Boxing Talk!!

Anyone seen this Nicolay Valuev? He's bloody massive about 7'0, I was told he just steps over the ring. :lol: He beat Clifford Etienne recently in a few rounds. Think he's around 41-0 (31ko). Although think he might be a bit too slow when he comes against any good fighters. Heard he might be fighting John Ruiz, who ain't very good either.


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I haven't seen him fight but his record contains no names I recognise, of course that doesn't necessarily mean much, Hatton's record could be cons
 
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Never heard of him FD but after 41 straight wins we should do soon! I really dont think that would be the fight for Hatton if he does what he says and retires within the next two years i can only see his next fight being a unification fight for another belt!
 
It is another good name though to put under his winning column if it does happen.

Would like to see him trying to unify the major belts, as it's impossible to unite them all with every bloody letter used in the alphabet to give people belts nowadays.


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Personally I'd just like to see him establish himself as the best p4p in his weight class and have some good earning fights before he retires, fighting for titles doesn't necessarily equate to fighting the biggest fights or earning the most money, Corrales is very popular in the USA and fighting him would earn Hatton at least £5m+, not sure what the Tszyu fight earned him but I would guess it's not as much. I'd definitely like to see Hatton V Gatti, that could be a very exciting fight, despite the fact in his last couple of fights Gatti has gone back to being a boxer rather than the warrior we saw three times V Ward I think a couple of rounds of having Hatton in his face non stop would wake the warrior up and we'd be watching a serious war :)
 
Word PLacebo. HAtton would make Gatti into his old warrior self and it would be a beautiful and brutal spectacle for all to behold.

Corrales would get KO'd by Hatton. he gets dropped by 130 and 135 lbr's. . i dont think he'd be able to withstand a Hatton barrage. Still would pay to see that though. His last fight v Castillejo was one of the best of all time. absolutely legendary fight.

Valuev is a 7 foot riddle so far. I remember reading about him and seeing pictures of him when Dino Duva did a press conference in NY for him like 3 yesars ago. But since then i dont think he faced any serious competition except for Etienne recently. That's a big win for Valuev, even though Etienne hasnt been considered a contender for more than a year.
 
I suppose it all depends on the outcome against Mayweather, I think the main belt or the ones that are valued are WBA, IBF, and WBC i think Vivian Harris has the WBA belt but im sure hes ducked Hatton in the past! Hasnt Cotto got a fight coming up in the next couple of weeks?
 
Yep, I'm sure Cotto is fighting in the next couple of weeks too.

About Hatton, think it's better for his name all-round to fight the best fighters around. If you've got a record of fights against the top fighters and even have a few defeats on their record is probably better than going undefeated but fighting lesser ranked fights. If he was to fight the likes of Cotto, Mayweather, Harris and Corrales then no-one could doubt his greatness, however maybe fighting one of em and then avoiding big fights won't have him as thought of as much.

For me Ken Buchanan is the best British boxer of all time and the reasoning that I and many others think this is that he travelled West and took on the very best that there was, think he was beat around 7 or 8 times, however nearly fought 70 fights and think he lost his last 5 or 6 fights when he was finished after coming back from a long lay-off. This is why I think Ricky Hatton should do something similar and with such great competition at the moment in that division he could well become the best ever Brit.


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I watched it last night and Audrey was yet again poor, That division is just becoming a joke now, Id fancy my chance if i weighed about 8st heavier! :)
 
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Miguel Cotto v Mohamad Abdullave June 14th sky sports 1 for the WBO belt.
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i was looking forward to that fight, which sky has down for the 14th.

but looks like cotto won that fight already.
 
Sad to see Iron Mike go out like that, but personally think the demise of Mike Tyson happened all them years ago in Tokyo against Douglas.

Although I'll still rate him as my most exciting and favourite boxer that I've ever saw.


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Yeah great shame about Tyson, i just hope that really is it now! The Cotto fights delayed coverage Sky are doing it a fair bit wih the big american fights just dont tell me the result! ;) Anyone catch the Sporting legends on sky one last night, I cant believe they had De La Hoya in the top 10 great boxer yes! legend...?
 
Nope, unfortunately I missed this, but tbh I can't really argue. Think he's an absolute sensational fighter. Been in with the best around and the guy is both fantastic in and out of the ring.

I do believe that no matter who is in it now, Muhammad Ali will win it outright. It will be richly deserved too. Guess you could argue too why a player like Alfredo Di Stefano isn't there and somebody like Bobby Moore is.


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I watched the Cotto fight last night and must say i was pritty unimpressed he looked very slow against a poor opponent, Cant see the Hatton fight coming off with what he was saying afterwards about moving up a weight to face Oscar! If he does maybe Calzaghe can get a match up?
 
Mike Tyson Quotes

“[He] called me a ‘rapist’ and a ‘recluse.’ I’m not a recluse.”

On Lennox Lewis:

"Lennox Lewis, I'm coming for you man. My style is impetuous. My defense is impregnable, and I'm just ferocious. I want your heart. I want to eat his children. Praise be to Allah!"

"My main objective is to be professional but to kill him."

"I want to rip out his heart and feed it to him [Lennox Lewis]. I want to kill people. I want to rip their stomachs out and eat their children."

On Evander Holyfield:

"You got nothing coming, man. I'm going to enjoy this fight."

After biting Holyfield he said, "This is my career. I have children to raise. I have to retaliate. He butted me. Look at me. My kids will be scared of me."

"I felt Holyfield was using his head illegally. I told the referee I wasn't getting any help, so I went back to the streets. I cannot defend it, but it happened."

On Razor Ruddock:

"You're sweet. I'm going to make sure you kiss me good with those big lips. I'm gonna make you my girlfriend."

On Tyrell Biggs:

Tyson on Tyrell Biggs' complaining to him about low blows "Low blows? Low blows? Huh! Motherf**ker you're fittin' to die!"

"He was screaming like my wife."

"I could have knocked him out in the third round but I wanted to do it slowly, so he would remember this night for a long time."

On His Wife:

"I paid a worker at New York's zoo to re-open it just for me and Robin. When we got to the gorilla cage there was 1 big silverback gorilla there just bullying all the other gorillas. They were so powerful but their eyes were like an innocent infant. I offered the attendant $10,000 to open the cage and let smash that silverback's snotbox! He declined."

"Anyone with a grain of sense would know that if I punched my wife I would rip her head off. It's all lies. I have never laid a finger on her."

On His Childhood:

"One morning I woke up and found my favorite pigeon, Julius, had died I was devastated and was gonna use his crate as my stickball bat to honor him. I left the crate on my stoop and went in to get something and I returned to see the sanitation man put the crate into the crusher. I rushed him and caught him flush on the temple with a titanic right hand he was out cold, convulsing on the floor like a infantile retard."

On Fans:

"To a question on whether he feels support from the common fan: "I don't feel love from them because there's no love. They don't know me as an individual; they know me for what I actually do. Because they pay to see me smash anybody. If they're white they pay, [it's] because the only thing they have respect for is my ability as an athlete. But if I was in court and I had to use them to testify against me on my character, they wouldn't testify positively against me and they would think I'm a cad..."

"There are nine million people who see me in the ring and hate my guts. Most of them are white. That's okay. Just spell my name right."

"I think the average person thinks I'm a f**king nut and I deserve whatever happens to me. That's what I believe."

"When you see me smash somebody's skull, you enjoy it."

On His Time in Prison:

"You have to understand, Frank Bruno would not have been champion if I had not been in prison. Oliver McCall would not have been champion if I had not been in prison. A lot of these guys would not have been champion. Michael Moorer would not have been champion. Those guys would not have been champion if I had been around. They would have had no legacy. None of those guys would have had a legacy."

"I would have been in shape. I would have been active. Holyfield, those guys wouldn't have been champion when I was around, but I went away for four or five years inactive and that made them competitive for a time."

"But you really have to look at the science of the situation. You guys come here to talk and report but you don't actually look at the facts of what this business is all about. The best thing that happened to those guys and they should stand on their mother's shoulders and kiss my ass because I went to prison or they would not be existing right now. They'd be a flash in the pan and would have made some money and opened up a restaurant or bar somewhere where they live at."

On Boxing:

"I try to catch him right on the tip of the nose, because I try to push the bone into the brain."

"Everyone in boxing probably makes out well except for the fighter. He's the only one that's on Skid Row most of the time; he's the only one that everybody just leaves when he loses his mind. He sometimes goes insane, he sometimes goes on the bottle, because it's a highly intensive pressure sport that allows people to just lose it [their self-control]."

"How dare these boxers challenge me with their primitive skills? It makes me angry. They're just as good as dead."

"My power is discombobulatingly devastating I could feel is muscle tissues collapse under my force. It's ludicrous these mortals even attempt to enter my realm."

Tyson: "It's interesting that you put me in the league with those illustrious fighters [Muhammad Ali, Joe Louis, Jack Johnson], but I've proved since my career I've surpassed them as far my popularity. I'm the biggest fighter in the history of the sport. If you don't believe it, check the cash register."

"Without discipline, no matter how good you are, you are nothing! One day, and I might not be around; you're going to meet a tough guy who takes your best shot. He'll keep coming because he's tough. Don't get discouraged. That's when the discipline comes in."

"I just want them to keep bringing guys on and I'm going to strip them of their health. I bring pain, a lot of pain."

On His Family:

"No one gives a f**k about me. No one cares if my children starve, if they're on welfare. I have to support my children. I need more money."

Mike, on his mother who died in 1982: "I never saw my mother happy with me and proud of me for doing something: She only knew me as being a wild kid running the streets, coming home with new clothes that she knew I didn't pay for. I never got a chance to talk to her or know about her. Professionally, it has no effect, but it's crushing emotionally and personally."

On the Media:

“I want to throw down your kid and stomp on his testicles, and then you will know what it is like to experience waking up everyday as me. And only then will you feel my pain.”

[To a female reporter] "It's no doubt I am going to win this fight and I feel confident about winning this fight. I normally don't do interviews with women unless I fornicate with them. So you shouldn't talk anymore... Unless you want to, you know."

"People [are] going to say what they say. It has to be for a reason. It's just for a reason. I know sometimes I say things; I offend people. I ask this lady a lewd question because I'm in a lot of pain too. I have some pain I'm gonna have for the rest of my life. And Lewis, I'm trying to give some of that pain to ya'll."

"You gentlemen have no idea what it's like to be myself, no idea what it's like. I'm not interested in being humiliated anymore."

"Sometimes you guys have no pride, so no matter what I say, you guys ... it doesn't affect you because you don't care about nothing but money. So every now and then I kick your f**king ass and stomp on you and put some kind of pain and inflict some of the pain on you because you deserve to feel the pain that I feel."

"If I take this camera and put it in your face for 20 years, I don't know what you might be. You might be a homosexual if I put that camera on you since you were 13 years old. I've been on that camera since I was 13 years old."

On Religion:

"All praise is to Allah, I'll fight any man, any animal, if Jesus were here I'd fight him too."

"I feel like sometimes that I was born, that I'm not meant for this society because everyone here is a f**king hypocrite. Everybody says they believe in God but they don't do God's work. Everybody counteracts what God is really about. If Jesus was here, do you think Jesus would show me any love? Do you think Jesus would love me? I'm a Muslim, but do you think Jesus would love me ... I think Jesus would have a drink with me and discuss ... why you acting like that? Now, he would be cool. He would talk to me. No Christian ever did that and said in the name of Jesus even ... They'd throw me in jail and write bad articles about me and then go to church on Sunday and say Jesus is a wonderful man and he's coming back to save us. But they don't understand that when he comes back, that these crazy greedy capitalistic men are gonna kill him again."

Stacey McKinley: "He sees a guy beggin' in the street and he gives him a hundred dollars. I'll say, 'Man, y'know the guy's just gonna spend it on crack!' But he says, 'I leave it to Allah to judge him.'"

"I'm a man. I lived it and I'm not afraid to die but when I die I'm going to paradise and I'm not worried."
On Himself

"The one thing I know, everyone respects the true person and everyone's not true with themselves. All of these people who are heroes, these guys who have been lily white and clean all their lives, if they went through what I went through, they would commit suicide. They don't have the heart that I have. I've lived places they can't defecate in."

"I'm not Mother Teresa. But I'm also not Charles Manson!"

"Fear is your best friend or your worst enemy. It's like fire. If you can control it, it can cook for you; it can heat your house. If you can't control it, it will burn everything around you and destroy you. If you can control your fear, it makes you more alert, like a deer coming across the lawn."

"I'm just like you. I enjoy the forbidden fruits in life, too. I think it's un-American not to go out with a woman, not to be with a beautiful woman, not to get my dick sucked ... It's just what I said before, everybody in this country is a big f**king liar. [The media] tells people ... that this person did this and this person did that and then we find out that were just human and we find out that Michael Jordan cheats on his wife just like everybody else and that we all cheat on our f**king wife in one way or another either emotionally, physically or sexually or one way."

"There's no one perfect. We're always gonna do that. Jimmy Swaggart is lascivious, Mike Tyson is lascivious -- but we're not criminally, at least I'm not, criminally lascivious. You know what I mean. I may like to fornicate more than other people -- it's just who I am. I sacrifice so much of my life, can I at least get laid? I mean, I been robbed of my most of my money, can I at least get [oral sex] without the people wanting to harass me and wanting to throw me in jail?"

"At times, I come across as crude or crass, that irritates you when I come across like a Neanderthal or a babbling idiot at times. But I like to be that person. I like to show you all that person because that's who you come to see."

"I'm the most irresponsible person in the world. The reason I'm like that is because, at 21, you all gave me $50 or $100 million, and I didn't know what to do. I'm from the ghetto. I don't know how to act. One day I'm in a dope house robbing somebody. The next thing I know, 'You're the heavyweight champion of the world.' ... Who am I? What am I? I don't even know who I am. I'm just a dumb child. I'm being abused. I'm being robbed by lawyers. I think I have more money than I do. I'm just a dumb pugnacious fool. I'm just a fool who thinks I'm someone. And you tell me I should be responsible?"

On His Mental Health:

"I don't know if I'm mentally sick, but I have... episodes sometimes. I'm a depressant kind of dude. I have episodes, and I'm human. But no one cares about my health as a human because sometimes I'm in my episodes when I'm at work."

"Well, [contemplating suicide] goes through everyone's mind, I'm sure. And if it doesn't I really must be crazy. Everyone thinks about that because sometimes, you know what I mean, it's just tough being a ni**er and it's tough being a bad ni**er."

I don't react to a tragic happening any more. I took so many bad things as a kid and some people think I don't care about anything. It's just too hard for me to get emotional. I can't cry no more."

"I'm on the Zoloft [an antidepressant] to keep from killing y'all."

On America:

"I'm just a dark guy from a den of iniquity. A dark shadowy figure from the bowels of iniquity. I wish I could be Mike who gets an endorsement deal. But you can't make a lie and a truth go together. This country wasn't built on moral fiber. This country was built on rape, slavery, murder, degradation and affiliation with crime."

Miscellaneous Quotes:

"I really dig Hannibal. Hannibal had real guts. He rode elephants into Cartilage."

"I guess I'm gonna fade into Bolivian."

"I like the British bikes. I like British people. They're real mellow."

"I can sell out Madison Square Garden masturbating." :mrgreen:

"I have some pain I'm gonna have for the rest of my life. So every now and then I kick your f**king ass."

"I just want to conquer people and their souls."
 
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Well its another cracker again this weekend Maywaeather vs Gatti onlt one winner for me but you just want Gatti to win so him and hatton can have a dust up, From what Warren has said Corrales is a no go! Anyone catch the Johnson Vs Tarver fight?
 
I'm desperate for Gatti to win tonight, Mayweather is wife beating arrogant disrespectful scum and I hope Gatti destroys him.

Johnson should have knocked Tarver out in the last round, he just wasn't smart enough.
 
I saw the cotto fight and i thought he was pretty impressive myself. Very good defence and able to move and punch. I wouldn't saw his opponant was bad either but didn't really give that much back especially when cotto was throwing his punches. Not too sure how hatton would fair against him though. There styles are very different. But i suppose if he uses the same tactics as he did on kosta it could work nicely.
 
Is it tonight??? i thought it was on saturday.
Anyway I can't wait to see this fight. Can't really tell who will win it. The only way i can see Gatti winning is with a knockout punch. But that is why i can't tell who will win cus he can throw a bomb at anytime in the fight.

If he doesn't get a big hit off i can see mayweather taking it comfortably by points. Also Gatti's face will turn to mush as it always does. He gets hit by almost half of the punches thrown and thats by average boxers without the deadly accuracy of mayweather.

Ok mayweather may be an arrogant twat but lets face it he is easily one of the best if not the best P4P fighter in the world.
 
I saw the Tarver vs Johnson fight too. Decent fight, especially the 10th and 11th rounds. Tarver had it all the way and rarely was worried.

Johnson has a wierd jab almost like he is pawing with it. Didn't seem to want it as much as tarver aswell.
 
Mayweather!!!!!

My god that was brutal. I was actually getting worried for Gatti for the punishment he was taking.

Next lets hope its Hatton Vs Mayweather. What a fight that will be.
 
Thought the Tarver/Johnson fight was pretty poor.

As for yesterday morning, woooooo, what a beating Gatti took. I've not saw much of Gatti at all, he does sound like a great fighter to watch, but yesterday was just a big let down, I can't actually think of him landing one telling punch all night. What he was playing at in the 1st round I'll never know, as Billy Graham said I think he was already beaten in his head before he came in and that just confirmed it really.

Saw the other fights too, only caught the finishing part of the Chavez fight (not sure if it's his son or what) but my god the ref needs shot, that was brutal officiating, the guy was getting his head punched to pieces.

Then the Harris fight. Must be won of the worst fights I've saw, not in terms of action as it was quite funny and they where throwing punches, but the actual technique was amateurish...........and that might even be a tad critical of amateurs. Harris was finished after 2 rounds, and the other guy not long after that too.

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As a boxing display Mayweather put on an awesome show, not sure I'd even rate Hatton's chances against him on that kind of form. Mayweather as a person is beneath pond scum and I hope he has a miserable ending :)
 
The same can be said about many other sporting superstars, past and present, but he's one heck of a boxer. As you said, wouldn't fancy Hatton's chances, one little bit. Tbh, Mayweather is on another level to him. Cotto is the nearest to him I think, but think Mayweather would slap him around too though.

Mind you I had a little laugh when Ian Darke started going on about how Gatti might be too old for this kind of stuff now and kinda talking down Mayweather's display, however a couple of weeks ago no mention likewise with Kostas Tsyu.

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Yeah fd1972uk i was a a bit ammused by the comments on Gatti's age. It had nothing to do with the age factor. Thats how Gatti always fights and usually gets hit with a bout 50% of the punches from regular boxers.

He was just against someone who was a whole different class. I also thought that Hatton might not fair too well against him either. The thing is no other boxer i can think of would fair well against mayweather when he is on form.

I also think that Cotto could be a challenge for Hatton aswell but we will have to wait and see who he fights next.
 
Great fight mayweather was definitly on his game. From what Warren has been shouting i think Hatton will get ago against Mayweather. I wouldnt fancy his chances but we were saying Kosta would beat hatton easily and look what happened there!
 
Hopkins fights Taylor this weekend, should be a good fight.

Got a wedding that I'm going to, but hopefully not be too stewed and manage to see it when I get back.


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