RuneEdge
Silent Assassin
- 1 October 2003
- Manchester United
I had no choice but you quote you cuz otherwise you wouldnt know what I'm talking about. If it bothers you so much, I'll spoiler tag them to prevent pointless spamming.
Well if that was the case, they could have simply chose to not say anything at all about whether things in the game were predetermined.
And also with that logic, if the whole of Konami workforce all gathered around your front door and said in unison, "THE GAME HAS NO SCRIPTING! IT DOES NOT CHEAT!", and then they wrote that down on a piece of paper, signed it, and then framed it for you, you probably still wouldnt accept it. Cuz your arguement would be that they're only saying so cuz they cant admit the cheating.
You can only believe what you are told. If you're not gonna believe someone like that, then you're just extremely stubborn and not worth having conversations with...ever, even in person.
As for that quote that you dont believe you said:
I never said they found out anything about the AI directly. I said that you believed the game decides which side to favour and once its made that selection, that little piece of data that gets stored in the console or PC's memory hasnt been found. But similar bits of data such as altering the play time (for demo extenders) or editing player growths in ML have been found.
I never called you a bad loser. I just said that if you made up something like the game is cheating then one would assume that you are a bad loser. And thats exactly how you are sounding. I know that game makes it difficult for you (not in the same way), but I still manage to beat them often enough that its not even a problem for me. As a matter of fact, the more often to beat the CPU against it, the less often it seems to feel it its happening.
This limitedness of the AI was also explained in the guide and what he meant was that he wanted an AI that was even more realistic where they had different playing styles (like a Arsenal style or a Chelsea style) and he also said that he wanted a AI system where a side with greater team spirit (like a mid table team) was able to beat a bunch of inconsistant stars like the ones at Real Madrid. This is what the console is limiting Konami from doing and this is what he actually meant. If this interview was a major reason to believe in what you do then you sadly misunderstood the point here.
ClassicD said:The guide says nothing in the game is pre-determined, is immediately dismissable because if it were not saying that then it's saying the game has scripting. Nothing the guide talks about is relevant here, IMO, it is an official guide, it's never going to offer anything other than a one-sided, biased argument on this particular topic.
And also with that logic, if the whole of Konami workforce all gathered around your front door and said in unison, "THE GAME HAS NO SCRIPTING! IT DOES NOT CHEAT!", and then they wrote that down on a piece of paper, signed it, and then framed it for you, you probably still wouldnt accept it. Cuz your arguement would be that they're only saying so cuz they cant admit the cheating.
You can only believe what you are told. If you're not gonna believe someone like that, then you're just extremely stubborn and not worth having conversations with...ever, even in person.
As for that quote that you dont believe you said:
You're obviously saying that everything is predetermined and the matches are chosen beforehand. And if even if thats not what you meant, that quote alone has so many flaws and creates holes in your arguement that I dont even need to explain it for you to understand.ClassicD said:It's not a question of reading someone's mind, it's coded into the fucking game that 'Match X' will be tough and 'Match Y' will be a breeze!
ClassicD said:As for no one finding anything on this scripting in the game data, tell me where they've found how the AI works, what style of play the AI uses, how a referee decides on whether to give a foul or play an advantage, etc? These things are hard-coded into the game, because some guys who know how to manipulate hex code in order to edit graphics can't find it doesn't mean it doesn't exist, that is an extremely silly thing to say.
ClassicD said:I've also explained many times it's not about losing. I have played games where I've not won but really enjoyed the match, and other games I've won but it's been like pulling teeth. So before you post that I'm nothing more than a bad loser, you ought to take a look at yourself before you accuse others of being 'ignorant' and "not reading" your posts properly.
ClassicD said:I said you were wrong because I'd read in an interview with Seabass that the AI compensates for it's limitedness on the ageing consoles by being cheap, and that was something they wanted to rectify for the next generation. You yourself have admitted the AI cheats, just not in the same way I believe it does. I still think you are wrong, but perhaps I was overly agressive in the way I stated that in the first place.