PES 13 Master League Thread

Just go for a Championship side with the original team line-ups on either Professional or Top Player. Try and take a smaller club into the EPL and Europe. I'm loving this level of teams and feel it's very balanced.

Playing with the shitty defaults on Superstar is always going to be a very, very tough ask. With individuality as it is, I'm not suprised they are missing simple balls, or falling over themselves. I would suspect defenders go missing and misjudge the path of the ball as well, or a feeling of artisic licence that replicates pure technique seeming extremely blatant. In which ever form that may materialise.

I think if you wish to attempt such a high level of difficulty across the board, at least do that in another 6-9 months when you have become even more experienced with the game, and not the first few months. I'm not suggesting that will stop what is currently happening, but at least it's a challenge that can be addressed once others have been mastered.
 
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suuuuupertalk,

I wish you would just let yourself have some fun.

If you chose an average side, the game is still incredibly difficult, especially if you implement some obvious rules.

For example, as Schalke I started the ML with a very average side. I had 4 good players, all rated in the mid-70s (Farfan, Affelay, Huntelaar, and Howedes). All the rest of the players are rated in the 60s. But because they have teamwork stats in the 60s and 70s, I can still play as a team and we can win our fair share of games.

I put schalke in the second division and promotion was still impossible our first year. I'm beginning the second year and we are 4th from top.

However, to keep things interesting, I have a few rules.

When I receive a transfer request for a player, if the team making the request is higher that Schalke in club ranking, I have to make the transfer. We are rated 152 or something and Fenerbahce made a request for my best player, Huntelaar, in the first transfer window. They were rated 40, so I had to sell the player.

Also, I can also only make transfer request of players that are on teams with a club ranking below Schalke. There is no authenticity in transfering Sturridge from Chelsea to Schalke in the second division of the Bundesliga. However, this policy does not apply to Loans. Also, I can make transfers for any German team in 1st or 2nd division. You do see this in real life.

Coach and trainer max is 3 million. Doctor max is 40,000. I put the scout at 5 million but it has to be the scout who is an expert at domestic clubs. While i am still a minnow in the second division, and certainly even in the bottom half of the first division, it is only authentic if most of my scouting is in Germany.

I can only make transfer requests from the "List of Targets" or from the Transfer Listed or Loan Listed in the advanced search. No other searching for hidden gems.

In the Shop I can only use my points for training assistance (Stopwatch, balance disk, etc). No purchasing Condition points, Skills, Stat-boosts, etc. I will buy a Physiotherapist and Fatigue Trainer if necessary.

And other rules. I guess what I am saying is that the game is already very difficult. If you choose an average side, with some of these rules, the game gets incredibly strategic. At first, I was so disappointed to lose my two best players in the first year to Fenerbahce (Huntelaar) and Lille (Howedes) because of my club ranking rule. But it made me scramble and rethink my formation. It also gave me money to spend. And I still had to worry about the teamwork issue.

In summary, I guess I would say this:

1) start with an average side
2) Institute the club ranking rule
3) limit your spending on management
4) limit your spending in the shop


Edit: as per your post in the other thread, I can confirm that the teamwork stat is not always so drastic a plunge. I signed a LB who went from 71 to 42 after signing and striker who went from 68 to 58. There is no rhyme or reason, but it is at least not so drastic.
 
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Jimmy G-Force said:
Just go for a Championship side with the original team line-ups on either Professional or Top Player. Try and take a smaller club into the EPL and Europe. I'm loving this level of teams and feel it's very balanced.

Playing with the shitty defaults on Superstar is always going to be a very, very tough ask. With individuality as it is, I'm not suprised they are missing simple balls, or falling over themselves. I would suspect defenders go missing and misjudge the path of the ball as well, or a feeling of artisic licence that replicates pure technique seeming extremely blatant. In which ever form that may materialise.

I think if you wish to attempt such a high level of difficulty across the board, at least do that in another 6-9 months when you have become even more experienced with the game, and not the first few months. I'm not suggesting that will stop what is currently happening, but at least it's a challenge that can be addressed once others have been mastered.
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I appreciate what you say, but the main issue is that I can't improve that team to any real degree because the teamwork stats are so vital yet seem so broken. I just don't know how you can improve them.
 
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I appreciate what you say, but the main issue is that I can't improve that team to any real degree because the teamwork stats are so vital yet seem so broken. I just don't know how you can improve them.
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Fair point, but it still is what it is, even with better TM stats, it won't really have a massive impact due the fact the players lack in every other area. So they are shit, and you just can't help when shit beyond your control happens, artistic licence- means to an end.

Superb post Rad, loved that.
 
Started a normal Master League with Olympique Lyonnais in ligue 1

On professional with 2 bars assist, seems really poor. Every game defeated by set pieces and own goals. Scored one and conceded twelve - 9 goals from set pieces and two own goals. All four matches nil nil just before half time. Own goals due to demented goalkeeper AI.(see Suupertalks video for an example of barmy AI)

I have noticed before the CPU tends to score just before half time,but this takes the biscuit. The latest own goal was ridiculous. Opposition player lobs a ball into my box goalie comes out collides into fullback at penalty spot ball rolls into net very slowly.

I edited my own French Ligue 1 you cannot believe how crap Konamis research is some their players in teams over three years out of date.

Just had decent match in the UEFA Europa League, still lost again 2-1 though but no own goals or set pieces against CSKA Moskva.

I will persevere with this, but its a bit discouraging after five defeats on the bounce.

Have not looked at the teamwork problem yet

Another defeat 3-0 to Montpellier three unstoppable through balls.

Bottom of the league and had four players picked for international duty - ridiculous.

Yet again concede two minutes before ht to Toulouse. and another two nil defeat. I used to play top player looks like I am going to drop down to regular this is worst PES I have ever played since it started. I think the people praising the game play must be playing a different game to me.
 
I started as Leeds United, professional difficulty, one bar passing assist. I've just won the D2 league, with Becchio as top scorer and Diouf as the best player in the league. Been playing a 4-4-1-1, the same formation as how manchester united plays and it works pretty well. Diouf has been my very best playmaker so far. I've only conceded 15 goals the whole season, less that half of the other top teams, and scored a little more than them. I've just had the safe hands achievement, probably because i've conceded so few goals. Kazim Kazim is my only signing so far, he usually plays at a right midfielder or as a replacement to Diouf in the ss position when he is out of form, fatigued or injured. Other than that, i've promoted Nouhei and Aartmen from the youth team, and they've been playing well so far.

I've decided to only move up to superstar once i get better players. I'm expecting the EPL to be a much bigger challenge than the NPower League which has been very comfortable for me.

Some tips for all those people out there, to overcome the long balls, through balls, crosses and those funny moments in the box; is to use the clearance button more often(just spam it). Don't always try to pass the ball out of the box. When defending just use x and r1+x. One habit that the computer tries to do is to try and burst pass you when you get too close when pressing x. When he bursts quickly hold r1+X and he will wrestle the ball off the opposing player. R1+X works a treat when trying to go side by side with the opposing player as well, forcing them into a stumble animation. I also use square just to position my teammate closer to the ball carrier, making them auto contain when you let go of square button. Always try to block passing routes and press at the same time, using a combination of square, x and r1+x. To be honest, i find double tap x to be quite redundant; most of the time the computer times its tackles alot better than i do, making r1+X much more efficient.

I also like using r2 to stop my movement and change direction quickly. It allows me to get much better angles for passing, simply because it makes the players body square, and makes it so much easier to get pass players.
 
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Nope, that's it, I'm not bothering to finish the season. I finally win a match, 3-0, my first win in 9 matches, then what happens next? I get a message telling me that Fellype Gabriel, my star player, captain, the only player with any ability whatsoever is injured for three months and out for the rest of the season.

I then check my finances and I'm up shit creek there too.

I then play my next match and the game goes fucking mental, im losing 5-0 inside 28 minutes. You heard that right. 5-0, halfway through the first half.

I'd love to know if anyone else has tried ML defaults on superstar and zero assists. I can't see how it's possible to achieve anything, that last match, every shot of any description just went in.

I think a restart is in order, contrary to what lot of people think I still believe the patch made minor alterations to gameplay (IMO its made the CPU just that tiny bit more ruthless in a ropey, almost scripted kind of way) so the patch is gonna be removed. It'll be interesting to see if the pre-patch version does anything to ML too. I think I'm gonna go pre-patch, down to Top Player and and I'm not gonna fork out so much money on the youth players this time either. With the exception of Neillendner they're all shite.

Bring back Shimizu! He may have been a whiny little bitch but he got the job done!
 
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I have finished with this embarrassment of a game. Ten league defeats in a row to mainly mediocre teams. The game is beyond redemption. There is so much wrong with the gameplay it is a joke.
Doubt I will play this game ever again, there is too much wrong with it.
 
Suuuuupertalk said:
Nope, that's it, I'm not bothering to finish the season. I finally win a match, 3-0, my first win in 9 matches, then what happens next? I get a message telling me that Fellype Gabriel, my star player, captain, the only player with any ability whatsoever is injured for three months and out for the rest of the season.

I then check my finances and I'm up shit creek there too.

I then play my next match and the game goes fucking mental, im losing 5-0 inside 28 minutes. You heard that right. 5-0, halfway through the first half.

I'd love to know if anyone else has tried ML defaults on superstar and zero assists. I can't see how it's possible to achieve anything, that last match, every shot of any description just went in.

I think a restart is in order, contrary to what lot of people think I still believe the patch made minor alterations to gameplay (IMO its made the CPU just that tiny bit more ruthless in a ropey, almost scripted kind of way) so the patch is gonna be removed. It'll be interesting to see if the pre-patch version does anything to ML too. I think I'm gonna go pre-patch, down to Top Player and and I'm not gonna fork out so much money on the youth players this time either. With the exception of Neillendner they're all shite.

Bring back Shimizu! He may have been a whiny little bitch but he got the job done!
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Master League is shit in it's conception this year but the gameplay is great. Not really sure how to judge it but it's not good and i think needs a patch at least by Konami to sort out the team work like you said, the form, back to last year or the year before where you could generate good form by playing regularly and your stats determined how up for it you where i away games.

I'd be happy to have the full PES 2011 or 2012 master league back. Terrible how Konami have dubbed it down so much as if it's a practice ode for online play:RANT:

I would NEVER play vs the CPU with full manual passing, i would only do that vs a human, i play with 1 bar, 0 bars if i'm plays vs someone else doing the same. Balance, thats what it seems 0 passing is for, playing vs someone else, not the CPU who are fundamentally robots.

I would start a Master League with an average team rather than a shit team. I started two with celta and deportivo and trust me, you will just get your ass kicked with these sides. Its a challenge, but it will take a lot of time.
 
I've restarted my ML with Benfica. All the same settings, just this time, I've removed the patch. As I've posted in the main thread, the differences to difficulty and the way the games pan out is absolutely remarkable.

So, given now that I feel like I can actually control my ML defaults again, I've restarted and am so far having a blast.

I've learned from some key mistakes with player recruitment from my first time around, and have been more frugal with my money. First thing was to offload a small handful of squad players to release some extra funds. Next, came some signings.

In came GK Borcarques for a fee of £200,000, Left midfielder/left back Paljic for £400,000, and Brazilian striker Everton Costa from Coritiba for £200,000. All of their teamwork stats have also plummeted but having no solution to that, I'll just have to play them all the time to see if it can improve by much. Also coming in, from the youth team, are Nouhei, Niellendner and Wroughllen.

With my gameplan and regular starting eleven set up (I set this up just in case the game took their starting positions in gameplan as some kind of indicator as playing their 'regularly' so they'd bed in quicker), I've began the season the total opposite of last time. Three wins and two draws have seen me lead the table early on, with Everton emerging as the star of the show, scoring five times in his opening five matches.

Everton Costa's greatest moment so far has been a stunning hat-trick in the away win over Atletico CP. Each one of them absolute beauties:

YouTube - PES2013 Éverton Hat-tick
 
SHAYMAN said:
I have finished with this embarrassment of a game. Ten league defeats in a row to mainly mediocre teams. The game is beyond redemption. There is so much wrong with the gameplay it is a joke.
Doubt I will play this game ever again, there is too much wrong with it.
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I must warn you, if you say you lost 10 games in a row in master league, most people, they won't post here but people watching will just think that 'you suck' and will just totally disregard you opinion of the game being broken and will just simply say 'learn to play'.

You haven't given whats happened so i cannot say this myself, i had something 'similar' with Deportivo, i won 1 game from 8, drew 2 and lost the rest, rather frustratingly.

The key was no center back who had anything near 75 for defence so they ran about at 6's and 7's.

Key things to remember:

- Play your players on form, the CPU will ALWAYS play whoever is on form, no matter their ability, so every game will be hard, since all their players are raring and up for it.

If you don't, things will just fall their way all the time and you 'think' they are pure cheating. No, it's just the form arrows. If works both ways.

- Tactics, be aware of your frustration, be aware when the CPU have outdone you, be aware if they change tactics during the game 'most teams have the horrible, 'long ball, or 'quick counter'.
 
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Started a normal Master League with Olympique Lyonnais in ligue 1

On professional with 2 bars assist, seems really poor. Every game defeated by set pieces and own goals. Scored one and conceded twelve - 9 goals from set pieces and two own goals. All four matches nil nil just before half time. Own goals due to demented goalkeeper AI.(see Suupertalks video for an example of barmy AI)

I have noticed before the CPU tends to score just before half time,but this takes the biscuit. The latest own goal was ridiculous. Opposition player lobs a ball into my box goalie comes out collides into fullback at penalty spot ball rolls into net very slowly.

I edited my own French Ligue 1 you cannot believe how crap Konamis research is some their players in teams over three years out of date.

Just had decent match in the UEFA Europa League, still lost again 2-1 though but no own goals or set pieces against CSKA Moskva.

I will persevere with this, but its a bit discouraging after five defeats on the bounce.

Have not looked at the teamwork problem yet

Another defeat 3-0 to Montpellier three unstoppable through balls.

Bottom of the league and had four players picked for international duty - ridiculous.

Yet again concede two minutes before ht to Toulouse. and another two nil defeat. I used to play top player looks like I am going to drop down to regular this is worst PES I have ever played since it started. I think the people praising the game play must be playing a different game to me.
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Oh shit, I've just seen this. Well again that advice i made again applies to you here.

Once again, i am the only person who never suffers this 'issue' there's always a hyped issue, this year being through balls. I don't concede too many through balls at all, i see them coming from an absolute mile off. I can read them like a book.

anyway with lyon, you, really, really shouldn't be losing at all, with them, on professional, you should be kicking ass!

Infact, i might even play with Lyon now on professional, i done all the tactics in ligue 1. I'll try and see where your coming from. i'll do that now.
 
klashman69 said:
Master League is shit in it's conception this year but the gameplay is great. Not really sure how to judge it but it's not good and i think needs a patch at least by Konami to sort out the team work like you said, the form, back to last year or the year before where you could generate good form by playing regularly and your stats determined how up for it you where i away games.

I'd be happy to have the full PES 2011 or 2012 master league back. Terrible how Konami have dubbed it down so much as if it's a practice ode for online play:RANT:

I would NEVER play vs the CPU with full manual passing, i would only do that vs a human, i play with 1 bar, 0 bars if i'm plays vs someone else doing the same. Balance, thats what it seems 0 passing is for, playing vs someone else, not the CPU who are fundamentally robots.

I would start a Master League with an average team rather than a shit team. I started two with celta and deportivo and trust me, you will just get your ass kicked with these sides. Its a challenge, but it will take a lot of time.
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I think this year's ML is perhaps too basic, but in some respects that's refreshing after all the interference from moaning players in last year's game. If only the teamwork issue wasn't there then I wouldn't have a lot to complain about with the mode. That said, going forward, Konami must start to make this mode more complex.

As for passing, well, I play against the CPU with zero bars on passing, but it's not completely manual. There are clear differences in speed and accuracy with those gifted on the ball. I just can't play the game any other way now. The freedom you get on zero is unmatched.

Like I said in the main thread, the differences that I've found between patch and non-patch version are amazing. Post-patch, on the hardest possible settings, the CPU absolutely thrashes you. A lot of the time, it does so in a very clearly artificial, unfair way.

Remove the patch, however, and the game is still tough but more error prone and more organic. The CPU doesn't seem to mercilessly smash you out of site, and this is in part because the game pre-patch doesn't screw around with your players off the ball and the tackling mechanics actually work. Why they altered tackling effectiveness to make it more like PES2012 post-patch, I'll never know. I think they probably meant to tweak it slightly to make tackling less dominant, but went too far with it, and with ML defaults that difference really shows, and hard.
 
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Suuuuupertalk said:
I think this year's ML is perhaps too basic, but in some respects that's refreshing after all the interference from moaning players in last year's game. If only the teamwork issue wasn't there then I wouldn't have a lot to complain about with the mode. That said, going forward, Konami must start to make this mode more complex.

As for passing, well, I play against the CPU with zero bars on passing, but it's not completely manual. There are clear differences in speed and accuracy with those gifted on the ball. I just can't play the game any other way now. The freedom you get on zero is unmatched.

Like I said in the main thread, the differences that I've found between patch and non-patch version are amazing. Post-patch, on the hardest possible settings, the CPU absolutely thrashes you. A lot of the time, it does so in a very clearly artificial, unfair way.

Remove the patch, however, and the game is still tough but more error prone and more organic. The CPU doesn't seem to mercilessly smash you out of site, and this is in part because the game pre-patch doesn't screw around with your players off the ball and the tackling mechanics actually work. Why they altered tackling effectiveness to make it more like PES2012 post-patch, I'll never know. I think they probably meant to tweak it slightly to make tackling less dominant, but went too far with it, and with ML defaults that difference really shows, and hard.
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To be honest i thought the patch made things better. we i'm happy with it at least anyway.

i can see the next 1.02 patch being truly class, no idea what they have planned but the base is so solid, it will only get better.

The moaning players last year was really good, i liked that, i liked having to manage your stars, players would pester you to play, wouldn't just happily sit on the bench, this was silly of people to not be happy about this, people being idealistic, wanting to buy a silly super team with messi, crisitano, falcao, kompany, ribery all int he same first team and have players like fabregas and david silva happily sitting on the bench, which does not happen in real life football,

stars have egos and want to play!

I enjoyed the fallout last year with my Wolfsburg team with Salihamazic, being pissed off i didn't play him enough 'he wasn't great when he played int he first place'. Makes you really think about having to collect a happy squad. what personnel to buy. Gabriel Millito was also annoying, in a challenging way, moaned and got injured constantly! he was never happy, he did well when i played him however.

Players don't moan enough and when they do it doesn't even matter anyway :(

i think PES 2011 and 2012 master league setup had about 80% of what was needed, all i wanted was the ability to change team butt he same setup really from last year.

I think we should all just demand the old master league back.
 
I think the road to satisfaction is to start on 'Professional' and then slowly move up to 'Top Player' after a season. I've done so with Bayern (original line-up), won the Bundesliga by 24 points difference to the second (Schalke), won the Cup and won the Champions League (2-1 vs United)

Granted, it was a bit too easy, especially in the second half of the season with my players pimped to the max, but during CL there were some exciting and tight encounters with Arsenal and PSG which belong to my personal all-time PES-highlights. It's also important to use the boot and merchandise stuff – whether you like it or not – since it gives players a small but vital stat boost that can make the difference. I've pumped Ribery up to 97, Robben to 98 and Mandjukic to 94 and they are all unstoppable now.

Also, for me, I discovered that the Broadcast cam on -1 speed delivers the best experience in terms of pace and control. It requires some getting used to, especially when you are entering the zones where the camera jumps to close-up and the direction mapping changes, but I wouldn't want to go back to any other setting. In wide cam I used to charge all the time at the AI and abuse the sprint button, now I am playing much more moderately and considered.

After the first season I've collected 300 million Euro (Schweinsteiger went to Real for 74 Million, rejected selling Neuer for 50 Million to ManCity) and I can go on a shopping spree now that will give me a fairly competitive team for 'Top Player'. Played two pre-season matches on TP so far and won both, but it won't be a walk in the park like the first season. I'll leave Superstar to the hardcore or the masochists for now. I don't think it has anything to do with football anymore on that level, but all about you battling game mechanics that are designed to make things difficult. I want my games to keep some element of fun, though.

Yes, there are some annoyances still. People mentioned the low scorelines. I've scored 78 goals in the season (excluding Cup and CL), an average of above 2 per match, but every other team only seem to have scored 1 if at all. It's certainly a bug. I also hate, how Konami still love to pimp the backbenchers. I can easily win 5-0 against Dortmund, but I am struggling against Greuther Fürth, a team of never heard of players who all suddenly know how to dribble like Messi or outpace you like C. Ronaldo.

Lastly, in vital matches and when behind, the COM teams usually resist on playing 'all or nothing' but stick to their tactical routines like robots. In the CL final I was up 2-1 against United by the 70th minute and for the last minutes I managed to fairly easily pass the ball around in my own half with Uniteds forwards hanging back a bit too respectfully. But maybe that was because I played on 'Pro'.

Besides these issues, which we'll always have with Konami, it's a lovely game. Looking forward to my next season.
 
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It was not good. The idea was good, but the execution wasnt.
A player would NEVER moan if he was being replaced by another with a higher overall rating, even if he is world class and stayed in the bench for 1 entire season. Also, he would complain if he was left out for 1 single game, even after playing 20 consecutives before.
 
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It was not good. The idea was good, but the execution wasnt.
A player would NEVER moan if he was being replaced by another with a higher overall rating, even if he is world class and stayed in the bench for 1 entire season. Also, he would complain if he was left out for 1 single game, even after playing 20 consecutives before.
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Totally Agree, having a 16yr old youth player who has never played demand the no 10 shirt was ridiculous, as was my captain who played 44 out of 46 games that season whine because he was left out for a match when he was purple arrowed and fatigued after an international game the day before a cup semi final.
Last years 'player talks' were not good, in any way shape or form.
 
I just played a league cup match in my second year as Schalke. Of my 28 man squad, 16 were on purple arrows, 6 were on blue, 4 on green, 2 on yellow. All three of my keepers were on purple. Of my pure strikers, only one managed to get to blue. The yellows were recently brought up Youth Team players.

This after winning 3 straight, and being undefeated at home thus far. This against a sub-par Hertha Berlin squad with all yellow and green arrows.

Thank you Konami!

P.S. I was forced to play ultra-defensive, and won 0-1 away.

--good day!
 
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Totally Agree, having a 16yr old youth player who has never played demand the no 10 shirt was ridiculous, as was my captain who played 44 out of 46 games that season whine because he was left out for a match when he was purple arrowed and fatigued after an international game the day before a cup semi final.
Last years 'player talks' were not good, in any way shape or form.
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Daniel Sturridge?

When he was 19/20.

anyway, i see that point, but i liked it anyway. Better than the basic system we have now!
 
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Couple of my latest games. Starting to click with Newcastle, actually thoroughly enjoy playing with them!

YouTube - [TTB] PES 2013 Barcelona Vs Real Madrid - Playthrough Commentary - Match Day 9 - Cracking Edition!

YouTube - [TTB] PES 2013 Lyon Vs Newcastle Utd - Playthrough Commentary, Europa Game 5. Brink of Qualifying!
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That Newcastle series is the best on youtube.

If only you updated their home kit :( it would be perfect :LOL: what do yo use to record your games on PC?
 
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hehe. that's very impressive.

Anyway, I've started with my Rodos team (Memory serves me right I've over-written the Greek team that were already there but kept a lot of their squad). Have devised a new league, I got a option file and kits online so got german teams and added some others myself. However I elected to do a Portugese and Greek mixed league. So divison 2 is a mix as is the top division.

Playing on top player, I've started with the lineup for that team, although I have put in some players myself, so we're quite good to start off with.

Mind you it's started off rather too easily, I started off with something like 10 or 11 straight wins in the league, however a draw in my last game. Into the 3rd round of the cup and play Braga, that will be my toughest test and an indicator on how well I'm doing against Top Player teams.

Squad is quite good, obviously with my edited players and signed a freebie (I'm sure he was free, or a very low fee), Austrian striker Hoffer who has been brilliant. Very fast and has a very powerful shot.


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Thanks for the encouragement Klashman. I gave it another go tonight and after another two defeats both 2-1 both to last minute goals, I nearly gave up, but like number nine buses turning up, I won both my next two matches 3-1 & 3-0. I do not feel I had played any differently than most of my defeats. Have been picking all the players in form all season dropping all the purple arrowed players I could.
On a side note I have had some success with the short corners(hate them in real life) scored four now from them over the season so far.
 
Ok mate> :)

i played one game with Lyon master league just now, not playing many because this video card is shit and crashes randomly at times.

I won the game 3-2, the defences on professional are quite shit to be honest, which could be why you had a hard time. Shit fro both teams. I scored a beautiful hat trick with Grenier, he's like a poor mans zidane! Seems overrated but i has happy with the game, i defended really badly to conceded the two goals, 80% my fault, 20% the defences on this level are bad.

I think you actually do better on top player when they are more aggressive and solid to a realistic standard.

I using the tactics i gave to represent how they play in real life, an obsession with attacking don't he wings quickly, counter attacking while looking to control games vs inferior teams. Might upload this tactic this week, and Toulouse who i beat had a custom tactic also however.
 
Re: teamwork stat

So I had sent a young striker on mid-season loan. He left with a 58 teamwork stat and when he returned at the end of the season he had a 30 teamwork stat. His stat is increasing faster than all other players. Now that the new season is approaching I think he should make it to 38-39, but certainly he won't be able to play until after the winter break. So, I guess, careful, careful. Send them out on loan, they develop but returned with attitude, loss of loyalty.

Another example: all is not lost with teamwork. Instead, it is just one more, very important issue to consider when making a deal. I recently picked up a CMF named Gentner who left a second division German side with a teamwork stat of 82 and joined my squad with a solid 68. Already in the first team. I guess anyone you try to sign with an initial teamwork stat below 70 (which would become 40s or 50s after joining your team) would be unplayable for a year or so.

So, a solid 68 rated player with initial teamwork stat of 80 or above average 78 rated player with initial teamwork stat of 60? Easy choice, I guess...

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Alright. It's time to kick it up a notch for me, up to top player or superstar. Starting of the season, i've won 4 back to back games and now are second place behind manchester united. Granted the only team i faced which was far superior to leeds united was liverpool; though i conceded the first goal, i found it too easy to come back and win the game.

So guys, which is better? Top Player or Superstar? I've had terrible moments with the scripting in PES 2012, and i hardly experienced it in this year's game, though i'm already expecting the scripting to appear in higher difficulties.

Oh yeah, I am using pes 2013 vanila. Not bothered to update my pesedit patch and konami's patch. I can't really tell much of a difference between PC vanila and PS3 1.01 though, besides smoother animations, no blur, and better turfs.
 
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Boro finished their first season in the Championship in 6th place, after a very strong final 3rd of the season. Emnes finished Top Scorer, but it was Ledesma that was awarded the Player of the Season award. We bought another few utility style midfielders including Yacob.

Newcastle, Reading and Wigan were relegated, so it's going to be tough to outmuscle those teams this season, but the plus side for me is that they will bring their fans down to Division 2 with them. So at least we get some chants this season.

We have yet to kick-off the new season, as I really want to play solely in Co-op with my son, and he was at his mothers last night. Instead, I ventured online and played some old PEEL players. I had a blast, and earned an Energy Drink, some more Banannas, and some Multi-Vitamins. I will use these to reduce Fatigue in my offline ML. People go on about how silly this is, I actually like being rewarded for playing online like this. A daft bit of fun with benefits.

Really looking forward to the new campaign, with a good F.A.Cup run being priority in the hope we can grab a UEFA spot out of it. Oh, and promotion of course.



Great hat-trick by Costa that LT, lovely 1-2 for the first, classic early cross and volley for the 2nd, and the R2 to claim the match-ball at the end was sublime. :)
 
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Got mixed feelings about master league this season.

I started off with no bar assists on superstar level in Liga Adelente with Cordoba.

I didnt score a goal in my first 11 matches. I managed to get into the second round of the Copa Del Ray winning on penalties but I was drawn against Real Madrid. Despite dominating possession (realistic eh) I lost 4-0 on aggregate.

I scored my first goal against Villareal. Practically from the halfway line. I'll try upload it later.

Anyway u ended up losing 3-1 with some ridiculous scripting. Firstly a shot straight at the keeper with no power which went in somehow and then I gave away a penalty after Rossi ran straight through two of my defenders. He literally clipped right through them. I brought him down with the 3rd player and therwf gave a penalty. I guesses right and I should have saved the penalty. When I watched the reply, the ball went between the keepers hand and his head, even though there wasn't enough room for it to do so. It basically clipped through his head and his hand.

This was in the 89th minute. 90th minute, another spammed through ball left Rossi 1vs1. I save the shot but the rebound falls straight back to him for a tap in.

Since then, I've knocked down to professional and I'm having a bit more success. Won a couple of games but still 5 points from safety at the bottom of division two. Still a very addictive if infuriating game.
 
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