best choice for a noob : we8le vs we9le vs we10le ?

[the_noober]

hello, I’m a noob.

I recently got the envy to discover the pes’ world, through the golden era of that license : ps2 games.

I want to go to liveware evolution versions, because I like the idea to play with final evolution of the games, and also because 2004-2007 teams are one of my favorite era of football.

so, which one could be the best to have fun with : 8le, 9le, or 10le ?

I’m ready to invest myself in the game, because I really want to have that simulation sensation, but if one of those three is more accessible, it will be a good thing.

thank you for your help and advice.

 

[vegasheat]

Winning Eleven 9 Liveware Evolution Korean PC version is widely regarded as one of the best football games Konami ever produced.

 

[BillyKong]

Winning Eleven 8 Liveware Evolution has the biggest gameplay changes out of the lot, compared to its predecessor and is an amazing title.

Winning Eleven 9 Liveware Evolution is a great game too but some prefer PES5 or WE9. Whilst they are similar there are some small changes in terms of ball physics and other things.

Winning Eleven 10 Liveware Evolution is the least different compared to PES6. But PES6 is probably the most popular title in the entire series so its still a solid title.

 

[vegasheat]

Winning Eleven 8 Liveware Evolution has the biggest gameplay changes out of the lot, compared to its predecessor and is an amazing title.

Winning Eleven 9 Liveware Evolution is a great game too but some prefer PES5 or WE9. Whilst they are similar there are some small changes in terms of ball physics and other things.

Winning Eleven 10 Liveware Evolution is the least different compared to PES6. But PES6 is probably the most popular title in the entire series so its still a solid title.

I would really like to know who thinks PES 5 is better than WE9LE ?. WE9LE was released what, 5 or 6 months after the PES 5 release.

Interview that someone did with Seabass (PES creator) he stated that, his team and himself always had more time to polish their own Japanese/Korean titles. Meaning PES in EU and WE in USA were always a bit bumped down when it comes to almost everything.

There is a reason very well advanced old PES players see the difference between. EU/USA version and what they get in Japan/Korea.

 

[BillyKong]

I would really like to know who thinks PES 5 is better than WE9LE ?. WE9LE was released what, 5 or 6 months after the PES 5 release.

Interview that someone did with Seabass (PES creator) he stated that, his team and himself always had more time to polish their own Japanese/Korean titles. Meaning PES in EU and WE in USA were always a bit bumped down when it comes to almost everything.

There is a reason very well advanced old PES players see the difference between. EU/USA version and what they get in Japan/Korea.

Don't worry i'm an old player myself! Been playing since ISS Deluxe on the SNES.

Well I've played all of the PES5 releases:

Winning Eleven 9 (NTSC-J) released in Japan on August 4th 2005
Pro Evolution Soccer 5 (PAL) released in Europe on October 1st 2005
J.League Winning Eleven 9 Asia Championship (NTSC-J) released in Japan on November 17th 2005
Winning Eleven 9 International (NTSC-U) released in North America on February 7th 2006
Winning Eleven 9 Liveware Evolution (NTSC-K) released in South Korea on March 9th 2006

After playing WE9LE extensively, I found PES5/WE9I to have slightly better ball physics (the ball trajectory in WE9LE is a bit more flat similar to PES6) and a slightly slower game match speed and tempo, both of which I personally prefer. JLWE9AC in particular has probably the best gameplay with a more compact midfield too.

 

[vegasheat]

Don't worry i'm an old player myself! Been playing since ISS Deluxe on the SNES.

Well I've played all of the PES5 releases:

Winning Eleven 9 (NTSC-J) released in Japan on August 4th 2005
Pro Evolution Soccer 5 (PAL) released in Europe on October 1st 2005
J.League Winning Eleven 9 Asia Championship (NTSC-J) released in Japan on November 17th 2005
Winning Eleven 9 International (NTSC-U) released in North America on February 7th 2006
Winning Eleven 9 Liveware Evolution (NTSC-K) released in South Korea on March 9th 2006

After playing WE9LE extensively, I found PES5/WE9I to have slightly better ball physics (the ball trajectory in WE9LE is a bit more flat similar to PES6) and a slightly slower game match speed and tempo, both of which I personally prefer. JLWE9AC in particular has probably the best gameplay with a more compact midfield too.

Whats your take on games such as PES 2008 on PS2 ?

 

[BillyKong]

Whats your take on games such as PES 2008 on PS2 ?

Amazing! They have probably the best AI in the series. I particularly like the Japanese release of J.League Winning Eleven 2008 Club Championship. You should check it out if you haven't before. I translated the game into English.

I have made a number of patches for some of these games including WE9LE. I'm also working on an update for my JLWE2008CC patch which will be out soon.

 

[ZzackK]

8LE is old school konami style
9LE simulation
10LE arcade
u choose

 

[NeoRetro]

I would really like to know who thinks PES 5 is better than WE9LE ?. WE9LE was released what, 5 or 6 months after the PES 5 release.

Interview that someone did with Seabass (PES creator) he stated that, his team and himself always had more time to polish their own Japanese/Korean titles. Meaning PES in EU and WE in USA were always a bit bumped down when it comes to almost everything.

There is a reason very well advanced old PES players see the difference between. EU/USA version and what they get in Japan/Korea.

He worked on it but that doesn't mean the games get better for that reason. PES5 vs 6, or WE7 better than PES3. They were at their limits and the only thing they could've improve was the balance and changing some algorithm. A PES should stay fluid.

In that case : i found WE9LE is closely joining PES6 on many aspect, and PES6, even if it's a solid game for some, it's the worst of the series for others (Bruce Grannec, a French Double world Champion and thrust me he was on the same forum as we were : on Twitter he said when PES changed for Efootball than for him, i translated "Sad for PES, it was iconic and so much memories, but i don't forget they released PES6 the worst/bugged version from all the series".

... But it was the most accessible to everyone, some noobs could won time to time against veteran.

Well it's just an explanation. On my case i played WE9LE but it was faster, less physical, more PES6ish. I never played it like a full league but i prefers WE9 and PES5 than that one, due to the direction (more agressive in defense) thoses version took.
Also, for a Liveware Evolution, they could've update the roster FFS, PES5 series is the only one who didn't get his updated version
Note : WE10 is part of the Pes6 Series. That game plays nothing like any PES 5 iteration.

And :

10LE arcade

OH YES. It's the worst version i never played, faster than PES6. I even prefers PES4 with all his bugs

 

[ZzackK]

For me PES6/WE10

OH YES. It's the worst version i never played, faster than PES6. I even prefers PES4 with all his bugs

PES6/WE10/WE10LE started problems with gameplay and this is the end golden era.

 

[BillyKong]

I saw some missing lines on ML, it's not like they're important but just for having the complete package.

Otherwhise i was also planning to enhance the kits : as it's pretty hard to assign real templates on it, there's another way to do it but it takes some time : you have to change the original design in game and remplace them with (almost) complete kits.
I wanted to check how to do it, as La Liga kits are pretty hard to reproduce, i managed to recreate / separately / some kits like Espanyol and their big diagonal sponspor pretty impossible to reproduce without that method or with a real template.

Now about editing the SLPM i don't understand anything as it's in another HEX language (japanese?), i tried with WE2008 to try to copy geeee's method for having real templates for all teams.

If you can let me know the .str files that haven’t been translated I will get them fixed. I can’t remember anything missing.

 

[WE9LEbest]

For a noob ? WE8LE !

Definitely the most fun LE variant in my book, because unlike WE10LE which push the arcade side too far, WE8LE keeps the simulation aspect.
So expect a demanding game, but more accessible than WE9LE, which is the ultimate pure simulation.

WE8LE is closer to PES 5 than PES 4, but keep the best of two worlds IMO.