How good do you think Wayne Rooney is at this present time?

How good is Wayne Rooney?

  • I would describe Wayne Rooney as a special player

    Votes: 17 23.6%

  • I would describe Wayne Rooney as an excellent player

    Votes: 30 41.7%

  • I would describe Wayne Rooney as a good player

    Votes: 18 25.0%

  • I would describe Wayne Rooney as average

    Votes: 7 9.7%
  • Total voters
    72
  • Poll closed .
Clockender

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Please rate how good you feel Wayne Rooney is at this stage in his career. Some say he is special others say he is just good. Please vote in this poll.

Thanks.
 
I would say he's good, but he has potential. On his day, he can be excellent. But he's not a special player (yet). I expected him to be much better when I first saw him in Everton (we say that with so many youngsters don't we), although he can become the player I thought he would be. The only youngster who I feel is special ATM is Messi.
 
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I think he`s having an average season atm but he has a lot to offer he needs to be top EPL scorer regularly or at least runner up and not to C.Ronaldo.
 
Since he is know is playing as a PROPER CF he is scoring goals galore so i dont understand people that say he needs to score more, if he plays where he does at the moment he will score 25+ a season but if he plays on the left wing or behind the front man he might not, anway simple he's a excellent player and probably will be a special one but thats if he does more than score goals
 
He's a bit overrated.

He's not very consistent player in my humble opinion... sometimes he's the best foward of the world and in another day he has discipline problems and some arrogance as C. Ronaldo had some time before and now he is better thanks to Sir Alex. By the way in England NT games he doesn't show all the quality as he plays @ Man Utd.

He has all of the possibilities to be a hell of a player.
 
Clockender - very funny you putting this poll up. Good Job.

A good way to prove your point to Gomito :)
 
his point will never get across to me because we disagree. I honestly cant see how someone doesnt think he isnt special. If rooney isnt special then neither is cesc. I doubt you guys will conceed that, if you do, your just pacifying your argument...
 
Rooney is special and anyone who thinks otherwise either doesn't understand football or doesn't watch him enough.

By the way on the point of goals and the number that he had in comparison to C Ronaldo that someone made.

In actual fact that was ONE season and I think there was only a couple of goals between them and that was with C Ronaldo taking all the free kicks and penalties, plus just to remind people Rooney was not an out and out striker for most of last season or those preceding last season, but was often employed as a split striker or wide left or right.

Who on earth is a special player if Rooney isn't?

I mean seriously, if Rooney is not special then neither is Gerrard, neither is Fabrigas, neither is Messi, neither is Kaka etc.
 
different people have a different definition for special I guess.

Gerrard is special. I wouldn't say Fabregas is - I am a Gooner aswell. I think he will be though.

I don't see enough of Messi and Kaka to comment.
 
vanzandt said:
Who on earth is a special player if Rooney isn't?
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Riquelme, Ezequiel Lavezzi, Kaka, Modric, Zidane (was). I've never seen Rooney destroy a big team, I've never seen him really boss a game against quality opposition in the Champions League, I've never seen him boss a game for England.

He has too many quiet games to be considered special... If he was from Argentina he would be called an average player.
 
CBG said:
Riquelme, Ezequiel Lavezzi, Kaka, Modric, Zidane (was). I've never seen Rooney destroy a big team, I've never seen him really boss a game against quality opposition in the Champions League, I've never seen him boss a game for England.
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Rooney scored 4 goals in three games in EURO 2004 and was joint second highest goalscorer at 19 years old….maybe you missed the tournament.

He scored a hat-trick on his champion’s league debut for Man Utd and scored 4 goals in 4 matches in last seasons Champions league quarter and semi finals.

I have just checked the stats and apparently Rooney scored the exact same number of goals as C Ronaldo did for Man Utd last year. He scored 23 goals in all competitions, putting him level with team-mate Cristiano Ronaldo in terms of goals scored in all competitions in the 2006-07 season. And remember Rooney was often played as a secondary striker behind Saha or in wide positions and rarely as a striker and C Ronaldo took all the penalties and free kicks so Rooneys total did not involve penalties.

Obviously those goals and the many assists that he made contributed to Man Utd winning the title.

You obviously haven’t seen anywhere near enough games to be a good judge of his abiltity or you are a poor judge of ability generally.

I say that because no top manager in the world would say that Rooney isn’t special- just a few daft people who don’t understand football would say that.

CBG said:
He has too many quiet games to be considered special... If he was from Argentina he would be called an average player.
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That is a laughable statement, you obviously have some agenda- I’m not even talking to you any further on this.
 
i wouldn't put rooney on the bench of a dream team, i think that explains why rooney isn't special.
 
vanzandt said:
Rooney scored 4 goals in three games in EURO 2004 and was joint second highest goalscorer at 19 years old….maybe you missed the tournament.

He scored a hat-trick on his champion’s league debut for Man Utd and scored 4 goals in 4 matches in last seasons Champions league quarter and semi finals.

I have just checked the stats and apparently Rooney scored the exact same number of goals as C Ronaldo did for Man Utd last year. He scored 23 goals in all competitions, putting him level with team-mate Cristiano Ronaldo in terms of goals scored in all competitions in the 2006-07 season. And remember Rooney was often played as a secondary striker behind Saha or in wide positions and rarely as a striker and C Ronaldo took all the penalties and free kicks so Rooneys total did not involve penalties.

Obviously those goals and the many assists that he made contributed to Man Utd winning the title.

You obviously haven’t seen anywhere near enough games to be a good judge of his abiltity or you are a poor judge of ability generally.

I say that because no top manager in the world would say that Rooney isn’t special- just a few daft people who don’t understand football would say that.
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Basically what I was gonna say. And those are just stats, the things I like about him the most are the things that cant be displayed by figures.
First of all, most big players have an ego, and sadly it affects their performance. That never happens with Rooney. I'm not saying he doesnt have an ego cuz everyone does but you're never gonna see it affect his game. You'll almost never see Rooney being ball greedy like the Ronaldos and the Ronaldinhos are when they go for glory instead of the obvious assist. He can go 10 games without a goal but you wont see him getting desperate to score. We saw this last season after a break where he knew he couldnt score but as assisting all the other players. He's happy to wait if its for the best.
Secondly, you're not gonna see him do something stupid like refuse to warm up before being subbed on like Berbatov did recently. When it comes to his football, he's a lot more professional. His personal life, whether it be outside his football life, or even with collegues in the football world, will never affect his game but we've seen it destroy many player/club relationships in the past. Take the World Cup incident with Ronaldo as an example. Whose fault it was or what you think of the situation is irrelavant here. The bottom line is that Rooney was pissed off and most would have expected him to get his own back once he met Ronaldo. Knowing what Rooney's temper is like, and how the media made Ronaldo look like such an asshole, the last thing you would have expected was to see Rooney assisting Ronaldo for his goals and then seeing them two embrace during their celebrations. But thats Rooney for you. I honestly cant imagine many other players being able to do the same if they were in his position.
Thirdly, (and a bit more to do with his footballing ability) he's one of the few players who I've seen that can give 100% at a consistant level for the whole 90 minutes. Most players get tired, slow down, etc. Ronaldo showed a lot of this during his first few years at United but both him and Rooney have recently shown they they will harass defenders till the last second.
And finally, his temper. Yes he's stupid at times but he's never complaining about anything others wouldnt, he's just not affraid to hide his feelings. And if you asked most United fans whether they'd rather see him calm down, most would tell you they like him the way he is. I want to see my players show that they care about the game, not look like they dont care.
I'm not trying to say there arent any other players in this world who do those things that I mentioned above, there just arent many who do ALL of them AND have the ability as good as Rooney does to back it up.
If you genuinely don't think he's that good then fair enough but I just hate it when most of the people that don't like him are people who are either biased against him (rivalries or whatever), don't know what they're talking about and just like to jump on bandwagons.
 
beboq said:
I think he`s having an average season atm but he has a lot to offer he needs to be top EPL scorer regularly or at least runner up and not to C.Ronaldo.
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Are you watching the premiership or is your judgement clouded by the fact that you are an Arsenal fan...Rooney is much better than Ronaldo at the moment.

Csaunders ("gomito"): Rooney is excellent and can become special...he has everything to become special (except maybe his temper) but Cesc Fabregas already is special...he is by far the best player in the Premiership this year...

I think last weekend's match showed the difference between Man Utd and Arsenal.
Arsenal are a dominant, attacking side who dicate the pace of the game and the game itself..
Man Utd basically are a counter-attacking team, although perhaps the most brilliant counter-attacking team i've ever seen (and i watch football for 40 years).

Both are very good teams each in their own way...



But in the end Chelsea will win the title...because they are the most German team in the world (and everybody knows what Lineker thinks about football).
 
I have said excellent, mainly because I think that he can become a special player. At the current time though he ain't and the jury is out whether he can be.

Gomito: I don't think Cesc is anywhere near special either, but like our Wayne he has the potential to be.
 
gerd said:
Are you watching the premiership or is your judgement clouded by the fact that you are an Arsenal fan...Rooney is much better than Ronaldo at the moment.
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Euro 04 I thought Rooney would be more dangerous than Ruud from that point . I`m speaking from the start of this season me being an Arsenal fan has nothing to do w/ it. I like watching C.Ronaldo I admit it and I like tevez since the Boca days

I said he(Rooney) has a lot to offer no doubt..but I can`t predict the future
 
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A lot of people are willing to say that C Ronaldo should be world player of the year, most that he should at least be in the running for that honour.

But people do not consider Rooney special?

This depite the fact that Rooney gets far more assists that C Ronaldo, despite the fact that he scored the same number of goals as C Ronaldo in fewer games without taking penalties or free kicks, despite the fact that Rooney scored 4 goals in 4 games in the quarters and semis of the champions league...how many did C Ronaldo score at the big stage again?....was it 1?

Rooney does all this NOT as an out and out striker, because last year he was played as either a split striker or on the wing.

Also Rooney was second to top scorer in EURO 2004 with 4 goals in 3 games at 19 years old- baring in mind he only played 3 and a bit matches due to then being injured.

Now lets look to the other players mentioned.

Fabregas is being mentioned as special but Rooney not...ok.

Can someone tell me of a major competition like the EUROs etc where Fabregas has done it on the major stage?

Nope he hasn't done that yet.

How about the Champions League?

Nope, he has not been a big player there yet (please don't anyone try and mention the final a few years back as he was no more than a bit part back then).

He has not had the impact in the Champions League that Rooney has.

Fabregas is coming of age this year and is the one is becoming special or reaching that point...Rooney already is special.

Then we come to mentioning Ruud Van Nistelrooy;

He is nothing like Rooney, they are utterly different player and comparing the two on the basis of goals is stupid.

The fact is Van is a poacher and does nothing outside the box whereas Rooney score and sets up as many as he scores and defends from the front.

I am not saying Rooney is better than Van, but I am saying that they are totally different players and the comparison is stupid.

Rooney will set-up 20 goals a season...he will get far more assists than C Ronaldo and as many as Fabregas and he will get quite a few goals and a fair number will come from outside the box as well. Added to that he holds the ball up well and has pace in over the top.

In short Rooney has done FAR more in his career when you consider the EUROs, winning the league and scoring goals in the champions league at crucial stages than either Ronaldo or Fabregas and he has done that depsite having had two broken metatarsal injuries in as many years, quite a few games out and changing positions and strike partners.

You lot seen to have short memories and you jump on bandwagons too easily.
 
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I miss the option:

Not as good as many English allways think.

Just as they allways overrate the national English team. It says enough they probably won't qualify. Yet, in games as FM and CM they allways seem to rule... :lol: because the English scouts overrate them :p
 
are you his agent? ;) I understand we read a few lines and run w/it. I think Messi is special even though he has no honors
 
Uptil now Cesc Fabregas was plying in a team that was not as good as Man Utd.
I like you Vanzandt, but sometimes i don't like your arguments.
You forgot that Fabregas already played in CL final and did very well...
The way he is the leader of Arsenal this season is outstanding. And you English always pretend that Premiership is the best league in the world...(i don't agree).

But i admit that calling both Fabregas and Roony "special" is exagerated. The only truly special player mentioned in this thread is Lionel Messi. He is the only one who can come in the same league as Pele, Garrincha, Cruijff and Zidane...the best players ever.
Rooney and Fabregas can end a litle bit lower on the ladder with the likes of Beckenbauer, Gullit, Van Basten, Platini and Maradonna.


OOPS, this is a provoking post...
 
Rooney is an excellent player, I don't think he's special, yet, but he's got a long career infront of him. Just a shame he'll be at United for most of it
 
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