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I think Bale could bring something never seen before at Barca...Strength n Long Shots! Bale on the wings would take 3 players while Messi would be cherry picking at the goal mouth.

The reality is Neymar is a lot cheaper! very good dribbler,diver and extremely weak ,but his speed should make him lethal enough.
 
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Barcelona needs someone who can play in the wing and dribble or cut inside, someone with excellent skill and speed, able to add goals and assists to the team and able to draw defenders attention off of Messi.

Now, Neymar may or may not work, but he suits all those needs to perfection. I doubt there's anyone out there that offers all this with the potential that Neymar does,

I'm late to the party of the "end of cycle", I agree a bit with everybody, because it's obvious we brought the possession paradigm too far and some of our key players were exhausted. There are multiple reasons why we lost to Bayern that way: injuries, illness of Tito, critical low form of key players at the wrong moment of the season, etc... I think any club with all those problems would have lost to the best team by far this season.

The most (and only) worrying things are knowing if Tito is really prepared to fix it, healthy to do so, and change our paradigm of play to secure deffense again and widen our ways of attacking.

If most of it is done, we will be favorites again to win it all. Now we need at least one defender, a striker, a goalkeeper and a physical midfielder.... With all this we may end a cycle and start a new one in one month...
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And i have to disagree with you towards there is another player who offers all the required skills.: Bale ! EDIT: Agree with bebo. I think Bale is proably more expensive than Neymar

I think we have a striker with Neymar and in the midfield we do have busquets and song. So we need someone who can replace puyol and a good goalkepper, preferably a german one :))
 
I disagree on Bale. I mean, I would LOVE to have him on my team, and I love the qualities he has, but he is not as good as Neymar against very closed defenses.

Bale is used to play in the Premier, where there are a lot more spaces than in La Liga. And specifically in the barça style, your opponents will have 10 men in front of you. Against those packed walls, I value Neymar skills higher than Bale skills.

Not that I don't value Bale, as I said if I had to sign another offensive player after Neymar I would pick him over any other. Bale has power, strength and speed, but I doubt he has the same creativity as Neymar to break defenders from the wing in static attacks. That's why I think Barcelona needed Neymar desperately, as Pedro and Alexis have been underachieving in the wings, as well as Villa. We need a lot of dribble there, that's why Tito ended up putting Alves as winger leaving the defense totally exposed.

Cruyff may say what he wants, he won all the things he won as coach with SEVERAL captains in the ship, and when he decided that the system was everything and he could get rid of the captains guess what happened: the system imploded. I respect and admire Cruyff but I don't agree on this, specially because we can't depend on a single player.

Gerd, where's that player from and which skills does he have? Is Barcleona interested in him for the Youth team?
 
Januzaj was born in Brussels but his parents both came from Kosovo.
He started to play for FC Brussels, but then want to Anderlecht.
When he was 15 years old Anderlecht wanted to give him a professional contract but then came Man Utd who persuaded Januzaj's parents by giving him a huge contract and giving them a house in Manchester.
Januzaj played in our national youth team. The team of his age is here in Belgium seen as a wonder team. Currently all the players (except one who plays for Genk) of that team play for foreign clubs like Man Utd, Man City, Sporting Club Lisboa,... The same people who recognized the talent of Hazard at a very young age, are raving about this team...according to them 5 players of that team are more talented than Hazard.
Januzaj is considered the best of that team. He currently plays for United as either a winger or a play maker and Ferguson considered him as United's best young player...that's about all i know of him.

Mind you i never saw him play..i've seen a few clips from that national youth team, they looked great but i never knew which player was which.
 
drekkard said:
I disagree on Bale. I mean, I would LOVE to have him on my team, and I love the qualities he has, but he is not as good as Neymar against very closed defenses.

Bale is used to play in the Premier, where there are a lot more spaces than in La Liga. And specifically in the barça style, your opponents will have 10 men in front of you. Against those packed walls, I value Neymar skills higher than Bale skills.

Not that I don't value Bale, as I said if I had to sign another offensive player after Neymar I would pick him over any other. Bale has power, strength and speed, but I doubt he has the same creativity as Neymar to break defenders from the wing in static attacks. That's why I think Barcelona needed Neymar desperately, as Pedro and Alexis have been underachieving in the wings, as well as Villa. We need a lot of dribble there, that's why Tito ended up putting Alves as winger leaving the defense totally exposed.

Cruyff may say what he wants, he won all the things he won as coach with SEVERAL captains in the ship, and when he decided that the system was everything and he could get rid of the captains guess what happened: the system imploded. I respect and admire Cruyff but I don't agree on this, specially because we can't depend on a single player.

Gerd, where's that player from and which skills does he have? Is Barcleona interested in him for the Youth team?
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He may turn out to be better than what you already have, tho that's far from certain atm, but it is more of the same, another player crowding the area

If creating space is the issue then Bale would have been better. His long range shots can obviously bypass the area - and fly into the top corner - but the threat of him scoring from distance would have pulled some of the oppositions defenders out of the box giving more space for the dwarves.

Of course, we're talking double the price, but then Naymar is unproven at this level
 
drekkard said:
I disagree on Bale. I mean, I would LOVE to have him on my team, and I love the qualities he has, but he is not as good as Neymar against very closed defenses.

Bale is used to play in the Premier, where there are a lot more spaces than in La Liga. And specifically in the barça style, your opponents will have 10 men in front of you. Against those packed walls, I value Neymar skills higher than Bale skills.

Not that I don't value Bale, as I said if I had to sign another offensive player after Neymar I would pick him over any other. Bale has power, strength and speed, but I doubt he has the same creativity as Neymar to break defenders from the wing in static attacks. That's why I think Barcelona needed Neymar desperately, as Pedro and Alexis have been underachieving in the wings, as well as Villa. We need a lot of dribble there, that's why Tito ended up putting Alves as winger leaving the defense totally exposed.

Cruyff may say what he wants, he won all the things he won as coach with SEVERAL captains in the ship, and when he decided that the system was everything and he could get rid of the captains guess what happened: the system imploded. I respect and admire Cruyff but I don't agree on this, specially because we can't depend on a single player.

Gerd, where's that player from and which skills does he have? Is Barcleona interested in him for the Youth team?
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To my mind its good to have a speedrunner :D I think you're right but for the creativity we have iniesta and especially Xavi or Thiago if they let him play ... The thing is he is a different typ of player and it can be something thats missing in this team but of course it can go wrong like Ibra. I guess bale is going to real anyway
 
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Alexis Sanchez, Alba, Fabregas and Mascherano are the examples of huge improvement in acting ever since they went to Barça. He might do a "David Villa" as well and maintain his current level.
 
There's people who clearly never watched Alba play at Valencia or Alexis at Udinese... Keep up your personal crusade, dude.
 
David Villa is still coming back from a very serious injury...
Think only about his goal in the CL final...
 
Neymar would now cost 75 million

Any doubts about the profitability of signing Neymar appear to have been cast aside just one month after the player was officially unveiled at Barcelona. His sublime performance in the Confederations Cup alone has raised his value and made his €57 million transfer fee seem like a bargain.

MARCA contacted FIFA agents, who are experts in international football, in order to get first-hand information on Neymar's transfer fee value. Those asked all coincided with the fact that it would now be practically impossible for Barcelona to agree the same fee with Santos.

José María Minguella, who brought Maradona, Stoichkov, Rivaldo and Messi to Barcelona, said that: "the people who understand football always try to close deals before competitions start, because if a player plays badly his value doesn't go down, but if he stands out, the price shoots up".

Minguella firmly believes that Neymar's display would have attracted many more interested clubs and said: "If Real Madrid paid what it paid for Cristiano Ronaldo, it would now offer €100 million for Neymar".

Manuel García Quilón – agent to Pepe Reina, Arbeloa, Albiol, Callejón and Javi García – also shares the same opinion: "Neymar is the best signing they could have made. Now he would cost €40 million more. They did the right thing because of the moment he is in and his quality".
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http://www.marca.com/2013/07/03/en/football/barcelona/1372834828.html
 
Villa to Atletico. It's official. And almost as a gift... only 2 M€!!!

The monkey we have as chairman needs to go away, far far away. And 3 years later we still need a pure CB and a pure striker that can play plan B. Jesus...
 
Roswell is a circus-monkey? Thought he was beloved for bringing Cesc home.
 
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so this is how much Barca has "lose" on their transfers !

1. Ibrahimovic (-63 mil euro)
2. Villa (-34,9 mil)
3. Henrique (-16,5 mil)
4. Hleb (-15 mil)
5. Keirrison (-14 mil)
6. Cáceres (-13 mil)
7. Chigrinsky (-10 mil)
8. Maxi López (-4 mil)

Total: 170,4 mil euro !

wow something ts really wrong , something must change there !
 
For all the "end of cycle" talks we had before on the thread... now we're witnessing the end of the cycle, probably.

We have a chimp as chairman and an abysmal sports chief like Zubizarreta. Today it's the first day of the new season, and yes, we signed Neymar which is a great signing and a big player, but:

- We have only a helathy CB in the squad. It is a joke, we need a quality player there. They talk about Thiago Silva, but he has nearly 30 years, he's prone to injuries and he would cost what? 40 millions? It's just irrational, because last season they discarded him for being too expensive. Now he's even more expensive and they want him?

- We have no striker at all! We gifted Villa to Atletico, and now not only we're missing a plan B, but also a plan A! We don't have any single player in the squad who has ever played as a striker! Can you believe that in a team that pretends to win the Champions League?

- We had the best young player of Europe. We had him under a contract of 5 years. He was meant to be the only one who could replace Xavi at short term. Xavi is 33 and his good days are well past (his last season was pathetic, in fact). And what do we do? We sell him quite cheaply (because of a stupid clause in the contract) to the team taht defeated us 7-0 in CL. Great.

I don't know, maybe things change a lot in the next 10 days, but as of now, Barcelona is a very unbalanced team, with 3 great players upfront (Iniesta, Neymar, Messi) and big problems in the defensive aspect, both in midfield and defense. Add to that that our goalkeeper has said he wants out.

Who on earth planned all this? Who is responsible? Rosell, Zubi and Tito. None of them should be at the club, and forget about tactics and players, they are the real cause why this team is going down and this season can be the one season in which we are badly beaten anywhere. Fingers crossed to avoid any injury of Messi and Neymar, because our dependancy on them might be even bigger.
 
Out of interest, how are Barca's finances? I heard that the board have to meet a certain level of 'profit' or else they're automatically ejected?

Neymar wasn't cheap, you didn't get that much for Villa, nothing for Abidal and only 24m or so for Thiago - so do Barca need to sell before they buy?
 
Barcelona can spend +50 M€ on transfers each year. So, if we sold Villa, Thiago and waived and lended some other players (Abidal, Dos Santos, Bojan, Muniesa, Deulofeu), I would say the club could spend this year about 75 M€ without problem. Last year the club only spent 40 M€, so you could say the club could spend up to 85 M€ this season.

The club is being very cautious in the finances department, and has been cutting the debt each year for a lot of time, now. I would say that is the big club with the healthier season balances in the last 5 years. Of course there's the debt there, I think it's about 290 M€, but that's nothing compared to the 500 M€ that Madrid owes, right? Plus, Barcelona has a lot more value than its debt, so financially there's no problem.

The problem would be Betis having 50 M€ debt, as they couldn't afford that debt, while Barcelona could theoretically repay the debt in 24 hours by selling terrains or players.

In my oppinion we lack a CB, a CM and a ST. And I doubt our mediocre managers can do it. So I doubt we win any silverware this season, as our defense and our midfield has been very poverished and we're not competitive anymore. We only have the best player in history, and Neymar, but it's teams who win, not individuals.
 
A sad thing, but we all knew that would happen sooner or later. Tito has got 2 comebscks of the cancer, you can't expect to miraculously be saved. The board should have cut his contract at the end of the season. For the good of the club and most importantly, for the godd of Tito. You can't try to recover from a serious illness by coaching one of the most complicated benches of Europe.

Let's see which is the plan B of the board. Considering the nature of Tito illness, I hope they had a decent plan B. And if the plan B is giving the reigns to Rubi, who was Girona's coach a month ago, then that's a shitty plan. But really, I expect very little of the current board, they have proven again and again they are inept. They have been empoverishing the team year after year since Laporta went away. This shows how bad management can totally destroy the best inheritance quite quickly in the world of football.

Finally, I wish the best to Tito, as a human being he was always humble, honest and a hard working guy. He had a great start and a terrible end of season, but overall he won the best league ever for Barcelona, so credit to him for that while beinng under the influence of a terrible illnes. Get well and thanks for all, Tito.
 
Sad to hear that Tito Vilanova had a cancer relapse. I wish him a speedy and proper recovery. Best wishes to him and his family.
 
Wishing him the best,cancer is a beast that's as hard to beat as easy it is to beat Valdes.
 
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