EA SPORTS FC 25

[Hels The Ronin]

These are the people the game is for.

When they win, "fucking amazing patch".

When they lose...



Please, EA... They literally don't know what they want - other than to win every game.

It's not about the "skill gap", it's not about "AI defending", it's about them losing and not being able to accept it - so it's your fault.

Stop listening to them for the love of God. Listen to football fans instead.

Know the funiest thing? If the game had more emphasis on defence, and defenders actually defended as they are supposed to, instead of that "manual defending" everyone is asking for, the game would be way more interesting. I don't say that defenders hard press the rival automatically, but I am absolutely in favor they do a minimum press to not let him advance higher in the pitch. And fucking following marks. A lot of times, you won't actually defend the man on the ball cause you will be selecting your fuckin 90 something average CB and putting him in the right place to be, because the tactical intelligence of the AI is just non-existant.

That's what kills the game. I don't want to win every game. But I don't want either to have to follow the same patterns once and again to score. I want to be forced to do build up, to have to stop with the ball and maybe play back to my CB, wait my midfielders to move. And I actually want them to move. Even jogging, or running mid pace, not sprinting all the time, but defenitely create new pass lanes. I want press to be expensive, and also not invincible. I don't want AI hard pressing all the time I have the ball in my pitch, but neither all the time retreated to the back. I want hard choice tactics where I can select how hard I want my players to press, but also how hard I want them to come back when the enemy team manges to move the ball in my third.

I defenitely want to have to find new passing lanes to my midfielders, to have tiki-taka being useful, and not normal passing lanes. Doing crosses, moving around, actually doing some football, instead of just doing random shit, or staying static. Moving with purpose. But that's not what the average FIFA fan wants, probably not even what the average football fan wants, know why? Cause then it wouldn't be the most "skilled" winning, but the most intelligent. Yeah, knowing some tricks would help, defenitely, but it would be much more of a tactic battle, and loosing wouldn't mean being unskilled, or not having enough technique, cause that can be trained easily, by simply repeating... It would mean something really worse, that is that someone was more intelligent than you. And everyone is afraid of that. Having the feeling that they are not intelligent enough... That's really something that no one wants to feel.

 

[saturator]

I have watched some old career mode matches on FIFA 21 on PS5.
It was really great : look at the cpu, the crosses, the ball physic freedom.
I have more than 20 crosses and 10 long ball!

Marseille Vs RC Lens career mode FIFA 21 PS5 Legend FUMA

 

[Chris Davies]

I have watched some old career mode matches on FIFA 21 on PS5.
It was really great : look at the cpu, the crosses, the ball physic freedom.
I have more than 20 crosses and 10 long ball!

Marseille Vs RC Lens career mode FIFA 21 PS5 Legend FUMA

Barely noticeable skating, different pass types, build-up play from the AI as well as the human player, (my favourite) passes that bounce on the ground and aren't just lasered immediately from passer to recipient. (And this isn't even the best FIFA.)

It's not even close. Which is why I can't honestly see any FC ever being (in my opinion) a good game, ever. It's just not designed to be a football game. You can make it slower, but you can't make it a good game. In my opinion.

 

[saturator]

Barely noticeable skating, different pass types, build-up play from the AI as well as the human player, (my favourite) passes that bounce on the ground and aren't just lasered immediately from passer to recipient. (And this isn't even the best FIFA.)

It's not even close. Which is why I can't honestly see any FC ever being (in my opinion) a good game, ever. It's just not designed to be a football game. You can make it slower, but you can't make it a good game. In my opinion.

Yes but EA FC 25 vanilla was ok. They speed up the game patch after patch.
I was surprised because in my mind, it wasn't a great FIFA, FIFA 21.

To catch CPU ball, it was very hard, the timing has to be perfect. On FUMA, I have more freedom and yes the ball is free. You have foggy matches too. FIFA 21 is nice. The inertia is there you can't move quickly like a chicken without a head. A nice surprise.

 

[fifaccitiu.com]

Know the funiest thing? If the game had more emphasis on defence, and defenders actually defended as they are supposed to, instead of that "manual defending" everyone is asking for, the game would be way more interesting. I don't say that defenders hard press the rival automatically, but I am absolutely in favor they do a minimum press to not let him advance higher in the pitch. And fucking following marks. A lot of times, you won't actually defend the mand on the ball cause you will be selecting your fuckin 90 something average CB and putting him in the right place to be, because the tactical intelligence of the AI is just non-existant.

That's what kills the game. I don't want to win every game. But I don't want either to have to follow the same patterns once and again to score. I want to be forced to do build up, to have to stop with the ball and maybe play back to my CB, wait my midfielders to move. And I actually want them to move. Even jogging, or running mid pace, not sprinting all the time, but defenitely create new pass lanes. I want press to be expensive, and also not invincible. I don't want AI hard pressing all the time I have the ball in my pitch, but neither all the time retreated to the back. I want hard choice tactics where I can select how hard I want my players to press, but also how hard I want them to come back when the enemy team manges to move the ball in my third.

I defenitely want to have to find new passing lanes to my midfielders, to have tiki-taka being useful, and not normal passing lanes. Doing crosses, moving around, actually doing some football, instead of just doing random shit, or staying static. Moving with purpose. But that's not what the average FIFA fan wants, probably not even what the average football fan wants, know why? Cause then it wouldn't be the most "skilled" winning, but the most intelligent. Yeah, knowing some tricks would help, defenitely, but it would be much more of a tactic battle, and loosing wouldn't mean being unskilled, or not having enough technique, cause that can be trained easily, by simply repeating... It would mean something really worse, that is that someone was more intelligent than you. And everyone is afraid of that. Having the feeling that they are not intelligent enough... That's really something that no one wants to feel.

Something can be done through attribute manipulation, set them more like football manager, where the average footballer has few tops and more cons.
That way you'll be forced to build up, scarce stamina and pass make you go looking for your playmaker to give him the ball, possibly without him to be marked. Bad thing FC doesn't have a button to call a player close, but only to force him run in the space. Try to think what happen if players has only one/two skills around 70/80 and the rest around 20/30. Pick a striker that can shoot or move well, that can run or just use the physique. Wanna someone that can do both? That's only material to top tier teams like Liverpool or City.
The bad thing is that it will ruin the overall calculation and so, the career mode. I've found a way to fix that, still I need to find a formula that works well generically.

 

[Hels The Ronin]

Something can be done through attribute manipulation, set them more like football manager, where the average footballer has few tops and more cons.
That way you'll be forced to build up, scarce stamina and pass make you go looking for your playmaker to give him the ball, possibly without him to be marked. Bad thing FC doesn't have a button to call a player close, but only to force him run in the space. Try to think what happen if players has only one/two skills around 70/80 and the rest around 20/30. Pick a striker that can shoot or move well, that can run or just use the physique. Wanna someone that can do both? That's only material to top tier teams like Liverpool or City.
The bad thing is that it will ruin the overall calculation and so, the career mode. I've found a way to fix that, still I need to find a formula that works well generically.

Nah, it is not an attribute thing. Won't say that attributes don't play a part but is way too small. Besides, is not only attributes but also the fact that someone with 90 finishing is gonna score almost everything, for example. Sometimes shoots that irl would not score. My biggest issue with this game is mainly movement, which is absolutely insane, and obviously, the lack of defensive attitude of players.

Sure, you can fix this with mods partially, but even then it is exaggerated.