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Great news about heinze losing his appeal for a move to liverpoor
with his contract set to expire in 2 years and his complete disrespect to the united fans to move to our rivals hes deserves to be shown the exit door to anyone outside england and whos willing to meet the asking price and with no compensastion
because he asked for the transfer.and and we can use the money to buy a main striker who can hold up the ball back to goal and who can finish.i would of liked to see klose at united but thats to late i was thinkin someone experinced late 20s and strong and fast.if saha was playin against micah richards on sunday he wouldnt have been so dominant like he was with tevez.

benni macarthy...martins...anelka...and in fantasy football berbatov but i think he having an operation. :8):
 
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Martins is nothing like Rooney. Martins is a real forward and a really dangerous one when given service.
 
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Vannizzlefashizzal said:
what?

How is femi a stupid buy??

We dont need a threat in the air, united dont play long ball...

Femi would do well @ United..
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Femi would be a stupid buy for the same reason Anelka would be a stupid buy.

Because having a threat in the air has nothing to do with playing long ball football and everything to do with variety and options.

If you cross a ball from the wing with either giggs, Nani, Ronaldo etc and that ball is in the air then you need a striker who can put it in the back of the net- nowt to do with a long ball.

Also you need the variety of being able to play it in long or from the wings on the deck or the air- again variety and the threat of what you can do with the ball.

Also it is not about the long ball or the short ball, but the right ball. Sometimes that is the long ball and when it is you are screwed as in all the above situations if the player you have is either Martins or Anelka.

Last but not least Martins is the poorer choice of the two because he is not a finisher but a flair player who can score. You have flair all over the shop- you need a finisher.

Viduka would have been great for you lads, so too would a low profile player like Healy..Andy Cole on a pay as you play wouldn't be bad.

Finisher- someone to get on the end on things and put the ball in the net, someone who can head a ball (doesn't have to be big Healy or A Cole are better in the air than Anelka or Yakubu), someone who attacks the space behind a back four, someone who finds space in the box, has the knack of drifting onto the back post for tap ins etc
 
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I agree with you Rune. We're missing an all out striker.
I'd be happy if we borrowed Larsson again.
 
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vanzandt said:
Femi would be a stupid buy for the same reason Anelka would be a stupid buy.

Because having a threat in the air has nothing to do with playing long ball football and everything to do with variety and options.

If you cross a ball from the wing with either giggs, Nani, Ronaldo etc and that ball is in the air then you need a striker who can put it in the back of the net- nowt to do with a long ball.

Also you need the variety of being able to play it in long or from the wings on the deck or the air- again variety and the threat of what you can do with the ball.

Also it is not about the long ball or the short ball, but the right ball. Sometimes that is the long ball and when it is you are screwed as in all the above situations if the player you have is either Martins or Anelka.

Last but not least Martins is the poorer choice of the two because he is not a finisher but a flair player who can score. You have flair all over the shop- you need a finisher.

Viduka would have been great for you lads, so too would a low profile player like Healy..Andy Cole on a pay as you play wouldn't be bad.

Finisher- someone to get on the end on things and put the ball in the net, someone who can head a ball (doesn't have to be big Healy or A Cole are better in the air than Anelka or Yakubu), someone who attacks the space behind a back four, someone who finds space in the box, has the knack of drifting onto the back post for tap ins etc
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totally agree mate :cheers: I think Larsson would be a great choice aswell but i think he just moved clubs so i dont see that happening, i look at the market and i dont see anyone really who i think would help us maybe Benni McCarthy i think that would be a good buy

id love to see fergie put in a cheeky bid for shevchenko:lol:
 
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Ret KiT said:
van nistelrooy was perfect for united
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But also one of the biggest reasons why we won the title the moment he left the club...

We need a finisher and a very quick one. Maybe some of you are right about Martins. I'm hoping he becomes a better finisher over time seeing how he has quickness and power on his side. Plus he's very young too.
What we basically need is someone like Etoo. Just a quick finisher. And its probably best if we loan him with the option of a transfer at the end. Once we find that finisher, I dont think we'll need another signing for atleast another 2 years once ALL of our players are back.
 
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I agree with Marko too...I was puzzled on why Sir Alex didnt bid for Miroslav Klose.He would be perfect,one dimensional,out and out striker.

Yakubu is another option.He's big,strong,young and is a decent finisher.Well proven in the Premiership and with our kind of supply he can be the answer.

Nic Anelka is one we should look at.We all know his ability,so does our management team including Sir Alex.One thing that hinders everything is his well known attitude problem.Harmony and cooperation is the key thing at United now.Sir Alex does not want to gamble on Anelka and spoil everything if he comes.Key example to this is the Heinze affair...as Heinze is already 'corrupted',Sir Alex wouldnt want Heinze to be anywhere near Ronaldo and Tevez.

Obefami Martins has prove his status here in the Premiership.Quick,witty,strong and is a good finisher.Although lacking in size,he does not often expose his weakness.He is one smart forward.
 
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We didn't really need a striker, that's why. We didn't have one last year and in the summer he basically got cover for our two most attacking players (Rooney and Ronaldo) and also added another 2 midfielders. If Rooney had not got injured in the first game, I can almost guarantee we'd have nine points now. It was a massive blow as Tevez was not ready yet.
 
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Have you heard those rumors about Heinze joining Real Madrid? Some papers in Spain say it's done... what does the English press say?
 
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Oh for fucks sake, England play a completely pointless, stupidly positioned friendly, and Rio gets injured. When is lady luck gonna give us a break?
 
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phrase said:
I agree with Marko too...I was puzzled on why Sir Alex didnt bid for Miroslav Klose.He would be perfect,one dimensional,out and out striker.
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He would have been perfect, but Munich will not sell him..

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Yakubu is another option.
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Nope we have agreed a fee and are on the verge of buying, plus to be fair his lack of ability in the air is troublesome enough for us at Everton but we have Johnson who despite being a short arse is good in the air and we have the returning Cahill who is great in the air..so he is off the market and wouldn’t suit Man Utd in any case.

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Nic Anelka is one we should look at
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Terrible in the air and terrible attitude, plus he is overpriced and would make and expensive lazy arrogant sub who would flip put and want to leave the club once he was not playing- you shouldn’t go anywhere near him.

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Obefami Martins has prove his status here in the Premiership.Quick,witty,strong and is a good finisher.Although lacking in size,he does not often expose his weakness.He is one smart forward.
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Martins is a goalscorer NOT a finisher- that is not the same thing. He offers no aerial threat and for crosses or long balls and so you still couldn’t mix you game up or benefit from the flanks. Martins is a flair player wh can score via pace by breaking through the offside trap or shooting from distance- but he will not fins space in the box and peel off defenders to score tap in and cute goals….so he is 100% wrong for you.


marukomu said:
We didn't really need a striker, that's why. We didn't have one last year and in the summer he basically got cover for our two most attacking players (Rooney and Ronaldo) and also added another 2 midfielders. If Rooney had not got injured in the first game, I can almost guarantee we'd have nine points now. It was a massive blow as Tevez was not ready yet.
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You could not be any more wrong!!!

First of all you cannot compare yourself to last year. Last Year you had Smith and for half the season Saha and for another part of it Solskjaer.

This year with no Smith, Saha continuing to be constantly injured, with no solskjaer and no Rossi as he was sold on as well you have bee woefully short up front when it comes to out and out forwards. You are completely wrong about Tevez because it has nothing to do with not being ready and everything to do with the fact that playing him as a front man makes you like Arsenal. In other words it makes you one dimentional and needing to virtually having to walk the ball into the net or score the perfect goal.

Tevez will NEVER attack the space in behind a back four and score tap ins, he will never do what is required of a forward. He is a replacement for Rooney or even Giggs or Ronaldo in that he is a flair players that can run at a defence and score goals and set them up fro others.

If you play Tevez up front as opposed to playing him as a split striker then you will find that you have no one attacking the space in behind defences and no one getting on the end of anything you create.

In Brazil and Argentina where Tevez has played the play has always been about passing the ball into feet, it is only in Europe that he has experienced the culture shot of the ball being played in space that you have to run into and onto the ball.

Play Tevez behind a front man and you are fine.

Also worth mentioning is that Rooney also is not a striker either. If you play him there you loose the brilliance of his first touch and playmaking abilites- to put others in on goal and the brilliance of him running at defences. For me although Rooney can play upo front and quite well- that is not his position. He is one of the best split strikers in the world and basically a better version of Tevez.

Having Tevez and Rooney is very good for you in that they are cover for one another in a crucial position and they are also both able to play in inside left or right positions like Giggs or Ronaldo…..but neither is a proper forward and that is one you are missing.

If Rooney had not got injured you might have got away with the start (to be fair part of the bad start has also been bad fortune) but not guaranteed because Rooney’s goalscoring record playing up front is not that great.

A huge key to winning the premiership last year was Sahas form for half the season and then Ronaldo scoring a unreasonably high and presumably welcomed number of goals from the wing.

Saha might not be Van Nistelrooy, but a pacey forward with good movement- but make no mistake he is an out and out striker who attacks space and scores tap ins, headers, near and far post etc as well as goals from distance.

You need a Larson, a Kloser, a Luca Toni, a Viduka, an Owen etc

IMHO….I could be wrong of course, but I don’t think so.
 
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matherto said:
Oh for fucks sake, England play a completely pointless, stupidly positioned friendly, and Rio gets injured. When is lady luck gonna give us a break?
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Mclaren is retarded.

Love the way that Mica Richards was Englands best attacking player in the first half and set the goal up brilliantly down the right. Then Brown comes on and Rio goes off, but Richards goes to centre back and Brown to right back.

Naturally for the rest of the game we had nowt at all going down the right as Richards wasn't there and couldn't go forward from centre.

Brown could have played in the centre and we could have kept Mica out on the right...but Oh NO:roll:

Even when it was 84 min on the clock and we were 2-1 down do we make the swich....nope.
 
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Official: Heinze to join Real Madrdi
http://www.manutd.com/default.sps?pagegid={63600C0C-B276-4CB1-8FB1-3460BE926722}
 
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With Heinze gone, we only have Silvestre and Evra left. We need another "no nonsense, get stuck in" type of player at either left or right back. And we still havent sorted out the striker situation.
Looking back on our transfers, I guess its fair to say we bought players in the wrong positions even though they've been quality signings individually.
 
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vanzandt said:
You could not be any more wrong!!!

First of all you cannot compare yourself to last year. Last Year you had Smith and for half the season Saha and for another part of it Solskjaer.
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Rubbish!
We don't have Rossi now - he didn't play all season but we have Dong and Campbell now - that's an extra striker.
We don't have Smith. He only played a couple of games.
Saha and Solskjaer are still there and could theoretically play more games than they did last year. Saha is in training now.
 
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marukomu said:
Rubbish!
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Are you in dream land?

I will show you, you are!

marukomu said:
We don't have Rossi now - he didn't play all season but we have Dong and Campbell now - that's an extra striker.
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Nope….you had Dong last season and you had Smith and you had Rossi.

So you did have more numbers, but forgetting that…..

Who the fook are Dong and Campbell mate? LMAO

Are you kiddin me?

They are categorically NOT going to be or do what is required.

FACT Rossi was a good goalscorer and to prove it scored tons in the reserves, scored goals for Parma originally and when he was on loan in Italy end of last year. That is why he fetched over 6 million quid when you sold him. Smith also went for 6 mill or something like that.

How much could you get for Dong and Campbell?

I tell you how much fook all!!!!

They are not serious additions or in any way capable of taking the mantle and doing what is required when you have a lack of strikers.

Forgetting that you had Saha at the start of last season and had him until the half way mark last season and he was one of if not your BEST player till half way through the season and scored loads of goals.

You have NOT had Saha this season so that HAS been a big loss!!!

Solsjaer was also available at points last year as in the F.A cup with against Villa.

So far you have not had him available this season and coupled with the a lack of Saha- who was a MAJOR factor in last seasons success and added to the loss of Rooney you have been in DEEP SHIT.

So don’t tell me that you haven’t needed a striker cause it is ridiculous to say that.

marukomu said:
We don't have Smith. He only played a couple of games.
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Actually that is Rubbish not only did Smith spearhead the best Man Utd performance all season against Roma in the Champions League, but he was also well and truly available at the end of last season along with Solskjaer when Saha was out….and that was when you had Rooney and Ronaldo fit…

This time round No Saha, No Rooney, No Smith, No Rossi, No Solsjaer and at themoment no Ronaldo…

More importantly only Saha and Solskjaer are out and out strikers.

marukomu said:
Saha and Solskjaer are still there and could theoretically play more games than they did last year. Saha is in training now.
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So what?

The point was you telling me I was wrong for trashing your comments which were;


marukomu said:
We didn't really need a striker, .
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Total craaaaap. If you had brought in another striker or not let so many decent ones go- you probably wouldn’t be in the poor position you are now and irrespective of what happens and who comes back the fact is a bad start like this could be what you rue in may if you loose the title by 6pts or less.

The reason you won the league last year was in part due to how well you started and maintained your league position up to Christmas.

marukomu said:
We didn't have one last year and in the summer he basically got cover for our two most attacking players (Rooney and Ronaldo) and also added another 2 midfielders. If Rooney had not got injured in the first game, I can almost guarantee we'd have nine points now. It was a massive blow as Tevez was not ready yet.
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Again your talking craaap.

You can’t guarantee anything and the FACT is, it absolutely was a mistake to leave the front line so lightweight. By not having enough cover you leave yourself open to exactly this kind of problem….same went for Chelsea last year when they didn’t have adequate cover at centre back. Tevez is NOT the answer as a forward. He is cover for a split striker or inside left or right.


At the moment it doesn’t sound like you understand football very much at all.
 
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You should check your grammar mate. I said didn't need a striker, meaning last season, not this one. You say we had Smith and Solskjaer but even when they were playing they were not fully fit. FACT, we played most of last season without a fully fit striker.
Ferguson felt he had enough with what we had last season (or most of it) so he bought cover for our most effective players and at the same time was expecting our injured strikers to be fit again.

I also didn't say guarantee, I said almost guarantee.

The point about Rossi is maybe a fair one but Campbell and Dong have scored loads of goals for reserves too. If Rossi was so good he wouldn't have been sold and would have played a lot more games. Richardson also went for 6 mil so what does that say?

Please just argue and don't resort to personal insults.
 
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Lets see how well he plays first and whether he even makes it through the 90 minutes alive.
 
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I bet he will injure himself during the pre-game warm up and will be out again for about 3 months.Classic Saha.
 
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marukomu said:
You should check your grammar mate. I said didn't need a striker, meaning last season, not this one.
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Either way you are dead wrong. If it wasn’t for Saha in the first half of the season Man Utd would not have won the title. The fact is you were over-reliant on Rooney in the second half of last season, particularly Ronaldo. The fact is you were skating on thin ice then and that ice got a whole lot thinner when you sold Rossi and Smith. You needed a striker last year and that has become even more apparent this season.

marukomu said:
You say we had Smith and Solskjaer but even when they were playing they were not fully fit. FACT, we played most of last season without a fully fit striker.
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Saha anyone?

Err like half the season?

I don’t need to say much more on that one.

marukomu said:
Ferguson felt he had enough with what we had last season (or most of it) so he bought cover for our most effective players and at the same time was expecting our injured strikers to be fit again.
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Yes and it has proved to be a mistake, hence your start to the season. Ferguson is a great man and a brilliant manager but you are using his name to somehow prove your point but;

Even the best managers make mistakes and you are telling yourself that you are right and that Ferguson was right despite where you are and the mess you’re in.

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I also didn't say guarantee, I said almost guarantee.
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Do not try and wriggle out of what you said with semantics and yet criticize me of mistaking your grammar. Yes you can try and add the word almost, so that if anyone questions what you have to say it is like a get out of jail free card. Sorry to say it doesn’t wash with me. When you use a word as strong as guarantee, the word almost that you attach to it is of no consequence. You were basically pushing very strongly your opinion and I am questioning that opinion- and rightly so.

marukomu said:
The point about Rossi is maybe a fair one but Campbell and Dong have scored loads of goals for reserves too. If Rossi was so good he wouldn't have been sold and would have played a lot more games. Richardson also went for 6 mil so what does that say?
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Again semantics. The crucial words you use are maybe in reference to Rossi. My point isn’t maybe a fair one, it is a stone cold 100% correct one. As for the logic of you use after that;

“If Rossi was so good why was he sold”. Again you are just trying to align your opinion in some way to that of Ferguson and by so doing show my opinion to be flawed.

The fact of the matter is Rossi was a 6 million pound plus striker and you sold him and Smith and you now have a crisis that relates to a lack of strikers. Please do not try and keep up this charade that Man Utd did the right thing in letting them go and not getting adequate replacements. Please stop trying this truly poor argument of trying to align yourself with Ferguson despite the fact that on this issue Ferguson has got it wrong.

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Please just argue and don't resort to personal insults.
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I have not been personal. I have stated my honest opinion and the only thing I have said is it doesn’t seem like you understand football. I said that because I have spoken as I have found, I have not said anything personal to you.

Please though cut the semantics because they will not wash with me. I could wrap you in semantics if I wanted to as I am very skilled in using them myself.

Here is an example of what I could say if you criticized a point I was making;

I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you read, is not what I meant.

So please, don’t try and judiciously sprinkle in absurd logic or try Houdini like tricks to escape what it is you have said/meant.


Man Utd DID need a striker last year and they DO need a striker this year. It HAS been a mistake to let the players go and not get replacements. That IS my argument and it IS my contention that you are WRONG in your position.

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we dont need a striker end of. saha back for sunday. http://www.thesun.co.uk/article/0,,2002390000-2007380813,00.html
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And what if he gets injured again?

It is understandable for my club Everton to be in a tough position without enough cover. You should not be in that position. In your best ever season you had four strikers who you could rotate- Sheringham (who could also play as a split striker) Cole, Yorke and Solskjaer.

You should be looking to have that strength all the time.
 
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vanzandt said:
Either way you are dead wrong. If it wasn’t for Saha in the first half of the season Man Utd would not have won the title. The fact is you were over-reliant on Rooney in the second half of last season, particularly Ronaldo. The fact is you were skating on thin ice then and that ice got a whole lot thinner when you sold Rossi and Smith. You needed a striker last year and that has become even more apparent this season.



Saha anyone?

Err like half the season?

I don’t need to say much more on that one.



Yes and it has proved to be a mistake, hence your start to the season. Ferguson is a great man and a brilliant manager but you are using his name to somehow prove your point but;

Even the best managers make mistakes and you are telling yourself that you are right and that Ferguson was right despite where you are and the mess you’re in.



Do not try and wriggle out of what you said with semantics and yet criticize me of mistaking your grammar. Yes you can try and add the word almost, so that if anyone questions what you have to say it is like a get out of jail free card. Sorry to say it doesn’t wash with me. When you use a word as strong as guarantee, the word almost that you attach to it is of no consequence. You were basically pushing very strongly your opinion and I am questioning that opinion- and rightly so.



Again semantics. The crucial words you use are maybe in reference to Rossi. My point isn’t maybe a fair one, it is a stone cold 100% correct one. As for the logic of you use after that;

“If Rossi was so good why was he sold”. Again you are just trying to align your opinion in some way to that of Ferguson and by so doing show my opinion to be flawed.

The fact of the matter is Rossi was a 6 million pound plus striker and you sold him and Smith and you now have a crisis that relates to a lack of strikers. Please do not try and keep up this charade that Man Utd did the right thing in letting them go and not getting adequate replacements. Please stop trying this truly poor argument of trying to align yourself with Ferguson despite the fact that on this issue Ferguson has got it wrong.



I have not been personal. I have stated my honest opinion and the only thing I have said is it doesn’t seem like you understand football. I said that because I have spoken as I have found, I have not said anything personal to you.

Please though cut the semantics because they will not wash with me. I could wrap you in semantics if I wanted to as I am very skilled in using them myself.

Here is an example of what I could say if you criticized a point I was making;

I know you believe you understand what you think I said, but I am not sure you realize that what you read, is not what I meant.

So please, don’t try and judiciously sprinkle in absurd logic or try Houdini like tricks to escape what it is you have said/meant.


Man Utd DID need a striker last year and they DO need a striker this year. It HAS been a mistake to let the players go and not get replacements. That IS my argument and it IS my contention that you are WRONG in your position.



And what if he gets injured again?

It is understandable for my club Everton to be in a tough position without enough cover. You should not be in that position. In your best ever season you had four strikers who you could rotate- Sheringham (who could also play as a split striker) Cole, Yorke and Solskjaer.

You should be looking to have that strength all the time.
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well you can ask for a striker as much as you want it aint happening we got anderson who can play thier while saha will play thier i just dont see us buying anyone
 
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