Oops, Butterfingers Buffon Spills the Ball Again

MatTheCat2

MatTheCat2

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This is a question for any of you who have the FULL original version of PES 2008 on the PC.

Tell me....are the goalies as bad as they were on the demo and/or the bootleg copy that loadsa people have been playing?

Watching Buffon spill lame shot after lame shot, sometimes into his own net is greatly depressing and ruining the game for me. I dont even like it wehn I score from the keeper throwing the ball into his own net.

Seabasshole always makes sure there are some really aggravating flaws in ProEv but this keeper spill thing is damn unforgiveable.

Nae, its farcical.

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I'm playing the full game on 360 - same engine - and it's the same mate. Goalkeepers couldn't keep hold of a baby without spilling it onto the floor.
 
well the goalkeepers are weak there are too much stupid goals, but it isnt a problem of poor programing, is a problem of tweaking,

like seabass said:

"if keepers are too good, game would become too difficult"

if they want, they could make super keepers, that you will never beat, but
i believe they trespassed the line of "razonable difficult keepers" to the side "stupid easy keepers", because im winning almost every match i play with some goals that are making me cry.
 
Cheers for that guys....

Right, Screw Seabasshole......I aint funding that slanty twanny to sit and include utterly inane features in games I am expected to buy.

All it would take is a wee test run and someone to stand up and say, "see how the keeper couldnt catch a cold or hold a baby? That aint so good, change it please"

If they cant even get that right then they can get right to f**k.
 
All they have to do is make the keepers CATCH the ball more often. It wouldn't make it harder to score.
 
Stardog said:
All they have to do is make the keepers CATCH the ball more often. It wouldn't make it harder to score.
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Well, it would make it harder to score lame assed shots that go straight at the keeper only for the goalie to fumble it over his own line anyways.

All they would need to do is put in an equation whereby if the ball is hit at the keeper below a certain level of power then the keeper will always catch the ball. The max level of power before the keeper may parry/drop/spill/ the ball could be varied depending on the distance the keeper has to move from the point at which he was standing when the ball is struck. Therefore, the more the keeper has to stretch, the less chance he has of catching it (depending on velocity of shot).

But no, instead they thought they would add a little excitement to the game by making the keepers practically drop everything resulting in goals that make you just want to turn the game off.....even when it is you that scores them.

It makes me wonder what sort of yes-man culture they have over there. Surely they have games testers. Surely one of them has got to be gutsy enough to stand up and tell the devs that this shot-dropping is a nonsense and must not be in the final game. I noticed how bad it was within 2-3 games.
 
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what i hate is where they do parry it when the ball is obove there head a real goally would tip it over the bar, i dont think ive seen a goally tip the ball over the bar yet..
 
How blind are you stupid fanboys?! KONAMI has been releasing half assed shit for the last few years and you guys are accepting and making excuses for them. You should never ever have to depend on an editor to make a game playable just to enhance your game!
 
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Chimps-with-quiffs said:
Wait until the PESFan editor is out for 2008.

You will be able to improve all the keepers in the game in about 3 seconds.
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Really?

I would have thought that tinkering with the games AI would take a bit more than a laymans editing program.

Is this sort of AI improvement likley to be implemented into one of the patches that are released for PES 2008 over the coming months?
 
i think the keepers are about right, they are harder than pes6 but arent impossible to beat like fifa08 where you have to be at point blank range to score.
 
MatTheCat2 said:
Really?

I would have thought that tinkering with the games AI would take a bit more than a laymans editing program.

Is this sort of AI improvement likley to be implemented into one of the patches that are released for PES 2008 over the coming months?
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I did it with PES6 and released a lot of option files -

http://forums.evo-web.co.uk/showthread.php?t=36137

Changing the way the game plays is easy, the hard thing is balancing it out, so you dont end up with cricket scores or 0 - 0's all the time.

Keepers can be improved simply by using the editor and adding percentage changes to the goalkeeping stats. The stats of the players largely governs everything about how the game plays.
 
Chimps-with-quiffs said:
I did it with PES6 and released a lot of option files -

http://forums.evo-web.co.uk/showthread.php?t=36137

Changing the way the game plays is easy, the hard thing is balancing it out, so you dont end up with cricket scores or 0 - 0's all the time.

Keepers can be improved simply by using the editor and adding percentage changes to the goalkeeping stats. The stats of the players largely governs everything about how the game plays.
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The stats in the in-game editor are really not much more than crude representations of how a certain player can behave within the AI system. I would like to see someone release an actual patch (as oppossed to option file) where the base goalkeeping AI is subtly tweaked to prevent the horrible keeper spills from occuring quite so freaquently.
 
MatTheCat2 said:
The stats in the in-game editor are really not much more than crude representations of how a certain player can behave within the AI system. I would like to see someone release an actual patch (as oppossed to option file) where the base goalkeeping AI is subtly tweaked to prevent the horrible keeper spills from occuring quite so freaquently.
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Or you could just at 5% to all goalkeepers. It would work exactly the same difference and take about 3 weeks less time, if you want to be subtle add 1% at a time.
 
Chimps-with-quiffs said:
Or you could just at 5% to all goalkeepers. It would work exactly the same difference and take about 3 weeks less time, if you want to be subtle add 1% at a time.
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I don't believe that's entirely true. You can't fix everything through editing stats.
Buffon is one of the best goalies in the game and he still does stupid mistakes. It's an AI problem that needs to be tweaked/patched.
 
i don't call it a problem, its the "bad luck simulation" that konami does, is what makes the game funny to play, but sometimes seems that they lose the the point of this simulation.
 
the keepers r makin lots of bad mistakes n now i can easily score a few goals in a half!
 
i agree with those saying the keepers are shit. i went to training mode and took free kicks at about 24-26 m. I shot to the complete right of the wall DIRECTLY AT THE KEEPER. The ball went in 4 out of 7 times. That is 4 times more than it EVER happened in pes6 or pes5 . Thats bullshit IMO. Try it for yourselves. This is pes '08 PC btw.
 
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