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MadoxX said:
An ugly scene from Macedonian league, a match between Pelister and Vardar. After conflict between the police and the fans, one of the fans loses his hand.
WARNING THIS VIDEO MAY BE DISTURBING!

ЦЕЛИОТ НАСТАН: Како навивачот на Вардар остана без својата рака (Вознемирувачко видео)
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I was been on this match:

Without the reason one blue pig from the (special forces) throw to use a shock grenade and our fan wanted to protect us from that shock grenade (He wanted to take the shock grenade and throw to the stadium pitch).
But he do that too late and the shock grenade explodes in his arms and that same shock grenade blew his arm and also some of the fans who was being near him they was heavy injured (i was one of them but now i'm fine and from that incident i have a few scratches)...

Stop to police brutality againts the ultras! 1.3.1.2.!
 
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Knoxville91 said:
I was been on this match:

Without the reason one blue pig from the (special forces) throw to use a shock grenade and our fan wanted to protect us from that shock grenade (He wanted to take the shock grenade and throw to the stadium pitch).
But he do that too late and the shock grenade explodes in his arms and that same shock grenade blew his arm and also some of the fans who was being near him they was heavy injured (i was one of them but now i'm fine and from that incident i have a few scratches)...

Stop to police brutality againts the ultras! 1.3.1.2.!
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mane that is shit, fuck the police, they always think they above everyone and can do what the fuck they want. football would be dead without fans like this and this how they get treated?
 
"the police" doesn't exist.
Police acts different form person to person, from country to country...
Isthis typical for Macedonia or it a (serious) mistake from one person...

When i was young i was Always very negative about 'cops'...since then i've learned that most policeman are doing a very good and very usefull job.

We see an horrible clip, but don't know what happened before it (or afterwards). A video clip like that is seldom the whole story...not saying that the people who posted this are lying (obviously not), but it's a litle bit easy to to fuck the police and state that they think they are above everyone and can dowhat they want...that isn't true in my country and i don't think it's true in Brittain either...
 
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Surely the Elite of the Netherlands. :LOL:

I absolutely agree with gerd in all aspects, I have some friends that are in "the police" and what they tell me about their jobs every weekend is hard to believe. Some guys seem to plan the whole week how to disturb other people's weekends or to cause the most riots. And this is what I witnessed in some situations as well. It's easy to run around screaming this infamous ACAB message, but in most cases they got their reason to be aggressive. If someone would try to harm me or my colleagues somehow, I'd also prefer to get him to meet my stick.
 
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S-NipE said:
Surely the Elite of the Netherlands. :LOL:

I absolutely agree with gerd in all aspects, I have some friends that are in "the police" and what they tell me about their jobs every weekend is hard to believe. Some guys seem to plan the whole week how to disturb other people's weekends or to cause the most riots. And this is what I witnessed in some situations as well. It's easy to run around screaming this infamous ACAB message, but in most cases they got their reason to be aggressive. If someone would try to harm me or my colleagues somehow, I'd also prefer to get him to meet my stick.
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S-NipE said:
Surely the Elite of the Netherlands. :LOL:

I absolutely agree with gerd in all aspects, I have some friends that are in "the police" and what they tell me about their jobs every weekend is hard to believe. Some guys seem to plan the whole week how to disturb other people's weekends or to cause the most riots. And this is what I witnessed in some situations as well. It's easy to run around screaming this infamous ACAB message, but in most cases they got their reason to be aggressive. If someone would try to harm me or my colleagues somehow, I'd also prefer to get him to meet my stick.
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these fans were supporting their team and get grenade launched at them from police and you guys defend that? dude aint got a hand anymore ffs, you just agree with everything they do cos they got a shiny badge? and you got some friends who are them, so ofc you gonna agree with what they tell you, and tbh i think it the other way, the police plan on how they can fuck people at the weekend, i aint never seen a police who aint a cunt, they put there uniform on and there fuckin hat thinkin they the shit, ain i aint just tlalkin shit on the internet cos i can talk shit o the intenrent.:TU:
 
I did not see the video, but those that weren't there can't say, if there wasn't something before that may have provoked the grenade. I'm not defending the police, I just think that a short sequenced video can never show the full truth. And I don't agree with everything they do, but in the absolute majority of the time they do their job correctly, at least here in Germany. Why should they try to "fuck people at the weekend"? Always question "Who would make profit with this or that action?" and you'll get answers. The policemen and women surely would be happier to have calm weekends, there's no apparent reason why it should be the way you just wrote here. ;)
 
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S-NipE said:
I did not see the video, but those that weren't there can't say, if there wasn't something before that may have provoked the grenade. I'm not defending the police, I just think that a short sequenced video can never show the full truth. And I don't agree with everything they do, but in the absolute majority of the time they do their job correctly, at least here in Germany. Why should they try to "fuck people at the weekend"? Always question "Who would make profit with this or that action?" and you'll get answers. The policemen and women surely would be happier to have calm weekends, there's no apparent reason why it should be the way you just wrote here. ;)
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You are simply don't understand what hapend in that place and you also don't understand what happening in my country and you don't know some things, How those pigs treat us i speak for the ultras... Аnd please don't write nothing about this because you don't know nothing about all this and plus you never seen something like that in your life i was been the are and i was injureded and simply we don't do it nothing, We don't provoke no one and we supported our loved FK Vardar in peaceful atmosphere like always and we don't do nothing to provoke them to throw to us a shock grenades who whe are not allowed for that place also they throw to us a more powerfull grenade then it's should be throwed for such a place they needed to throw a smoke grenade not a shock grenade with a maxium power, They needed to thorow a smoke grenade with minimum power... But the pigs hate us they want to destroy us that's the main problem some ''big fishes'' in our country pay them a money they ''big fishes'' want to destroy us because our ideology it's patriotic and clear and pure but someone don't like that :) plus the police it's so much corrupted.

And please don't defend the pigs in the blue! :) A.C.A.B!
 
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Dazzlà said:
these fans were supporting their team and get grenade launched at them from police and you guys defend that? dude aint got a hand anymore ffs, you just agree with everything they do cos they got a shiny badge? and you got some friends who are them, so ofc you gonna agree with what they tell you, and tbh i think it the other way, the police plan on how they can fuck people at the weekend, i aint never seen a police who aint a cunt, they put there uniform on and there fuckin hat thinkin they the shit, ain i aint just tlalkin shit on the internet cos i can talk shit o the intenrent.:TU:
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He never defended those cops from that video.
He just agreed with my reaction.
And what was my reaction about ?

Well those cops act like that because they see all football fans as scum, a generalisation.

Your reaction: you do the same, you talk about "the police" as a reaction upon one single incident. Also a generalisation.

PS: i never watched that video...there is enough horror on the news every day...
 
gerd said:
We see an horrible clip, but don't know what happened before it (or afterwards). A video clip like that is seldom the whole story...not saying that the people who posted this are lying (obviously not)
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gerd said:
PS: i never watched that video...there is enough horror on the news every day...
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which is it?:FAIL:
i have the same opinion before this incident and the same after and also the same 10 years ago, so don't be talking shit about generalisation..

Knoxville91 said:
You are simply don't understand what hapend in that place and you also don't understand what happening in my country and you don't know some things, How those pigs treat us i speak for the ultras... Аnd please don't write nothing about this because you don't know nothing about all this and plus you never seen something like that in your life i was been the are and i was injureded and simply we don't do it nothing, We don't provoke no one and we supported our loved FK Vardar in peaceful atmosphere like always and we don't do nothing to provoke them to throw to us a shock grenades who whe are not allowed for that place also they throw to us a more powerfull grenade then it's should be throwed for such a place they needed to throw a smoke grenade not a shock grenade with a maxium power, They needed to thorow a smoke grenade with minimum power... But the pigs hate us they want to destroy us that's the main problem some ''big fishes'' in our country pay them a money they ''big fishes'' want to destroy us because our ideology it's patriotic and clear and pure but someone don't like that :) plus the police it's so much corrupted.

And please don't defend the pigs in the blue! :) A.C.A.B!
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yo i hope the cunt who threw grenade is punished, but he probably won't be cos the police can literally get away with murder.
 
Don't countries have lawyers lol . If my hand blew in pieces today by tomorrow I'll have 2k lawyers n media following me today. I'll be Rich! There's more lawyers then thieves.
 
LOL.

Both obviously. If you don't see that...

"We see an horrible clip" doesn't mean i've seen it...what i was talking was in general...we believe to know the truth because we have seen a film clip. That isn't true at all...

I didn't need to see that particular clip to write that...not having seen that clip, i can doubt about the relevancy because we don't know what happened before that...maybe the guy who lost his hand, murdered a kid 2 minutes before that (and before you react, yes, i'm deliberately exagerating grossly).



And the fact that you have the same opinion for 10 year, says it all...you are not prepared to change your opinion, perhaps not generalisation but prejudice...

Take your last sentence in the above post.

"yo i hope the cunt who threw the grenade is punished": completely agree, although i wouldn't have written it ghetto style...

"but he probably won't": speculation, but why not.


"be cos the police can literally get away with murder" : whoa...

"the police": everywhere and always ? Only in Macedonia (which would make you a racist, lol) or everywhere (which would make you prejudiced). Or in Brittain ?

Do you have any proof of that ? That is a very, very strong statement...i don't believe that at all.

Sometimes, in some situations, the police might get away with murder, but far from always like you imply.

Like i already said, year ago i didn't like the cops at all... since then i've seen what goodpolice work can do. I've seen police men that acted like social service people...and lots of them...

Always ? Don't think so.

PS:i hope you see that this is all a tongue in cheek.
 
You can have an argument in abstract about police interaction with football fans, but in that case some policeman threw a smoke grenade directly to a crowded place. Tones of people were injured with the explosion and one brave guy (or maybe unaware of the risks) lost his hand trying to remove the grenade before it exploded. There's no justification for that, and the policeman should be criminal or disciplinarily prosecuted for that action.
Even if those were hooligans that were threatening the police, there’s absolute no justification for that. They could achieve the same result by throwing the grenade a few meters below, preventing such damaging outcome. There’s no room for discussion on this.

@bebo This is not 'Murica (:)), but I reckon that he will probably sue the state, since he has a strong case. Doubt that he would become rich, though.
 
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@bebo This is not 'Murica (:)), but I reckon that he will probably sue the state, since he has a strong case. Doubt that he would become rich, though.
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(2) illegals got shot by a border patrol on horseback lol in the arse! they sued the border patrol and WON! :LOL: border patrol is in jail and fired from the job. So in America it could help or hurt you..is this murica supposedly be offensive? I didnt get the FYI yet.

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'Murica was only meant to be funny. Is a term widely used in the internet to descrive something "typical" stereotypical american, in this case extreme litigation and weird legal cases (like you tha one you mentioned :)).
 
I completely agree -again- with Gerd's post, there's nothing else to say, except for one thing: @Knoxville91, maybe you somehow got this mentality because of friends or groups or whatever, but you can't deny that there is a special tone in your messages that is strictly against any police action. You're right, I don't know how the situation was at this match nor how it's in general in your country, but again: Simply ask "Why would someone do something?" and you'll always get your answer. Even in countries like North Korea or Iraq police officers throw grenades into the crowd at a sports event for no reason. MAYBE you just didn't notice everything.
 
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