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H_G said:
Finally in game graphics.

What's your opinion based on the given footage?

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Looks graphically much better than the current match engine but still has the clunkyness of it.

TBH though I don't buy FM for the match engine.
 
In all honesty, after a two year break, I was expecting a lot more. The players are still essentially stick-men, and the foot-planting is still dreadful (so much skating).

Do I care if the player performances and results are realistic? No. It's a management game, so ultimately it's not important.

But I feel like a major graphical upgrade was the main benefit of switching to Unity (outside of being able to port it to more platforms more easily). If that's the biggest upgrade then... :ANX:
 
I think they did the same thing as Effotball 22. They programmed PES21 onto a new engine, but simply programmed all the animations onto the new engine.
The main goal was not to offer particularly beautiful graphics, but to switch to the engine that could be programmed (ports) most easily on all systems.
 
Which one is Salah ? Players' height difference doesn't seems to be obvious here

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I was expecting to see players collisions, a feint.. Perso. I don't need a big graphic improvement for a game such FM, but was waiting to see more fluid animation. There's not a single feint in the video, not even a fake shot.
 
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Normally here, a player should loose a little bit of balance after an attempted sliding tackle on him. Thing the player in the footage didn't.

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More screenshots here: FM Scout
 
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That’s a massive graphic upgrade from FM24 and a major improvement in a two-year span, I don’t understand how anyone doesn’t see it that way. Real Premier League stadiums, players having some depth and recognizability to them…this is a much stronger opener from SI than I was expecting.
 
Silverdome94 said:
[...] players having some depth and recognizability to them
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Do they? Players all have the same face, hair and height from what I've seen - the height bit being particularly frustrating, the line-ups look silly!

I'm not seeing much of a difference in their animations either but maybe I'm missing something?
 
Chris Davies said:
Do they? Players all have the same face, hair and height from what I've seen - the height bit being particularly frustrating, the line-ups look silly!

I'm not seeing much of a difference in their animations either but maybe I'm missing something?
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It might sound harsh but it really isn't a great improvement and actually shows more the weaknesses of their animations.

The slowing down in the trailer actually makes it worse since Football Managers Match Speed traditionally has hid some of their weaknesses.

The lighting is an upgrade but let's be honest stadiums still look poor, those player heads are really not great and it is not the graphical leap you would wish for.

In the end it won't matter if tactics make sense and you feel your strategy has an influence on what you see and outcomes

But I do actually think that this graphic update does more harm than good since it now shows way more their weak spots
 
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Taken from Reddit. C’mon, this isn’t even a comparison. The FM26 players are far more recognizably different from each other (from afar, which is all I care about). The shadows are a bit much, however.

I, admittedly, probably have lower expectations for what it should look like. FM with FIFA 03 graphics sounds good to me! 😅
 
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Taken from Reddit. C’mon, this isn’t even a comparison. The FM26 players are far more recognizably different from each other (from afar, which is all I care about). The shadows are a bit much, however.

I, admittedly, probably have lower expectations for what it should look like. FM with FIFA 03 graphics sounds good to me! 😅
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The problem is Fifa 03 player models looked better than these player models. The only thing that really has a major upgrade is the lighting which makes a major difference in the comparison picture. But the animations now really look weak and actually less realistic than before. And those player models now really look bad. Pause the video when the lineups are shown. I wouldn't call that a graphical update. Which is too bad. I don't expect the real faces of the players. But more details should be possible then what you see there.

Happy for everyone who likes this graphics update but I am actually disappointed
 
FCDallas_Fan said:
The in-game graphics look great and fluid, but the problem is, I only spend about 10% of my time watching matches. The other 90% is in spreadsheet simulator, so I'm going to hold my thoughts until I see that portion of the game.
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Exactly this - The game is 90% database and 10% watching the matches.
Loads of people even download the skin to get insta-results.

The game doesn't look great at the moment but it is their first year of development using a new engine.
I remember the 3D match engine the first couple of years when it was released was just awful and most people continued to use the 2D engine.

I would much rather they spent their time making sure the game has as many features as possible than making the game all about the match engine.

Also the game has to be 100% mod compatible from the start, FM to me is pretty unplayable without the license mod to fix all the team names and other issues.
There is also other mods important, the graphical mods - Others I use I can live without, as only started using when Chris Davies told me to start using them, but still add massively to the game.
 
bsmaff said:
Exactly this - The game is 90% database and 10% watching the matches
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That was in pre 2009.

How can you adjust a tactic based on database as major part !

The fact that you mentionned people downloading template for Insta results, make it by default a game where it's 50/50.

By watching matchs I don't mean graphics, I would prefer the FIFA PS2 graphics with cool and real match events.
 
It looks better. Congratulations.

I couldn't care less, but I would see it as rater worrying that it's that much in focus. From a commercial standpoint, it probably makes sense, but I am worried about the audience they could attract from focusing that much on graphics.

Don't get me wrong. It's fine. But a couple of years from now it could easily be the graphics in focus in stead of features. The "nerdy" thing about FM must not disappear...
 
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The in-game graphics look great and fluid, but the problem is, I only spend about 10% of my time watching matches. The other 90% is in spreadsheet simulator, so I'm going to hold my thoughts until I see that portion of the game.
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I hope they will finally fix AI Squad Management. It breaks my immersion seeing every team playing 30 years old players because they don't grow the young players. They should also fix how mental attributes and technical attributes not having enough influence for matches making tactics like gegenpressing overpowered.
 
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Topaz said:
I hope they will finally fix AI Squad Management. It breaks my immersion seeing every team playing 30 years old players because they don't grow the young players. They should also fix how mental attributes and technical attributes not having enough influence for matches making tactics like gegenpressing overpowered.
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I am one of those people that never saw the big fascination in Football Manager because of things exactly like this. I like the idea of the game but the game is much more shallow than people make out and the issues have been gradually getting worse with each iteration.

You essentially play as a leader of a 14 year old girl clique managing the emotions of the other teenage girls whilst on day 1 selecting the "meta tactic that works with any player". You can also cheat or be cheated by the AWFUL mechanic of selecting "Former Pro Player" when you start the game. If you pick anything other than "Former Pro Player", you are in for a very tough time.

So the game comes down to:
- Select Former Pro Player
- Select a team with high pace
- Select gegenpress with 4-3-3
- Win every game whilst constantly chatting to players to make them happy
- Get bored

What is very funny is my family and friends adore this game and I don't lol . I have really tried over the years but I dont see the entertainment in it when its glaring flaws are so obvious to see. My dad, whos almost 70 has played many long saves over various versions and loves it but he hasnt ruined himself by learning the idea of "meta tactics" and the knowledge that "high pace always works".

I am hoping that this new iteration that will likely be rewritten for C# Unity will have a lot of these things revisited and fixed.

On to the new graphics. They are a good step up and I am looking forward to see it for myself.

For those asking for moddability. Unity is known for being very highly moddable. The only way it wouldnt be is if the developer really tries hard to not make it moddable, its always online or it has some serious anti tampering or anti cheat.

/thanks for coming to my TED talk
 
Topaz said:
I hope they will finally fix AI Squad Management. It breaks my immersion seeing every team playing 30 years old players because they don't grow the young players. They should also fix how mental attributes and technical attributes not having enough influence for matches making tactics like gegenpressing overpowered.
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This has been my biggest issue with FM for years and why I never normally play more than 10 seasons.
When you get later in the game Man Utd would rather sign a 36 yo Vini Junior than a 21 year old wonder kid.

I think the game is written so that if a team has a certain reputation they will only sign players who have a certain world reputation that matches their club.

So normally the issue is when you get to season 4 with a top team you pretty much have most of the best wonder kids, as the AI just isn't interested in signing them.
When I am a decent team, I only ever sign players who my scouts list as 5 star potential.
 
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Chris Davies said:
Yeah, that tweet is based on this post on the SI Forums:

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Two years for a lick of paint feels horribly disappointing.
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This type of info should be written clearly on the statement of the new release.

So, is Unity used on FM 26 for a new UI and better graphics ?
 
H_G said:
This type of info should be written clearly on the statement of the new release.

So, is Unity used on FM 26 for a new UI and better graphics ?
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I agree. I am getting the impression they scrapped a lot of what they wanted to do and only using Unity as a 3D renderer now.
 
Paul-v said:
I agree. I am getting the impression they scrapped a lot of what they wanted to do and only using Unity as a 3D renderer now.
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It's just the beginning.maybe in 4-5 years things will get better.

They said last year that Unity will allow to easily correct problems in game via updates.
Besides, they target also consoles and mobiles, so the gameplay will be similar on the three. Thing I don't think they will achieve this year.

Now, I waiting to see how the gameplay of women matches is. Thing they are silent about it until now.
 
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