agree with Badger here, Thomas has been here longer than most and every year he was quick with the fresh news and scans and always had the info as soon as it was available.
I remember back in the day, it didn't matter what speculation or rumour it was, it was welcomed and discussed and even if it turned out to be absolute bollox it wasn't a problem, usually what was expected. But it was nice to dream....
These days we have too many spoiled people who expect the world and if something is seemingly dangled in front of them and then taken away, they take it as something having being stolen from them and react accordingly.
I for one miss TG's news updates and would ask him to reconsider posting it here, whatever it may be, for the true fans (and oldtimers
) who will appreciate it.
This was why I joined Evo-web.
I respect the people who post here, no matter the camp they're on, and what their oppinions towards the game are.
I just wish that they wouldn't make it impossible for those of us who actually come here for the reasons Dar pointed out...
Everyone's got a hammer and nails at hand, ready to crucify whoever brings news - even if they are well reputed people who are bringing rumours - and spit on them as soon as the news prove false.
TG is reduced to few posts nowadays.
Adam and Suff are ridiculed and considered outcasts by most forum users here.
In the old days, all was info came out of contacts and rumours - some true, mostly rubbish.
As soon as Adam and Suff - out of inexperience, a lot of good-faith and good-will - started giving us all the info that their contacts gave them, we took it personal and took advantage of every ocasion to remind them that they are liars and of no use to us. See, it just happened to TG in this same thread!
No wonder we don't get a glimpse of news or rumours. I'm guessing Seabass himself will have to come here to the forums and post the official announcements, so that we can believe in the news.
Does anyone know where TG posts his news nowadays?
Best regards,
Paulo Tavares
P.S. - Props to the mods for beginning a new thread. Honest.
now to go into it on 08.
