I hope England lose 10-0

[Milanista]

He also seems to enjoy coaching the underdogs.

 

[Cloud1863]

He also seems to enjoy coaching the underdogs.

Well he should coach us for the Euros cause we will be that alright.

 

[vanzandt]

Hiddink won't be England coach, first he's got a contract with Russian NT till WC 2010 and second he 'll more likely not go there as from what I know he's been offered this job already, even before Russians approached him with an order, but he refused.

I was saying what I would do- not what the English F.A would do. The English F.A did NOT offer Hiddink the England job and are not proposing to offer him the job.

The English F.A conducted a series of interviews and Hiddink said he doesn't do interviews and so he was not considered.

So Hiddink has not and is not in the picture in terms of the England managers job.

If you have Hiddink contracted then I say well done Russia and all the best. If you qualify at Englands expense well done, if not hope you do well in the future.

I wish you well, football can only benefit from a country of Russia's size and importance doing well..

I know you would love to argue with me and would prefer me to be very disagreeable to Russia- but I wont be- sorry.

 

[Re-arranged]

Oh God! I don't wanna argue with you, I was just telling the fact (in case you didn't know about his new contract) just for the info not for sake of starting a fight or something. It wasn't your made up anti-England thing from me, just general info. It was my mistake, I won't speak to you again - pointless.

P.S. you definitely need to see a doctor, mate.

 

[vanzandt]

Oh God! I don't wanna argue with you, I was just telling the fact (in case you didn't know about his new contract) just for the info not for sake of starting a fight or something. It wasn't your made up anti-England thing from me, just general info. It was my mistake, I won't speak to you again - pointless.

P.S. you definitely need to see a doctor, mate.

Tired of people using conversations of national teams as a pretext for abusive behavior.

You have used bad abusive language before and you are abusive now- stop it and move on and please do not talk to me anymore if you can avoid it and I will do the same for you.

 

[StrikerPro]

We don't travel well we have always had poor away form but great at wembley no idea why :roll:
I put the blame firmly at the players feet i think at times they are arrogant and just think they will win easily and forget to do the simple things well.
To see the long balls being pumped forwards from the defenders absolutely baffles me as we can pass crisp fast and accurate.Somebody needs to take RIO & co to one side and explain how hoofing the ball 50 yards just loses possession 90% of the time.
I still think we are top ten in the world whatever the fifa rankings claim.

 

[T Butcher fan]

Tired of people using conversations of national teams as a pretext for abusive behavior.

You have used bad abusive language before and you are abusive now- stop it and move on and please do not talk to me anymore if you can avoid it and I will do the same for you.

I can't see what Re-Arranged has said that got your goat so much. All looked fairly harmless to me. Just repeated what we all knew, Hiddink wouldn't consider England and has (or is about to) renew his contract with Russia. Not sure how that's abusive?

 

[tobi]

I hope England lose.

 

[BobbyBox]

I hope England win or draw I really not very keen on Mclaren but I want to see England play in the tournamant - its the only time me and my mates watch a game together and support the same team

They are all Spurs and Liverpool supporters - bloody Scum!!

 

[Re-arranged]

I can't see what Re-Arranged has said that got your goat so much. All looked fairly harmless to me. Just repeated what we all knew, Hiddink wouldn't consider England and has (or is about to) renew his contract with Russia. Not sure how that's abusive?

He's got some mental problems, he thinks that I'm a member of some kind of anti-England secret organization and anything I say is attack on England or on him personally. We've had an argument before, started by him. This is where he started attacking me, gib and PLF, while we weren't even talking to him or even somehow abusing England: https://evo-web.co.uk/threads/43030/page-4 . Anyway he's now on my ignore list, don't wanna read his crap anymore.

 

[TikTikTikTikTik]

Dont know if I actually want england to go through, would probably be more amusing to see them fail against croatia. And atleast it will spare us all the nonsense we will have in the build-up to euro08 and offcourse the usual depressing site of england playing completely cack and failing at the qf. As well as giving my club team players some decent rest.

But then its always a bit of fun to see england in the tournament and watch how people(pundits) consistantly fail to "get" why they are so crap. Also atleast its something to watch during the summer aswell.

I guess I dont care either way.........

 

[vanzandt]

He's got some mental problems, he thinks that I'm a member of some kind of anti-England secret organization and anything I say is attack on England or on him personally. We've had an argument before, started by him. This is where he started attacking me, gib and PLF, while we weren't even talking to him or even somehow abusing England: https://evo-web.co.uk/threads/43030/page-4 . Anyway he's now on my ignore list, don't wanna read his crap anymore.

I have never pm'd you so don't say I am on your ignore list as it implies I have mailed you when I never done any such thing!

You have constantly been abusive towards me.

I can't see what Re-Arranged has said that got your goat so much. All looked fairly harmless to me. Just repeated what we all knew, Hiddink wouldn't consider England and has (or is about to) renew his contract with Russia. Not sure how that's abusive?

There is a history and I thought he was looking for an argument, which is fair enough as he usually is. All I suggested was that He was probably looking for an argument, which he has done in the past. If you look at my first post in this thread I didn’t say anything beyond that.

In regard to what got my goat in the last post this;

you definitely need to see a doctor, mate.

In general in the other thread;

oh vanzandt I won't be having an argument with you,'cos you're most likely insane or on some serious drugs.

vanzandt, your post is pure bullshit as u stated at the end of it, therefore I won't even bother answering to ur crap any longer. It's obvious that ur a blind, insane fanatic who just seeks someone to have an argument with and to relieve your anger after loosing a game in a shameful catenaccio-like football which didn't work cos your not Italy obviously. Goodbye and good luck.

Added to that;

He joined in a racist conversation with others in berating English fans over and over and over again after Russia beat England, pure schadenfreude.

He was ripping English fans apart for calling other nations small teams, for arrogantly hyping their own players etc etc.

The thing was, not one single person actually did what he claimed. No one in the thread or on the board was doing anything he claimed and his posts were really about making fun of English people on the board and spewing vicious bile and hatred out.

He has used national football as a pretext to be abusive- plain and simple.

Re-arranged

From now on in I do not ever wish to post to you, will hopefully never have to reply to anything you say. I will avoid you completely if possible and I urge you to do the same.

 

[Nick Cave]

This is why you have an ignore list...

 

[Aboutreika18]

Ladies, put the handbags away please.

 

[edible10]

this happens every tournament doesnt it. england play shit all throughout the qualifiers and barely scrape through whilst @ the same time the media and the fans slag them off.

but then they eventually qualify and its all forgotten. everyone whips out the flags, paints their garages in st georges cross' and rant and rave about how theyre gonna go all the way. no wonder all the other nations are laughing at us.

in fact getting there at all is an achievement as england really arent as good as they, the media and the fans think they are.

i think if they didnt qualify it would do wonders for them as the reality would actually sink in for once.

 

[vanzandt]

this happens every tournament doesnt it. england play shit all throughout the qualifiers and barely scrape through whilst @ the same time the media and the fans slag them off.

but then they eventually qualify and its all forgotten. everyone whips out the flags, paints their garages in st georges cross' and rant and rave about how theyre gonna go all the way. no wonder all the other nations are laughing at us.

in fact getting there at all is an achievement as england really arent as good as they, the media and the fans think they are.

i think if they didnt qualify it would do wonders for them as the reality would actually sink in for once.

Where are all these arrogant fans who believe the media hype?

I must say I live in England and I don't see them and I don't see them on this board either.

I mean do they actually exist at all?

Or is it just a myth, a non existant stereotype comfortably painted to hammer the English with?

You comment on all the St George flags and painted garages as though that equates to arrogance and a belief that England will go all the way.

So presumably by logical extension the Scots are some of the most arrogant supporters in the world always being in their tartan and with St Andrews flags?

Oh shite, it falls apart because as we know that isn't actually true

I mean we know that the Scottish fans are just giving decent vocal and visual support to their team and wanting the best....

Could it be that is the same with the English?

Mmmm:roll:

The English whip out flags- even your use of adjective suggests something disconcerting.....ridiculous!

The media hype England yep, the media are guilty yep.

The fans?

They are no different to any countries fans, some tossers, some great people, some arrogant, some lacking in belief etc etc etc

 

[edible10]

why do you have to take offence to everything anyone writes. this forum does not revolve around you ffs.

you question my comment when i say england fans slag the team off all throughout qualifying and then sing their praises once they are there.

you say they dont exist? i do believe you started this thread which incase you have forgotten is entitled "I hope England lose 10-0",well you just answered your own question there. for someone who wants to see his national side lose, you seem rather quick to jump to their defence.

your right the scots do wear their tartan and get theyre flags out when the national team play, but the key difference is they do it every game win lose or draw. england fans only seem to do it when theyre in a tournament that they stupidly believe were going to win.

how many threads did you see called i hope scotland lose 10-0 after their defeat to georgia which alot of people would say is more embarrassing than losing to russia in moscow.

i never implied that getting the flag out or painting the garage etc was a sign of arrogance, i was merely pointing out the fact that its only done when england are winning.

england fans are very different to other countries fans and that is a fact. most countries fans show their support through the entire campaign and not just when they feel like it.

just face it england really arent as good as we think they are and the whole world knows it and the sooner they realise it the sooner we will actually win something

 

[vanzandt]

why do you have to take offence to everything anyone writes. this forum does not revolve around you ffs.

I don't.

I take offense at some of the bullshit generalisations that are constantly made.

you question my comment when i say england fans slag the team off all throughout qualifying and then sing their praises once they are there.

Try reading what I actually say and not put words in my mouth.

Though this is yet another generalisation that is also completely wrong and also worthy of the same contempt.

you say they dont exist? i do believe you started this thread which incase you have forgotten is entitled "I hope England lose 10-0",well you just answered your own question there. for someone who wants to see his national side lose, you seem rather quick to jump to their defence.

I can hold any opinion I want, I am not answerable to people who are here to try and constantly take the piss. Seeing how you bring up my post though and question the logic I will show you what I am doing just to show you how poor your logic actually is.

I wanted the team to lose a friendly so that we could get in a manager who is actually semi decent who could offer hope for the future. I am more interested in the long term interests of the England team, rather than the short term. People can question that all they want, but the fact is it is my opinion and I have the right to hold it and it is also an opinion held by many Englsih fans. Furthermore and to the point, you are making generalisations of English people, of English fans, that is what I am not happy. Nothing to do with the England team, my issue is in defending English fans from such derogatory generalisations. If you think England is a poor, mediocre or great team and commented about then I would have no problem at all.

So I am not jumping to the defense of the England team, but to English fans and ME wanting England to lose a friendly and replace Mclaren has nothing to do with your false claims about English fans.

Because A) I am not all English fans and B) I am critisizing the manager not the team and I never hype the England team and have never in my life espoused that England are great or going to win a tournament...and I have never heard any English fans speak like this.

So your generalisation fall down in my case and falls down generaly as ALL generalisations of an entire nation of fans will do be them Scottish Welsh, Italian, German, English etc.

your right the scots do wear their tartan and get theyre flags out when the national team play, but the key difference is they do it every game win lose or draw. england fans only seem to do it when theyre in a tournament that they stupidly believe were going to win.

A few more untrue sweeping generalisations.

how many threads did you see called i hope scotland lose 10-0 after their defeat to georgia which alot of people would say is more embarrassing than losing to russia in moscow.

You are comparing one apple to a bunch of bananns

First of all I am one person, so I do not speak for all English fans, you are trying to apply my comments to all English fans and so that is incorrect in of itself.

Second of all if one Scottish fan says anything you disagree with according to an extension of your logical argument it must be representative of all Scottish fans. Now given we know that is proposterous and not true...you cannot apply the former of my statement to all English fans.

Thirdly Scotland were in a superior position in terms of qualification at the point you mention having had a good campaign given expectations based on prior campaigns, having also played superior opposition and having had superior perfomances.

In short the position of the two teams given everything that has come before and performace is not comprable.

Now if you have support a football club I presume that you have at one time or anther had no confidence in a given manager. Certainly this is true of most supporters of most clubs at one time or another. When that happens as may have happened to you before, it is common for the fans to call for the head of the manager- particularly if he seems to have performed poorly.

I am only acting in the same manner.

If you have ever called for the head of a manager, you have by logical extension no right to critisize me whatsoever!!

But again my comments are NOT representative of all England fans and have nothing to do with most of your generalisations...such as over hypijgn England which I have never done.

Also presumably if any Scottish fan ever called for the head of Berti Vogts...

Well again by logical extension that could be applied to all Scotiish fans and used to bash them all with as you are trying to use my comments to bash all England fans?

See again it doesn't make sense....generalisations NEVER make sense and that is what I am ripping into.

If you want to say England are a bag of spanners and turd...then fine- no problem.

I have no problem with an opinion of the England national team no matter what....just all these bullshit generalisations of England fans that ARE derogatory!!!!!

i never implied that getting the flag out or painting the garage etc was a sign of arrogance, i was merely pointing out the fact that its only done when england are winning.

But that isn't true. I mean factually that is a false statement/lie.

I see England flags up every tournament we are in whether we are winning or losing and I had my flags up long after we got knowcked out of the tournament and while we were in tournaments getting beat or playing badly. Likewise at England qualifying matches you see tons of English fans with flags etc

england fans are very different to other countries fans and that is a fact. most countries fans show their support through the entire campaign and not just when they feel like it.

Sweeping generalisation and a derogatory lie.

just face it england really arent as good as we think they are and the whole world knows it and the sooner they realise it the sooner we will actually win something

Who said I even thought England were good?

Sorry to burst your bubble but I don't think England are good and very rarely do.

Oh Shit I don't fit your derogatory stereotype there either do I?

In fact can you go and find me the England fans that do think England are good?

I doubt you will find many of them at all.....oh look your conveinient stereotype is actually a complete myth. :roll::roll:

This is the pathetic shite England fans find themselves having to trawl though all the time on this website.

 

[edible10]

oh for fuck sake you fucking idiot. who made you the defender of all the england fans eh? dont say this is a "generalisation" cos its true, you said your argument is against people making derogatory remarks against the fans.

dont talk to me as if im a foreigner having a go @ the english because i am english, i live in england and have every right to comment on this and everything i have said does happen in this country.

people may think its a bit harsh calling you an idiot @ the start of this post but, to take a direct quote from you, "I wanted the team to lose a friendly so that we could get in a manager who is actually semi decent who could offer hope for the future."

are you really that retarded? the F.A. arent gonna sack a manager because a defeat to austria would be the icing on the cake of a campaign of poor performances.

again not all of my last post was aimed at you hence the reason when i was reffering to you i said "you" and when reffering to england fans in general i said "england fans". you really need to stop thinking everything is about you! and incase you too stupid enough to understand, that rule applies in this post as well

and if youve never heard anyone in england say " were gonna do it this year" then you really need to get out on the streets of england more and maybe read a newspaper or 2, that is of course if you can actually read instead of just interpreting what you think is said as opposed to what is actually said which you prove every time you post.

heres another of your amazing comments on when i say england fans are only behind the team in tournaments, "I see England flags up every tournament":roll:

you obviously dont read these posts properly because you confirmed my point with that comment. in case you forgot i said you only see the fans putting flags up for the finals of a tournament. completely erasing the memories of them booing the team in the qualifiers.

oh and by the way, scotland werent in a superior qualifying position than england when they lost to georgia, in fact both teams were 2nd in there group with 2 games left before they lost. although scotland were on 24pts and england 23 if thats to be considered a superior position.:-k

you were right on one thing though, you are only one person and therefore do not speak for all the england fans, so do us all a favour and shut the fuck up!

 

[Ret KiT]

vanzan i don't understand, you make a thread called " I hope England lose 10-0 " . It's clear title that states you are tired of England's piss poor performance and surely it's a topic to discuss why England has good players but still struggle , yet you still get offended when people make comments why the national team performs horrible.

 

[vanzandt]

This is the last time I am posting in the thread and it may well be one of the last posts I ever make in regard to England because people can only talk in abusive tones.

People simply do not talk with any respect at all when it comes to talking about national teams so it isn’t worth talking at all. As an Everton fan I almost NEVER feel insulted as an Evertonian like I do as an England fan talking about England.

oh for fuck sake you fucking idiot. who made you the defender of all the england fans eh?

I am an England fan, if you make critical generalizations about England fans then by extension you are criticizing me, this is utterly different from criticizing the England team which is utterly separate.

As an Everton fan sometimes Everton are criticized- no problem. But I do not get told non stop that Evertonian’s are shit or that we are all crap fans.

This is what you get told as an England fan.

Now pal I don’t give a flying fuck what you call yourself, but you ARE claeraly out of order making generalizations of all England fans and I don’t give a fuck whether you are English or not, cause your clearly not a fan or a very misguided one.

dont say this is a "generalisation" cos its true, you said your argument is against people making derogatory remarks against the fans.
!

How can a generalization NOT be a generalization?

Are you crazy?

If you label ALL people with a tag that is a generalization, if you do not understand that you do not have the mental capacity in order to debate in any rational fashion.

dont talk to me as if im a foreigner having a go @ the english because i am english, i live in england and have every right to comment on this and everything i have said does happen in this country.

No it doesn’t!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You are saying this is how EVERYONE is via a generalization, that is what you have done which is fucking ridiculous and to say it is not a generalization is fucking retarded!!!!

and if youve never heard anyone in england say " were gonna do it this year" then you really need to get out on the streets of england more and maybe read a newspaper or 2, that is of course if you can actually read instead of just interpreting what you think is said as opposed to what is actually said which you prove every time you post.

Even if you heard some fans say that, it would not mean ALL England fans say that and it would categorically NOT mean that even anything approaching a majority of fans ever said that.

What the fuckdo you not understand about that!!

What do you not understand about the fact that generalizations are WRONG preceicely because they categorize the way everyone thinks because of how a few people or even one person thinks?

heres another of your amazing comments on when i say england fans are only behind the team in tournaments, "I see England flags up every tournament":roll:

I was commenting your argument as a whole and to be fair I said the flags were up whether England was winning or losing and crucially I also commented on flags being up after we were knocked out of tournaments which you conveniently managed to leave out.

Also when you go to the stadium and see the fans they are covered in flags and banners in the stadium at qualifiers I said that as well….Oh fucking whoops you managed to conveniently miss that out as well.

you obviously dont read these posts properly because you confirmed my point with that comment. in case you forgot i said you only see the fans putting flags up for the finals of a tournament. completely erasing the memories of them booing the team in the qualifiers.

No I did not as you can see in my answer above.

Also what are you on about, you think putting flags up erases the memories of qualifying?

Where the fuck did you get that horse shit from?

I mean did ALL the England fans across the country come and tell you that?

That is pathetic. England fans put the flags up to support the team and they do it knowing what happened in the qualifiers.

Mate you have got a fucking massive chip on your shoulder regarding England fans like a lot of people on the board.

oh and by the way, scotland werent in a superior qualifying position than england when they lost to georgia, in fact both teams were 2nd in there group with 2 games left before they lost. although scotland were on 24pts and england 23 if thats to be considered a superior position.:-k

Actually that is complete Rubbish because with two games to go qualification wasn’t in Englands hands, Scotland were not in that position at any point- qualification was always at the hands of Scotland- they never had to depend on other teams results in order to qualify.

you were right on one thing though, you are only one person and therefore do not speak for all the england fans, so do us all a favour and shut the fuck up!

No you horrible little person I wont.

You are the one that has ripped the shite out of England fans so why should I be the one to shut up!!

YOU are a horrible person with a chip on your shoulder and I do not believe for one second that you are English- certainly you are NOT an England fan you are a wurm/wind up merchant.

vanzan i don't understand, you make a thread called " I hope England lose 10-0 " . It's clear title that states you are tired of England's piss poor performance and surely it's a topic to discuss why England has good players but still struggle , yet you still get offended when people make comments why the national team performs horrible.

Yes I am tired of England poor performance that much is true. But this bloke has NOT attacked England or their performances. He has done nothing except attack English fans- HUGE difference. If he had discussed the England team and said anything no matter how critical I would not have had a problem- he did NOT do that.

He attacked ALL English fans with vast sweeping derogatory generalizations!!!!!!!!!


That is me out of this thread.

P.S

I am thinking of jibbing this site completely such are the number of wind up merchants and people being abusive on here who use the excuse of using national team affairs to treat fans like utter shite.

And if anyone wishes to say that I have been insulting too, to a degree yes, but nowhere near to the same degree and only after I was called for a lot.

 

[edible10]

your still misinterpreting everything anyone says. i truly hope you do leave the site because you certainly wouldnt be missed. from what i and every other person can see is that it is you who is the wind up merchant as every thread you post in turns into a massive argument because no one else is allowed to post anything that goes against whatever bollocks youve just said.

its funny how not one person in any of these threads has backed you up on your claims. yet your still the victim as everyone has a massive chip on their shoulder. maybe you should sit back and have a think why no one agrees with you, go on its plain for all to see.

and what are you going on about when you say i conveniently left parts of what you said out when i quoted you. i hardly left them out when they are in your original post for people to read themselves. most people aren't as retarded as you and dont need things posted twice for it to sink in.

like i say, my original post was not aimed @ you personally its an opinion, which of course no one else is allowed. it was not an attack on the fans and if you look at my first post i clearly say "england really arent as good as themselves, the media and the fans think they are."

somehow from me making a comment on how the expectations of what england should be acheiving are so high you misinterprate that as i am singling out the fans.

if this thread doesnt get deleted by the admins, i strongly suggest you read exactly what has been written, and by everyone not just me. i think youll find that everything you have wrote has no bearing on what anyone else has said. and also an over excessive use of the word generalisation.

 

[Re-arranged]

I'd suggest close this thread too, but the best thing give this idiot read only status so that he won't wind up users with stupid posts (which are 90% of all of his posts) anymore.

 

[RuneEdge]

Can't they just spoiler tag their posts so the rest of us can carry on using this thread?

 

[gerd]

oh for fuck sake you fucking idiot. who made you the defender of all the england fans eh? dont say this is a "generalisation" cos its true, you said your argument is against people making derogatory remarks against the fans.

dont talk to me as if im a foreigner having a go @ the english because i am english, i live in england and have every right to comment on this and everything i have said does happen in this country.

people may think its a bit harsh calling you an idiot @ the start of this post but, to take a direct quote from you, "I wanted the team to lose a friendly so that we could get in a manager who is actually semi decent who could offer hope for the future."

are you really that retarded? the F.A. arent gonna sack a manager because a defeat to austria would be the icing on the cake of a campaign of poor performances.

again not all of my last post was aimed at you hence the reason when i was reffering to you i said "you" and when reffering to england fans in general i said "england fans". you really need to stop thinking everything is about you! and incase you too stupid enough to understand, that rule applies in this post as well

and if youve never heard anyone in england say " were gonna do it this year" then you really need to get out on the streets of england more and maybe read a newspaper or 2, that is of course if you can actually read instead of just interpreting what you think is said as opposed to what is actually said which you prove every time you post.

heres another of your amazing comments on when i say england fans are only behind the team in tournaments, "I see England flags up every tournament":roll:

you obviously dont read these posts properly because you confirmed my point with that comment. in case you forgot i said you only see the fans putting flags up for the finals of a tournament. completely erasing the memories of them booing the team in the qualifiers.

oh and by the way, scotland werent in a superior qualifying position than england when they lost to georgia, in fact both teams were 2nd in there group with 2 games left before they lost. although scotland were on 24pts and england 23 if thats to be considered a superior position.:-k

you were right on one thing though, you are only one person and therefore do not speak for all the england fans, so do us all a favour and shut the fuck up!

Very mature post....this is supposed to be a discussion...your last paragraph says it all...how can you call somebody you never met an idiot????

Well to answer my own question, by reading your last post again, i can understand you...but i'm fairly certain that it isn't vanzandt who is acting like an idiot here...

As a matter of fact you've done him a big service, your reaction proves his points entirely....well done son...very well done ...:applause:\\:o/:applause:

PS: don't bother to react...i won't change my mind...somebody who does not respect others is not worth my respect...no hard feelings...

 

[edible10]

god this forum is full of people who dont actually read what is written.

oh and im not reacting because i want you to change your mind and respect me because quite frankly i couldnt care less.

why should i respect him when i make a comment on the national team as a whole and the media and fans and he goes and turns into an argument that i personally attacked him and the english fans. that to me is someone acting like an idiot so therefore in my opinion hes an idiot.

 

[ArchangeI]

Well finally England lost.
all happy now?

 

[Blue4life]

Hmmmm interesting read.....watched a great game last night , well for a neutral any way , croatia were a breathe of fresh air for football in general , they had already qualified remember , most teams would hardly turn up or play a very weakened team, and for the english, listening to mugclaren and stevie (i went missing again ) gerrard before the game talked like they just had to turn up to qualify. Think a complete overhaul is badly needed at the english fa and to the players in general , get rid of all the dead wood including becks lamps and gerrard who by the way sounded like he could not give a flying f ** k after the game.....