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Alucard said:
Nothing has been confirmed linking us with Diarra its all just rumours right about now, for all we know, SAF is after Robbie Savage. We've been linked with every midfielder under the sun so i wouldnt get my hopes up just yet. As for ruud, do you really think blaming him for drawing with Middlesborough, then dropping him for a 19year old who never started a game in the premiership before was justified? I agree now is probably the right time to sell Ruud, but SAF is going the wrong way about it and considering all he has done for the club he deserves much better treatment.
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Lyon have said that Real & Man U are after him, and SAF has been to watch him.

Who said getting my hopes upes, hes clas & young but like i said Lyon have to be willing to sell.

Like i said if hes ruinig spirit by sulking then he deserves what he gets, hes meant to be professional take a leaf out of Ole's book.
 
People still second guess the Imperial One, he was right to get rid of Beckham/Keano and Stam and its the same with Ruud.

SAF knows what he is doing, Ruud has been pretty poor this year, yeah he scored 20+ goals but his overall play hasnt been great...

before we had Ruud our goals we're evenly spread thru the team, and that was when we won the majority of our trophies, so im not worried.
 
Vannizzlefashizzal said:
People still second guess the Imperial One, he was right to get rid of Beckham/Keano and Stam and its the same with Ruud.

SAF knows what he is doing, Ruud has been pretty poor this year, yeah he scored 20+ goals but his overall play hasnt been great...

before we had Ruud our goals we're evenly spread thru the team, and that was when we won the majority of our trophies, so im not worried.
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Neither am i!

Saha should still be sold as his build up play is poor imo.

What strike should we buy? Whos available?
 
Dead Man said:
Lyon have said that Real & Man U are after him, and SAF has been to watch him.

Who said getting my hopes upes, hes clas & young but like i said Lyon have to be willing to sell.

Like i said if hes ruinig spirit by sulking then he deserves what he gets, hes meant to be professional take a leaf out of Ole's book.
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Ruud is a different class to Solsjear. We intially bought Solskjear as a utility player. Ruud was bought to play in the first team and reason why we spent 19million on the guy compared to 1.5million or however much it was to buy Solskjear. Only this seaon out of the 4 years he has been at the club has he been relegated to the bench for such a period. He hasnt even done much wrong, in the games he has played in. So i dont blame him for sulking or feeling hard done by. We'll probably get some noname striker thaty noone has ever heard to replace him only to flop next season.
 
Alucard said:
Ruud is a different class to Solsjear. We intially bought Solskjear as a utility player. Ruud was bought to play in the first team and reason why we spent 19million on the guy compared to 1.5million or however much it was to buy Solskjear. Only this seaon out of the 4 years he has been at the club has he been relegated to the bench for such a period. He hasnt even done much wrong, in the games he has played in. So i dont blame him for sulking or feeling hard done by. We'll probably get some noname striker thaty noone has ever heard to replace him only to flop next season.
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RVN biggest fan!

He needs to grow up, he will be gone time to move on

Its a team game, you play the form guys not on reputation
 
Vannizzlefashizzal said:
People still second guess the Imperial One, he was right to get rid of Beckham/Keano and Stam and its the same with Ruud.

SAF knows what he is doing, Ruud has been pretty poor this year, yeah he scored 20+ goals but his overall play hasnt been great...

before we had Ruud our goals we're evenly spread thru the team, and that was when we won the majority of our trophies, so im not worried.
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Well yes this socalled 'Imperial One' should be questioned like every other goddamn manger at a club. If he was at some other club SAF would be sacked about now, and David Gill even said that. Cuz what we have achieved over the last few years isnt good enough. Dont get me wrong im not saying we should sack him now but he should be questioned, cuz some of his decisions has backfired. Keane i cant argue with, he was getting old and tired, but Beckham and Stam, how on earth til this day can YOU tell me their sales were justified? How much wrong were they doing? their commitment on the pitch could never be questioned and they were at their peak. If we still can keep scholes and giggs, then there was no reason to why we couldnt keep stam and Beckham.
 
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I would agree, accept that we dont' know what he's been like behind closed doors. I always thought fergie worshipped the ground he walked on, I mean Ruud was definitely one of fergie's best signings, he even made him captain earlier this season. I hope that there was some justification for Fergie treating Ruud the way he has, if not, well I can't blame him for leaving at all.
 
Don Domenico said:
Were Stam, Beckham and Keane adequatly replaced?
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Was Pele ever replaced? No. But do Brazil NEED him? Again, no.

I'm really not too bothered if Ruud leaves. The main reason being his attitude. Players like that dont belong here. And secondly, if we ever sell him, its better to do it now so we get maximum cash from the transfer, which we could use towards another striker. As much as we hate Saha, atleast he's getting the goals. And Rooney and Smith will be back after the World Cup. PLUS we have Rossi to look forward to as well. The longer we kept all those strikers, the harder it would have been for Rossi to develop.

Lets look at it this another way. If we had sold Saha instead, the arrival of the new striker (Saha's replacement) would have threatened Ruud's starting place (if he wasnt going to, SAF wouldnt buy him in the first place) which would have resulted in him acting the way he is right now anyway. And by then, his value would have dropped.

Atleast with Saha, we get someone who is also scoring consistantly, is willing to sit on the bench and also wouldnt have as much of a problem as Ruud would if we got another striker. And for Saha's lack of skill compared to Ruud, we have Rooney, Rossi, Solskjaer and Smith to make up for it for the time being whilst we wait for a new striker.
 
Dead Man said:
Neither am i!

Saha should still be sold as his build up play is poor imo.

What strike should we buy? Whos available?
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saha sold??

dont think so fella, his link up play with Rooney/Ronaldo is first class, alot better than Ruud, dont get me wrong he's not the finisher that ruud is/was but as part of the 4 strikers his 15-20 goals a season will be vital.

as for buying stikers, well we need to see if Smudge makes a full recovery, we've got Rossi and Campbell to make the step up to first team so we might not need to buy...

if we did though, swapping Ruud for the lad at PSV might be an option, or a swap with Ath Madrid for Torres (plus cash) or as I posted a while back, if Van Basten gets the Milan job a swap for Sheva.

Bascially as Ruud is under contract and still a good age we're in good position for either a money return or a good swap.
 
Vannizzlefashizzal said:
saha sold??

if we did though, swapping Ruud for the lad at PSV might be an option, or a swap with Ath Madrid for Torres (plus cash) or as I posted a while back, if Van Basten gets the Milan job a swap for Sheva.
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Who at PSV???

If you mean Kuyt(sp?) hes at Feyenoord!

Would like Torres tho, Your right Sahas goals have been invaluable this season.
 
I think the PSV guy is a young player, name reminded me of hunter, apparently a hot prospect. I'd be up for that and some cash. But...then we're again a team in transition, whereas next season I want us to be more or less settled.

Sorry, as I missed it I'm still curious, Rossi look the real deal yeseterday? And how was scholsey?
 
Where to start with Beckham/Stam..

Beckham had been at the club too long and needed to move on, the rest of the players and staff had gotten tired of the media circus that followed him.

Plus he hasnt exactly pulled any trees up at Madrid and has won nothing.

Stam was waayyy too slow for The Prem, yes he won the CL with Milan but was also part of the defense that capitulated in the final V lfc pus Milan havent been near to winning Serie A since Stam joined.
 
beachryan said:
I think the PSV guy is a young player, name reminded me of hunter, apparently a hot prospect. I'd be up for that and some cash. But...then we're again a team in transition, whereas next season I want us to be more or less settled.

Sorry, as I missed it I'm still curious, Rossi look the real deal yeseterday? And how was scholsey?
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Huntelaar plays for Ajax!
 
Vannizzlefashizzal said:
Where to start with Beckham/Stam..

Beckham had been at the club too long and needed to move on, the rest of the players and staff had gotten tired of the media circus that followed him.

Plus he hasnt exactly pulled any trees up at Madrid and has won nothing.

Stam was waayyy too slow for The Prem, yes he won the CL with Milan but was also part of the defense that capitulated in the final V lfc pus Milan havent been near to winning Serie A since Stam joined.
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That may be true about Beckham's media circus, but even that wasnt affecting his performances on the pitch. As for his long time at the club, like i said if giggs and scholes are good enough to still be at the club, then i dont see why Beckham couldnt have stayed.

Stam i agree was a little off pace at times, but he was by himself most of the time, he didnt have a world class centre back beside him. It was a inexperienced young Wes Brown and we all know a defense cant stand up on its own with only one world class player. Stam abilitles to man mark and keep his disipline at the back was second to none. Plus players were always frightened to go up against him as he was strong and determinded. We diddnt need to sell him, all we needed was another world class CB with pace to go alongside. Thats why i said if we were smart, we would have kept Stam and bought Rio. As for Stams failure to win the Seria A title, i wouldnt blame it all one player. The whole the defense was to blame, it dont mean Maldini,Cafu and Nesta are bad players just cuz the whole team crumbled in the CL final and didnt win the league last year.
 
Alucard said:
SAF hbas proven he is not good at finding replacements. After Stam left we went through Lauren Blanc, then he flopped and we signed Rio, and til this day he is doing most of the defense work by himself. If United were smart we would have kept Stam and bought Rio. After Beckham left we tried signing Ronalinho but that flopped, so we settled for Kleberson and he another mistake. Now its Ronaldo but he is no beckham. With keane, we tried replacing him with Miller, Djemba djemba, Fletcher and now John O'Shea. Its proven pretty much a circus and one of the reasons why we have underachieved in the last few years. These players like,Keane,Stam,Beckham and RVN are not easilty replaceble but you can find quality players to make up their places. But SAF cant seem to find quality players no more who can play at the standard United require.
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Exactly.


RuneEdge said:
Was Pele ever replaced? No. But do Brazil NEED him? Again, no.
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Yes, but here comes the main difference; Was Brazil still as good after Pele? Yes. Was Man utd still as good after their respective departures? NO.

Vannizzlefashizzal said:
Where to start with Beckham/Stam..

Stam was waayyy too slow for The Prem, yes he won the CL with Milan but was also part of the defense that capitulated in the final V lfc pus Milan havent been near to winning Serie A since Stam joined.
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Stam hasn't won the CL with Milan, but has been near to winning serie A this season and the last season.
 
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Don Domenico said:
Exactly.




Yes, but here comes the main difference; Was Brazil still as good after Pele? Yes. Was Man utd still as good after their respective departures? NO.



Stam hasn't won the CL with Milan, but has been near to winning serie A this season and the last season.
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in that case then fergie was justified, neither player has won anything sonce leaving OT.

Since stam left won we won the league and been to 4 cup finals (winning two)

we've won two cups since beckham left, two more than he's won at madrid.
 
That isn't a justification at all, that doesn't prove anything.. at all!

What did you win with Stam in the team? What did you win with Beckham in the team?
 
How can you compare Stam and Beckham playing in a different league in various different positions to how they played at United? They were class for us and part of a winning team and most of all they were performing for us at the time.
Ive got to agree with Alucard on Ruuds situation. His attitude has been brought on by Fergies decision to drop him for no apparent reason. If he had been performing poorly then it would have been justified and Ruud maybe would have accepted it.
 
Boss Talks Transfers!

Club Look To Make Progress On Transfers

Sir Alex Ferguson says the club are working hard on their ideas for possible transfer targets this summer.

The transfer window re-opens on 1 July, but the Reds could sign a pre-agreement on summer transfers before that date, as has happened with David Bellion's permanent move to French club Nice.

United's summer signings are sure to include at least one midfielder. Now that the 2005/06 season is over, the Reds are likely to step up their attempts to bolster the squad for the new campaign.

"It's always good if you can add to your squad and we're trying to make some progress with the ideas we have," revealed Sir Alex.

"It's an important issue but it's not the key one because I think we have a good squad.

"Player availability can make things difficult," he added. "If I don't want to let my good players go, then why should other clubs?

"Nevertheless, anything's possible and we're working hard on some ideas."

Chief executive David Gill stated earlier this year that funds would be made available for Sir Alex and also revealed that there will be "one or two very big signings in the summer."

Report by Gemma Thompson.

Source : http://www.manutd.com/news/fullstory.sps?iNewsid=327860&itype=466&icategoryid=120
 
Don Domenico said:
That isn't a justification at all, that doesn't prove anything.. at all!

What did you win with Stam in the team? What did you win with Beckham in the team?
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Of course that proves something. The fact that the didnt achieve much after their departure proves they are past their peak and probably would have played just as badly at Man Utd. Meaning them staying would have been a waste and selling them at their peak gave us the most amount of money we could have made off them. You're just assuming that those players would have kept up to their great standards but watching them play now tells another story.
 
knh4 said:
How can you compare Stam and Beckham playing in a different league in various different positions to how they played at United? They were class for us and part of a winning team and most of all they were performing for us at the time.
Ive got to agree with Alucard on Ruuds situation. His attitude has been brought on by Fergies decision to drop him for no apparent reason. If he had been performing poorly then it would have been justified and Ruud maybe would have accepted it.
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yeah they we're class for us but if the gaffer can see that they are slipping and knows he can get good money and possibly superior replacements then I dont see the problem...

We we're always gonna have to give up the number 1 spot, regardless of them staying or leaving.

As for Ruud, his attitude stinks, the manager can see who is worthy of a place cos he works with them all week, Ruud was getting picked even when he wasnt playing well, so when sahas form improved fergie had every right to drop Ruud, and how Ruud responded disapointed Fergie and spelt the beginning of the end. Remember no one knew who he was when he joined but he leaves as one of the very best in the world.

So yes he was a great player for us and we'll never forget him but as with all our greats they get moved on and another will take their place.
 
RuneEdge said:
Of course that proves something. The fact that the didnt achieve much after their departure proves they are past their peak and probably would have played just as badly at Man Utd. Meaning them staying would have been a waste and selling them at their peak gave us the most amount of money we could have made off them. You're just assuming that those players would have kept up to their great standards but watching them play now tells another story.
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No cuz so many things come into play when you move to new club. Beckham is still one of Real's best players, the only reason he still isnt getting the attention and praise he use to get is cuz Real madrid havnt been successful. As for for Stam he must of been doing something right cuz while his time at Lazio, Milan came in for him and still he has proved a quality player for Milan otherwise im sure he wouldnt be in the starting line up.

Why cant you guys admit SAF makes mistakes, im not saying its not right to sell your best players, but his timing and manner in which he does offload these players leaves much to be desired.
 
I think Beckham was a great signing for Real Madrid. He has consistently been one of our best players during these last years, and week after week we are delighted to see his commitment to the team, his world-class passing and shooting, his strong work in the midfield... I'd say Beckham is as of now impossible to replace at Real Madrid. So I just can't say that United did well selling him. Beckham won the Spanish Super Cup for Real Madrid - even scoring - when just arrived.

When Becks was signed I thought that he was just s shirt-selling player, a cutey with no guts. How wrong was I. He's a world-class player. United got big money and got rid of a problem between SAF and DB selling him. Maybe this is the case now with RVN. He's a bit old, has done very well at United, and now they can find another striker to replace him. Will it be as good? Certainly not next year, but he might grow to a higher level in the future, whoever he is. Just take a peek at Fabregas, Reyes, Senderos, C. Ronaldo or Rooney.

Manchester United decided long ago that young promising players were the only way to go if you want to keep away from this money frenzy that football has become. Barça did too a couple of years ago, and built a great team around players such as Eto'o, Xavi, Ronaldinho, Puyol, Iniesta... Real Madrid are signing youngsters from some time on (Robinho, Cicinho, S. Ramos). I still think that Ole and Wayne can cope with the striker's places at United, their biggest need is a short-term Roy Keane replacement, and a long-term Scholesy replacement.

Plus, a proper right-back defender, Gary is growing old... :)
 
i have a theory about Stam. if you remember, he was positively drug tested not long after going to Italy. So was Davids. Something to do with drinks in the Holland squad. I think Fergie knew something about it and got rid quickly.
 
Vannizzlefashizzal said:
he's been offered to madrid but they arent 100% due to concerns about fitness..
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Cool they will give us decent money probably £12m+
 
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