Football Betting Online
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denirobob
IBERIAN PRIMERA
- 28 June 2002
hello SB,
youve probably forgotten more than i'll ever know mate....
To be honest is no longer easy with a Mrs Denirobob as it was when i was younger.
My most recent win was on Italy to win the World Cup, £5 @ 8/1 and before then I have also won with Panathanikos to win their CL group £5 @ 10/1 some years ago. My biggest ever win though was on Chris Jericho to be WWF champion over christmas 2002. I had £10 on that at a corking 25/1
a prime example of the bookies offering odds on a subject they knew nothing about.Last year I backed Sporting at good odds to come thru their CL group although Bayern & Inter just proved too strong.
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The two bets I have on at present this season are as follows..
£3 Bolton to get relegated @ 7/1
£2.50 each way Lens to win Ligue 1 @ 25/1 (1/3 odds to finish 1st or 2nd)
and i'm still debating with myself whether an e/w on Dean ashton to finish top scorer @ 66/1 is worth a few shekels
Obvioulsy value is in the eye of the beholder, so I'm happy to go into details on the reasoning behind either bet if anyones interested. I will almost certainly have a small wager on the CL groups too, generally an underrated team and various singles during the year.
db
steevio_uk
Premier League
- 7 October 2003
- West Ham
and i'm still debating with myself whether an e/w on Dean ashton to finish top scorer @ 66/1 is worth a few shekels
Go for it mate.
I'm as excited as I have ever been for a West Ham player as what I am awaiting Ashton's return this season.
Put on a fiver e/w and if you get the e/w as top 4, you could be looking at a nice £25 or so if he places, about £60 if he wins. (Sound right to you?)
I've certainly seen worse bets.
I see many people also backing Bolton to struggle and 7/1 could be a good price, though may be worth waiting to see if they make a good start and you could get them at 10s or 12s.
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PLF
Legend
- 2 August 2004
@SB, I'd do the two on the outsides (faaaaaar left and faaaaar right.)................................................... first. 
:mrgreen:
Yeh, at first I was confused about the whole 'lay' thing but after a while I got it. Basically we act as the bookie in that case.
By the way, it's now clear to me then that @ betfair, you're bidding against other people. So it's sorta like an exchange platform for people to bet with each other by backing or laying. Works in a way like e-bay I guess where you're not buying or selling from or to ebay but to others who use the service.
I assume, most other betting websites are real bookies however and don't work in a system like this.
What are your thoughts on it then? Is it better to go with something like this? Or a real bookie?
Obviously in a system like this (betfair), you have some advantages like being able to act like a bookie when you want and also determine the odds you want to bet (and generally get better odds probably therefore) IF somebody is willing to take you up on it and agree/match it but there must be some disadvantages to this system compared to something like 'skybet' as well, isn't there? :-k
:mrgreen:
Wouldn't you get full odds if they were to finish 1st, DB? :-s
I thought the 1/3 odd thing would only be if they finished 2nd and you'd get 25/1 if they were to actually become champs.
By the way, I suppose there is no way to bet on them finishing 2nd or 3rd? Rather than 2nd and first? Because I very much doubt we'll have a new champion in France this season but 2nd or 3rd could become a reality for Lens and the squad of players they have compiled and with the new legendary manager, Guy Roux.
As for Bolton getting relegated, I've thought about it too. Not sure if they will get relegated but they won't be as high as they were in the previous years most likely with Fat Sam not in charge anymore (hence no more over-achievement :p ) and so many of the other mid-table clubs having invested in higher quality players that Bolton don't have the services of and don't look like acquiring either.
I can see them finishing a disappoting 15th or so. Not sure if they'd get relegated but it could be a good bet.
Although not fully proven at Premier league level (Only a brief spell with Norwich and West Ham at the top division so far for him and both unfortunately ruined by injuries), I certainly like and rate the guy as well. I think he has the quality to possibly make this a good bet but if he is to have injury problems again this season like he's had recently, it's gonna be very difficult since there are strikers playing in EPL now who are not only as good as him or better but more fit and less injury prone. So they're likely to get more games and minutes and as a result, score more.
But hopefully, this season, he'll stay injury free and get to finally show his potential on a consistent basis and over a long-term not just a short spell. I think at those odds, it's another good bet and like Stevo said, I've certainly seen much worse.
You guys gotta clearly explain how the 'e/w' thing exactly works though. I'm not sure I'm fully getting it right now. :|
True but then they could also have a bad start and then everybody would jump on the bandwagon that they're destined to go down this year without Big Sam and stop progressing and you'd get worse odds than 7/1.
By the way, what's the deadline for betting on things like relegation then? :-s
If you can do it even after season starts, when would you not be able to anymore?
:mrgreen:Betfair is massive
as for laying there is money to be won in laying a team to lose but more outlay if they dont because you are the bookie when laying
Yeh, at first I was confused about the whole 'lay' thing but after a while I got it. Basically we act as the bookie in that case.
By the way, it's now clear to me then that @ betfair, you're bidding against other people. So it's sorta like an exchange platform for people to bet with each other by backing or laying. Works in a way like e-bay I guess where you're not buying or selling from or to ebay but to others who use the service.
I assume, most other betting websites are real bookies however and don't work in a system like this.
What are your thoughts on it then? Is it better to go with something like this? Or a real bookie?
Obviously in a system like this (betfair), you have some advantages like being able to act like a bookie when you want and also determine the odds you want to bet (and generally get better odds probably therefore) IF somebody is willing to take you up on it and agree/match it but there must be some disadvantages to this system compared to something like 'skybet' as well, isn't there? :-k
My biggest ever win though was on Chris Jericho to be WWF champion over christmas 2002. I had £10 on that at a corking 25/1
:mrgreen:
Wouldn't you get full odds if they were to finish 1st, DB? :-s
I thought the 1/3 odd thing would only be if they finished 2nd and you'd get 25/1 if they were to actually become champs.
By the way, I suppose there is no way to bet on them finishing 2nd or 3rd? Rather than 2nd and first? Because I very much doubt we'll have a new champion in France this season but 2nd or 3rd could become a reality for Lens and the squad of players they have compiled and with the new legendary manager, Guy Roux.
As for Bolton getting relegated, I've thought about it too. Not sure if they will get relegated but they won't be as high as they were in the previous years most likely with Fat Sam not in charge anymore (hence no more over-achievement :p ) and so many of the other mid-table clubs having invested in higher quality players that Bolton don't have the services of and don't look like acquiring either.
I can see them finishing a disappoting 15th or so. Not sure if they'd get relegated but it could be a good bet.
and i'm still debating with myself whether an e/w on Dean ashton to finish top scorer @ 66/1 is worth a few shekels
Obvioulsy value is in the eye of the beholder, so I'm happy to go into details on the reasoning behind either bet if anyones interested. I will almost certainly have a small wager on the CL groups too, generally an underrated team and various singles during the year.
db
Although not fully proven at Premier league level (Only a brief spell with Norwich and West Ham at the top division so far for him and both unfortunately ruined by injuries), I certainly like and rate the guy as well. I think he has the quality to possibly make this a good bet but if he is to have injury problems again this season like he's had recently, it's gonna be very difficult since there are strikers playing in EPL now who are not only as good as him or better but more fit and less injury prone. So they're likely to get more games and minutes and as a result, score more.
But hopefully, this season, he'll stay injury free and get to finally show his potential on a consistent basis and over a long-term not just a short spell. I think at those odds, it's another good bet and like Stevo said, I've certainly seen much worse.
You guys gotta clearly explain how the 'e/w' thing exactly works though. I'm not sure I'm fully getting it right now. :|
True but then they could also have a bad start and then everybody would jump on the bandwagon that they're destined to go down this year without Big Sam and stop progressing and you'd get worse odds than 7/1.
By the way, what's the deadline for betting on things like relegation then? :-s
If you can do it even after season starts, when would you not be able to anymore?
denirobob
IBERIAN PRIMERA
- 28 June 2002
Go for it mate.
I'm as excited as I have ever been for a West Ham player as what I am awaiting Ashton's return this season.
Put on a fiver e/w and if you get the e/w as top 4, you could be looking at a nice £25 or so if he places, about £60 if he wins. (Sound right to you?)
I've certainly seen worse bets.
Hi steevio,
I was wondering as a hammers fan could u tell me who will be taking your pens this yr ? (reo Cocker last wasnt it?) as this i a big factor to consider. Johson at everton for instance would prob bag 3-4 more goals if it wasnt for Arteta
The fundamental points i have been looking for in this bet:
- the big 4 operate a rotation policy (bar Drogba, Ronaldo - so who will def start and be guranteed 30+ games)
- the bookies overate big name players & vice versa
- I have always been a fan of the bigman-small man combo (Ashton & Bellamy)
- Historically players from outside top clubs do feature fairly highly in this market (Darren Bent being a prime example)
@ 66/1 a fiver e/w (so £10 in total) would return the following..
if he finishes 2nd, 3rd or 4th = £77.50 profit + stake
if he finishes 1st = £412 profit + stake
http://www.bettingzone.co.uk/calculator/
http://www.oddschecker.com/football/english/barclays-premiership/top-goalscorer
cheers
DB
ps - he scored a great goal against Orient the other day didnt he
denirobob
IBERIAN PRIMERA
- 28 June 2002
Hi PLF,
sorry mate this is the breakdown for those bets...
Bolton - £3 @ 7/1 = £21 profit + stake
Lens - £2.50 e/w @ 25/1 = £18.33 + stake for coming 2nd
or
= £83.33 + stake for coming 1st
Essentially whatever stake u wanted to place say $10 has to be doubled ($20) for an each way bet
e.g. $10 goes on the win part of the bet (finishing 1st) and the other $10 goes on the place part of the bet (finishing 2nd, 3rd or 4th)
clear as mud eh
db
sorry mate this is the breakdown for those bets...
Bolton - £3 @ 7/1 = £21 profit + stake
Lens - £2.50 e/w @ 25/1 = £18.33 + stake for coming 2nd
or
= £83.33 + stake for coming 1st
Essentially whatever stake u wanted to place say $10 has to be doubled ($20) for an each way bet
e.g. $10 goes on the win part of the bet (finishing 1st) and the other $10 goes on the place part of the bet (finishing 2nd, 3rd or 4th)
clear as mud eh
db
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LORDC007
League 2
- 4 February 2004
i always put money on man utd to be getting beat at half time and win full time you usually get from 22/1 to 33/1 and it came in loads last season so was quids in
steevio_uk
Premier League
- 7 October 2003
- West Ham
db: I made a mistake and was actually referring to £2.50 each way as a total £5 bet.... but I still cocked up the calculations anyway!!
I still think it is a decent bet so whatever you can manage.
Penalties.
Well if Tevez stays, he takes them... simple.
But seeing as that is highly unlikely, then you probably have to look at either Bellamy or Neill.
Though Neill missed one for Australia the other day and Bellamy missed one for us in a friendly too :roll::lol:
To be honest, we don't get many penalties, but with players like Bellamy up front and Ljungberg getting into the area, there may be a few more coming our way.
I'd say we will give them to Bellamy, but then we may sign Gudjohnsen
I don't think it will make that much difference to Ashton's total anyway mate.
I may have a bet on Spurs to qualify for the Champions League as I think maybe Arsenal or Liverpool may have problems and Spurs squad is looking good this year.
(Can anyone find decent odds on a Spurs CL place? Ta.)
Good tip, that.
I still think it is a decent bet so whatever you can manage.
Penalties.
Well if Tevez stays, he takes them... simple.
But seeing as that is highly unlikely, then you probably have to look at either Bellamy or Neill.
Though Neill missed one for Australia the other day and Bellamy missed one for us in a friendly too :roll::lol:
To be honest, we don't get many penalties, but with players like Bellamy up front and Ljungberg getting into the area, there may be a few more coming our way.
I'd say we will give them to Bellamy, but then we may sign Gudjohnsen
I don't think it will make that much difference to Ashton's total anyway mate.
I may have a bet on Spurs to qualify for the Champions League as I think maybe Arsenal or Liverpool may have problems and Spurs squad is looking good this year.
(Can anyone find decent odds on a Spurs CL place? Ta.)
Good tip, that.
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- #39
PLF
Legend
- 2 August 2004
Tottenham for a CL place is a good bet I think.
I'd be interested in knowing the best odds for that as well.
How about my question above by the way Steve?
What's the deadline then for predicting things like relegation or this CL finish spot? We can do it even after season starts? But until when?
I get the Bolton bet because it's just simply (3x7) = 21 in profit + stake.
But wouldn't 2.50 x 25 be 62.5?
I don't know how you get the £83.33 if they finish first and we have bet on them to finish first or the "£18.33 + stake for coming 2nd" if I'm to be honest. :oops:
It's probably very simple but for some reason, I'm being very slow in understanding it! :p
So if you could provide the 'mathematical' calculations as to how you got those 2 'profit numbers' for Lens, it'd be great.
EDIT:
Good tip.
Although sometimes, they're drawing at HT and go on to win.
Anyway, I'm wondering, just as an estimate, do you have any idea, how much you picked up thanks to this technique of yours, last season? Just a rough guess would do.
I'd be interested in knowing the best odds for that as well.
How about my question above by the way Steve?
What's the deadline then for predicting things like relegation or this CL finish spot? We can do it even after season starts? But until when?
I get the Bolton bet because it's just simply (3x7) = 21 in profit + stake.
But wouldn't 2.50 x 25 be 62.5?
I don't know how you get the £83.33 if they finish first and we have bet on them to finish first or the "£18.33 + stake for coming 2nd" if I'm to be honest. :oops:
It's probably very simple but for some reason, I'm being very slow in understanding it! :p
So if you could provide the 'mathematical' calculations as to how you got those 2 'profit numbers' for Lens, it'd be great.
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LORDC007 said:
Good tip.
Although sometimes, they're drawing at HT and go on to win.
Anyway, I'm wondering, just as an estimate, do you have any idea, how much you picked up thanks to this technique of yours, last season? Just a rough guess would do.
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denirobob
IBERIAN PRIMERA
- 28 June 2002
denirobob
IBERIAN PRIMERA
- 28 June 2002
hello mate
Of course no problem. Well essentially the first thing i should of explained was that if Lens won Ligue 1 you'd get not only the winning part of the bet but the each-way part too.
So...
you have £2.50 on for Lens to win Ligue 1 @ 25/1 = £62.50 + original £2.50 stake
you have £2.50 on for Lens to get at least 2nd place (e.g. the each-way part) in Ligue 1 @ 25/1 at 1/3 the original odds so @ 8.25/1 = £18.33 + original £2.50 stake
therefore if Lens triumph and hold aloft Le championnat come May, then you win both parts of the bet...
£62.50 + £18.33 + £5.00 stake = mucho wonga
hope that explains. tomorrow i think we should talk about spread betting.
db
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- #42
PLF
Legend
- 2 August 2004
I see. Thanks.
The "At least" part makes things much more clear.
The bolded part doesn't match with my calucation however. On my calculator at least, 2.5 x 8.25 (8.3333 is 1/3rd of 25 by the way) gives 20.625. So I assumed that would be the profit if they were to come 2nd plus the original stake of (2.50) of course.
Not exactly sure where you got the 18.33 then to be honest.
therefore if Lens triumph and hold aloft Le championnat come May, then you win both parts of the bet...
£62.50 + £18.33 + £5.00 stake = mucho wonga
:8):
Quite unlikely but who knows.... If they can keep pace with OL until the last couple months and OL finally plays up to the squad's potential in Europe this year (who knows without Houllier that is a possibility :p ) and goes further than Q-finals and all the way perhaps, then maybe, they can manage to screw up a bit in league in those last few weeks due to injuries, fatigue, etc. and that could give Lens or another one of the chasing pack who is close enough, just enough room to give us a new French champion.
That's an unlikely scenario but a possibility nonetheless.
Sounds good to me because as you can probably guess, I have no idea what that is either! :mrgreen: :oops:
By the way, you haven't answered one of my more important questions yet, Simon.
Is it possible to bet on Lens to finish 2nd or 3rd rather than 1st or 2nd?
denirobob
IBERIAN PRIMERA
- 28 June 2002
hi mate
nope afraid not, well at least not from the range of bookmakers available in this country.
there might be a market available with a French bookmaker though I suppose, if such a thing exists which i assume it must.
Youre right about the amounts, it doesn't quite add up does it. I was using the bet calculator device - http://www.bettingzone.co.uk/calculator/
It would appear that the bookies round down such fractions then, unless that calculator thing isnt right. hmm
just tried the ladbrokes one too- http://www.ladbrokes.com/betCalculator/betCalc.html
and comes out at 23.33 for the each-way part (including the £5 stake)
Im officially confused :shock:
db
nope afraid not, well at least not from the range of bookmakers available in this country.
there might be a market available with a French bookmaker though I suppose, if such a thing exists which i assume it must.
Youre right about the amounts, it doesn't quite add up does it. I was using the bet calculator device - http://www.bettingzone.co.uk/calculator/
It would appear that the bookies round down such fractions then, unless that calculator thing isnt right. hmm
just tried the ladbrokes one too- http://www.ladbrokes.com/betCalculator/betCalc.html
and comes out at 23.33 for the each-way part (including the £5 stake)
Im officially confused :shock:
db
don't bother with online betting as i live 100 yards from a bookies, done 10 homes today
everton v wigan @ 8/13
charlton v scunthorpe @ 1/2
leicester v blackpool @ 4/6
sheffield utd v colchester @ 4/7
bradford v macclesfield @ 4/6
brentford v mansfield @ 8/11
rangers v st mirren @ 1/7
dundee v queen of south @ 8/13
dunfermline v morton @ 8/13
arsenal v fulham @ 2/7
£5 stake returns £350.25 inc stake
don't normally like betting for the first few weeks of the season as i like to see a bit of form first so just a bit of fun for today, i'm working 2 til 10 today so i'll be checking the tv in the canteen all afternoon
everton v wigan @ 8/13
charlton v scunthorpe @ 1/2
leicester v blackpool @ 4/6
sheffield utd v colchester @ 4/7
bradford v macclesfield @ 4/6
brentford v mansfield @ 8/11
rangers v st mirren @ 1/7
dundee v queen of south @ 8/13
dunfermline v morton @ 8/13
arsenal v fulham @ 2/7
£5 stake returns £350.25 inc stake
don't normally like betting for the first few weeks of the season as i like to see a bit of form first so just a bit of fun for today, i'm working 2 til 10 today so i'll be checking the tv in the canteen all afternoon
steevio_uk
Premier League
- 7 October 2003
- West Ham
Put a fiver on tonights games:
Gone for £3 accumulator on:
Arsenal @ 1/6
Man. Utd @ 8/13
PSV Eindhoven @ 4/6
Roma @ 2/5
VfB Stuttgart v Lyon - Draw @ 11/5
Returns £42.22
Also put 40p on 4 folds (5 lines)
Max return is £17.49 which I hope a couple of lines come in to return my stake at least.
Overall return if all 5 come in is £59.71
Gone for £3 accumulator on:
Arsenal @ 1/6
Man. Utd @ 8/13
PSV Eindhoven @ 4/6
Roma @ 2/5
VfB Stuttgart v Lyon - Draw @ 11/5
Returns £42.22
Also put 40p on 4 folds (5 lines)
Max return is £17.49 which I hope a couple of lines come in to return my stake at least.
Overall return if all 5 come in is £59.71
And this beckons the fall of 'PLF'
He'll sell his knowledge for the sake of making that big bet only to be left sleeping on a park bench muttering to passer byes of his glorious past & potential saviour of Konami .....
:shock:
Betfair is a good one, you can actually bet against other members, similar to betting my mate that Manu will beat the pool on sunday with Saha bagging a goal. Handy €50.
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foxtrot
Shoe bomber
Anyone still bet online? Started using paddypower.com and have been putting on accumulators the last week or so. Haven't won yet though.
Tonights coupon is:
FC Aarau v Neuchatel Xamax
FC Aarau @ 5 - 6
Gais Gothenborg v IFK Gothenborg
IFK Gothenborg @ 4 - 5
1860 Munich v SV Wehen
1860 Munich @ 5 - 6
Weston Super Mare v Maidenhead
Weston Super Mare @ evens
Rushden & Diamonds v Torquay
Torquay @ 5 - 4
Droylsden v Ebbsfleet
Ebbsfleet @ 10 - 11
Everton v Chelsea
Chelsea @ evens
Fluminense v LDU Quito
Fluminense @ 4 - 11
Stake: £2.00
Potential Returns: £283.50
Tonights coupon is:
FC Aarau v Neuchatel Xamax
FC Aarau @ 5 - 6
Gais Gothenborg v IFK Gothenborg
IFK Gothenborg @ 4 - 5
1860 Munich v SV Wehen
1860 Munich @ 5 - 6
Weston Super Mare v Maidenhead
Weston Super Mare @ evens
Rushden & Diamonds v Torquay
Torquay @ 5 - 4
Droylsden v Ebbsfleet
Ebbsfleet @ 10 - 11
Everton v Chelsea
Chelsea @ evens
Fluminense v LDU Quito
Fluminense @ 4 - 11
Stake: £2.00
Potential Returns: £283.50