Well, I am taking nitpicking to the extreme, I admit, and the discrepancies are minimal (the difference is less than 5 pixels in all cases, it seems), but they are everywhere in their scoreboard graphic design. And it becomes more visible when modded scoreboards come to play (hell, the official AFCCL scoreboard in-game uses the same messy format the modders use). Using a misaligned font just seems amateurish to me when you're pairing it with more moden design.
But I'll admit, I'm biased, years of working in graphic design changed me and I have a unhealthy deviation regarding such things. (and yet, i'm not the one to complain about the baggy shirts)
Anyway, if there are modders working on modded scoreboards and interface elements I'm open for cooperation offers for 2020. Just PM me.
I mean, yeah, it really is as minor as it gets, but I'd say it goes along with all the rest of Konami's slackness throughout the last few PES games. What I'm really vivid about is that we can't have a nice knock-off scoreboard with this messy font and all!
Well, you think you're good enough maybe you can apply job to konami. And so called "elitist" can make this game even better ! am i right ? Here's the link
https://www.gaming.konami.com/corporate/Home/Careers.aspx
I think it's enough from me, any opinion from you guys i always respect that.
Because it's that easy.Well, you think you're good enough maybe you can apply job to konami. And so called "elitist" can make this game even better ! am i right ? Here's the link
https://www.gaming.konami.com/corporate/Home/Careers.aspx
I think it's enough from me, any opinion from you guys i always respect that.
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Well, you think you're good enough maybe you can apply job to konami. And so called "elitist" can make this game even better ! am i right ? Here's the link
https://www.gaming.konami.com/corporate/Home/Careers.aspx
I think it's enough from me, any opinion from you guys i always respect that.
Alright mate , that's too far to be honest.
It's a win-win, right ?
Well you said "suicidal masochist" not mine
Then prove it, don't just talk
Well, if that's easy for you. You should be working for konami by now
Come on guys, what about respecting other people opinion ? Like i said in the end people always have a choice. Don't like the game then don't buy it, don't play it and stick with the version you like. I like the game, i will buy it and i will spend hours with it
It's enough i think, other than this, it's going too far from topic
All video links seem broken to me
You're telling me. On PC it's the first thing i usually change with a global editing tool (I don't know if it's still possible on modern PES on PC?)
Marvelous post and you've put a tremendous amount of effort into articulating and providing countless examples too. I'm glad i'm not the only one who cares about the aesthetic and authenticity. It seems superficial to some as game play is very important, But so is presentation too, Especially when it is a big part of the experience from league to league, Competition to competition. It's part of what makes it a visual treat, Knowing there's a certain look and feel, A difference between the Premier League, The UCL & World Cup in terms of overlays, Stadium dressings & adboards.
This post just makes me sad, watching how many good elements of the game were removed by Konami. I mean, do they even think?!Something I said on reddit about a year ago and want to share with you guys:
What I think can be improved (outside of gameplay)
Most of the points I am going to discuss about are not about actual gameplay, but more about the presentation of the game.
First of all, the licensed leagues.
Let's start with the 2 leagues that have been in the game for years now; Ligue 1 and the Eredivise. When you start a league campaign, the game kicks off with the official tv intro, but the intro is only like 5 seconds (both are actually a slightly altered intro from last year if you pay attention, instead of this year's intro). Why not just put the full intro as we only see the intro once (at the start of the season) and as we can also skip the intro if we want? It makes it more immersive. It also does not make sense that some other leagues (like the Belgian one) do have a full intro...
We now have tons of licensed leagues and even some exclusive licensed leagues. Why isn't any work put out in the presentation/realism of those leagues?
Then once we are past the intro, the menu loads up. We get the same grey menu and overlays like in the main menu, why not make a league specific menu (with official images/overlay, music and fonts), like PES used to do with the UEFA and CONMEBOL licenses? I'm pretty sure that when you are able to put the official league intro, adboards and also official replay wipe/fade, you can also add the official league images/fonts/overlays, etc. Or like I said, at the very least change the colors or something, it's not like they can't because even the fake CL/EL in PES 2019 has different colors in the menus (fake CL = Blue, fake EL = Orange). Why can they do this for fake/unlicensed leagues but not for the licensed ones? The "exclusive" licensed leagues don't even have an intro or real adboards...
PES 2014 was the first football game that featured dynamic/animated adboards. We are now 5 years further and still the only animated adboards are the default PES League/MyClub adboards. All the official licensed leagues and partner teams have adboards, but they are not animated or dynamic (most even static). FC Barcelona doesn't even have official adboards...
The next point are the adboards.
5 YEARS later and they still haven't found a way to implement animated adboards for licensed leagues and teams while modders on PC have multiple animated adboards for every single team and league (not to mention the UI, real overlays, etc.). I think it's ridiculous.
Playing the International Champions Cup (also no intro and UI/overlays) and the only thing you see is "International Champions Cup" x 1000 as the adboard, like we are still on the PS1. And that for every licensed league and team.
I don't know why they don't add overlays/pop ups of those licensed leagues. It could be that the license doesn't include this (which I think is weird as the replay wipes and intros are usually part of the broadcast package, so if you can use that you surely can also use the rest of the broadcast package), but I don't think that's case. But what is it then? Laziness? Refusing to do something? I can't figure it out.
The overlays now.
I for one remember that with the CL license the overlays were used well. When you played the CL, all in game overlays used official CL popups, until PES 2014. After PES 2015, suddenly the player names bar, the set piece information bars (change set piece taker etc.) weren't like that anymore. But when you got to the match stats and individual player stats, the official CL overlays were still used for that. Since PES 2017, that also vanished.
PES 2014: https://imgur.com/a/gAstVqz
So, maybe it's really laziness? Are they doing this on purpose? What is it?
Anyway, even if it's the case that they can't use the official popups for the licensed leagues, why not give us multiple variations of their own overlays/popups, instead of just one? Why can't they keep the pop ups of PES 2018, 2017 and 2016 in the game? I mean, last year they made a good one (clearly inspired by the PL) and the following year they decide to make a new one so just throw the old one in the bin. Why not keep that one as well and assign it to the English League (for example)? Why can't they have more than 1 variation? In PES 2017 they kept the PES 2016 one in the game, why can't they keep everything in the game?
https://imgur.com/a/dnaEwnz
That brings us to the fake UEFA competitions.
Why oh why are ALL the UEFA assets removed? Why is there no pitch entry gate anymore? Why are there no other on the pitch assets anymore (like the starball, the team logos, the banners, etc.)? Is it that hard to keep them in the game and just change the textures to something else? I mean, EA had the "Champions Cup" but had multiple, realistic, assets to make it look like it was the CL. Now when you play the CL/EL it literally looks like you are just playing a friendly. Ridiculous once again.
PES 2019 "Fake" CL:
PES 2018 CL:
FIFA 18 "Fake" CL:
It feels like everytime something is added, another thing goes (this year we got more leagues and more "fake" leagues, but we lost the 2 2nd divisions from Spain and Italy which fell under the FIFPro license, so we lost a lot of real players). It's not even ADDING stuff anymore, it's literally REPLACING stuff. That's how it feels like (probably also is).
Last year, for example, a new (beautifully recreated) celebration was added. The kiss celebration based on a Messi celebration in 2015 (walking to the adboard kissing towards the camera and the camera than showing the scoreboard). It was new, it looked neat and it was a good addition. So why isn't it in the game anymore? Stuff only being made for 1 year and removed the following edition? Doesn't make sense (there are even more celebrations and cutscenes that get removed, instead of keeping them and adding more to not make it repetitive...).
In PES 2015 and 2016, whenever you were in the formation screen or Master League/BAL menu, the bar that has your team name/logo used to showcase the primary and secondary colour of your team. So it looked a bit different for every team. Since PES 2017 it isn't in the game anymore. Why? Only they know.
https://imgur.com/a/OFkzMxE
I think that's it for now. It's hard to believe that with the UEFA licenses it was shown to us that the game CAN have a good looking UI, CAN have a realistic match presentation, but that with ALL other licenses (even exclusive ones) NOTHING is done to add to the immersiveness. Immersive stuff even gets removed, instead of being built upon. Like I said, seeing stuff like animated adboards which PES was the first in not being used at all is worrying. I know the gameplay comes first, but a nice UI can go along with it, especially the things I say here which are literally things that already were in the game once, but are being neglected or even removed in the new additions and not that hard to design/add. I am not even saying that the whole UI layout needs to be changed right now (which actually should happen soon), I am only asking for (background) images, fonts and small details to be added to make each league/mode feel unique and more pleasing to the eye than the default grey background for everything (things people/modders can do on PC easily).
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Some quick concepts I made (showing what I mean with specific league menus) and the old PES specific menus for UEFA competitions:
https://imgur.com/a/a4h3qlQ
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It seems like PES 2020 will be the same.
Like I said, everything I mentioned here are about the presentation (which is one of the bad points in PES), with a lot of the points I name actually having been in PES but somehow removed.
All of them are frustrating, but I still don't understand why they had to make the CL/EL/Copa Libertadores look like a friendly after losing the license, instead of keeping the cutscenes/props the same and simply changing the music and textures to something else. Why remove all those stuff and make the fake CL just like it's a friendly game?
Decent, I guess.
The link is dead.
