Manchester United Thread

Wtf is going on with this team??? Great start and then that last game in Europa L. About the video one post back. That's pretty much the mentality of most fans these days.
 
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It`s not a good start ,but too early to tell. Everyone is entitle to a blip or 2 during the season. I`m not a fan of Mou ,but then again ,I`m not a fan of Wenger. Stokes/WHU are in a worse situation and they both have time to turn it around.
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Hendo-Xhaka-Progba are in my fantasy football too! was hoping Progba pulled a spectacular -_-
 
Mourinho has been a mediocre coach for the last 5-6 years, the only thing he has done well is putting pressure on the media, the refs and the players. He used to be good at making already built teams perform better for a season or two, but he has never been a builder. He doesn't have the skills to create something from scratch, he doesn't have any personal style of play that defines his teams other than a lot of intensity.

In my oppinion, United totally screwed it signing him. They should have gone for Guardiola or Klopp, who have a genuine vision of football and have the skills to create a dinasty.

Each time I see a midfield consisting on Fellaini and Pogba my eyes bleed. Only a foul would think it would work. But worse than that, most of the signings of the summer are totally incompatible between them. Rashford and Martial are quick players, but don't associate that well and are a bit limited in small spaces. They are both very young and can evolve into great players. But Ibra is totally the opposite. Then you put Pogba who is totally incompatible with Rooney. And there's no one on the midfield who can create and dictate the pace of the match. Add to that defenders that don't play the ball that well and full backs who can't dribble or defend at top level. The redeeming factor is that there are a lot of young players and you will have a new coach in some months, I hope. I like United, it hurts me to see that clown on the bench.
 
Media is finally turning on Rooney. About 2-3 years too late, but better late than never I suppose. You can't play Ibra and Rooney together, it's just too immobile. Ibra likes to drop deep, and is much more dangerous on the ball than Rooney. Rooney shouldn't be playing at all, never mind the fact that he's occupying Pogba's favored position. You know, Pogba? The player that cost a fortune? Funny how we break the world record transfer fee, and elect to play Rooney in his position instead. That's genius. We have cams, and strikers playing on the wings. We don't look like a cohesive unit, no one moves for each other off the ball. Same old, same old.
 
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Just start with Zlatan behind Rashford or Martial, drop Fellaini for Carrick, and play Mkhitaryan as well.
 
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It`s not a good start ,but too early to tell. Everyone is entitle to a blip or 2 during the season. I`m not a fan of Mou ,but then again ,I`m not a fan of Wenger. Stokes/WHU are in a worse situation and they both have time to turn it around.
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Hendo-Xhaka-Progba are in my fantasy football too! was hoping Progba pulled a spectacular -_-
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The thing with Mourinho tho is that he can turn a blip into a full blown crisis very quickly.

I was thinking that the scenario where he doesn't last 18 months would go something like:
-1st season, he'd have a good season but just miss out on the PL
-2nd season, by December it doesn't look like he's going to win the PL and he flips out.

Utd's next fixtures are Leicester, Stoke, Chelsea, Liverpool. If Utd don't improve quickly he could be flipping out a lot sooner, with his Chelsea meltdown fresh in the memory.

Do I think he will be sacked this season? not really, Utd will improve (and the teams above them will drop points) but it wouldn't surprise me. Woodward would have to walk with him but Mou could make his position untenable with his actions, unlike LVG.

Long season ahead tho. Utd far from out of the title race.

fwiw, If I was the manager atm I'd play

Ibra
Rashford Pogba Herrera Mkhi/Mata
Blind
Shaw Smalling Bailly Valencia
De Gea​

-Rooney would compete with Blind for the DM position. He wouldn't play anywhere else. All he has left is somewhat accurate long range passing.
-I rate Martial but his head isn't right atm
-If Valencia is your RB you may as well play a playmaker like Mata/Mkhi there who will come inside otherwise there's no point, you may as well play an actual RB at RB
-Utd played their best football since Ferguson when LVG played a 4141 with Young-Fellaini-Herrera-Mata. Rash>Young, Pogba>Fellaini Mkhi(probably)>Mata
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I think LVG had that bond w/ the hierarchy of the club. Mou doesn`t ,but it`s a long season and once he finds a solution things can turn around. I think they'll beat LCFC, Stoke and draw Chels/Pool .
 
There's nothing settled about Mourinho, that's for sure. Its eruptions are positive as negative, he's like a talk show host. The failures at Chelsea's 2nd season was always going to be a talking point. Mou is being bash for falling out w/ players... nothing new from his past club .
 
Been away a while, so fortunately missed most of the football. Happy days.

On Mou's United, I think a few things are happening:
1. He's giving Rooney enough rope to hang himself, and this seems to have worked. FINALLY the media are picking up on what a drain he is on us, and now I think the British media would be willing to 'allow' Mou to bench him. Reasonably smart politically, opposite of what he did with Raul. Of course, results wise, not so good.

2. It's a terrible run, but in isolation, each match is kind of understandable. Losing to City is something just about every team in the league will do this season, plus they're in excellent form. Feyenoord game was an absolute abomination of a match, reduced to a foul-party and terrible refereeing which allowed it. Should have been a draw, no one would have noted anything. Watford...2 late goals and it looks like a disaster, but from the min by min, it sounded like most thought United would go on and win at 1-1. Dunno, didn't see it.

Anyway, point being, and to answer the ref questions, each of those 3 matches COULD be quite different had refs 'done their job'. Certainly the Feyenoord and Watford's first goals are just poor officiating. Not saying we should be playing better, but at some point in theory we should start getting some luck again.

Plus, this is largely a new squad. Ibra, Pogba, Bailley all in the first XI, that's big changes. It'll take time. Further, having to play with 10 players due to Rooney would hurt any team - just look at England. He's genuinely that bad right now. Finally, LVG pretty much ruined a lot of these players ability to think quickly and play at high tempo. 2 years of coaching can't be undone instantly.

It's a long season. Let's see what happens. The media want to make anything with United into drama because that's what sells. Mou may not be the force he once was, but he's far from an idiot. I don't like him, but at this point we're stuck, so let's back him and the team.

Godo's team is exactly what I and most of United's fans want to see. A midfield 3 of Blind/Pogba/Herrera feels very balanced, as does a front 3 of Ibra with two pacey players.
 
Good performance today and definitely things look better with that setup today, allowed Pogba to run things which he did.
 
Mata popping up with an important (and good) goal again. Someone you'll need as it's very rare to score so many from corners
It appears that now Leicester can't wrestle opponents they can't defend set pieces for shit

Glad you won. Had a dream Mourinho got sacked and was disappointed. I want to enjoy smashing his face in for a couple of years yet, on the pitch of course ;)
 
The meltdown when Rooney starts next week with Ander sitting with that pretty face on the bench.
 
I think when you have 24 shots and only score 1, you know it's not your day.

But when they score from a deflected scuff, which Dave screws up, which deflects off 2 defenders, off the bar and into the path of the scorer...well then.

Maybe United's new sponsor is dodgy betting syndicates ;)
 
Confidence is still low, I think we need to go on a run now hopefully win our games till we get to Arsenal at OT and gather some momentum please.
 
Mourinho and United should have happend long time ago, even before Ferguson retired, because now i think it is to late for him and the club to fix what has been damadged... Ferguson realy despite being champion in his last season, has left the club in the state they were and from my point of view, it will be nearly impossible for Mourinho to bring back their way of football and perhaps his own winning style.. no matter how expensive players he buys or whoever he buys.. as LFC supporter i don´t miss United being stronger or contender right now for the highest places, but from a neutral point of view, what happens to this club should be a warrning to other clubs... That Pogba money should have been used more effective, because so far it has been very dissapointing... will be interesting how things will turn out but....it doesn´t look good so far..
 
That's rich coming from a Liverpool supporter ...calling the kettle blk ? Progba price tag is just modern footy, he still has time to develop himself in the league. It's November-_-
 
I agree with Bebo. The moneys been spent on pogba so thinking on what it should be spent on is pointless. Also writing off pogba already is also pointless. This time last year people were calling firmino a waste. For a while people were writing off Ozil. Nowadays for players and teams one or two bad matches and your'e done. Put a few wins together and your'e the best ever.

On United as a whole I don't think anyone had them as winning the league but at least they should and maybe yet challenging for it. One of the problems is too many square pegs in round holes. wingers at right back, strikers as wingers, left backs as centre backs Fellaini is a peg and shouldn't be on the pitch. I understand that its part of the football education for Martial and Rashford to play as wingers but I wish for once and awhile they could play as the front pair and that could change the whole dynamic of the team. If instead of playing Rooney and Ibra they went for M & R up front. They could play a 4132. Carrick as a holding midfielder with Pogba, Herrera and Mkhitaryan or Mata in midfield.

The other problem is the squad players. Some players are into their 3rd season at the club and have not made a big enough impact so they need to be moved on. Rojo, Blind(Great at centre back last year but will never be a main CB under Mourinho) Fellaini. The others signed last summer need to show massive improvement or they will also need to be moved on. Something else that needs a massive improvement is our scouts, manager Woodward or whoever is buying the players as the amount of money we spent(I know footballers ar dearer nowadays) is embarrassing. We need to buy players for their (or build players with) mental strength, work ethic and attitude as much as their football talent. We need winners not people more interested in how fancy their car or hat is (Depay). People like Rio, Vidic, Keane, Scholes, Robson, Charlton, Ronaldo, Gerrard, Terry, Drogba, Vierra, Keown Neville etc. There may be players on that list that people don't like but that's part of the point. They don't care if you like them, they care about winning and being the best and give all for the team they are playing in at the time. I wish the like of Depay, Januzaj had some of the work ethic of those or Lingard and Rashford cause they put them to shame. The last time I think we had a great team was around 2008. Since then even under Ferguson and winning the league some of the football has been terrible.

Paul Scholes said today that we will need 18 months for the team to be truly a Mourinho team, that it will be unrecognisable from what it is now and I don't doubt it. People harp on about Mourinho winning it in his first season at Chelsea but forget that he inherited a team that finished runners up the year before(I know he bought some players that summer). If he had came in to a team that was only good enough to finish 5th (and lucky at that)with a disgraceful style of football it may have taken him a bit longer.

We are going to take alot of hits from rival fans, media and idiots that hate United for the sake of it which I don't really care I can take that, its part of being a fan. But to see a team wearing the united badge play like that makes me sad. Its along way to building a great team again but in the meantime I hope we can do a bit better than tonight. Rant over. Matty out
 
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