Auto-sort Calculation Values?

[viktoristus]

Hi,
does anybody know what are the "numbers" behind the "auto-sort" thing in PES when you set up your team? (especially in older PES 4+5+6)

I am curious about it because it can help patch makers create even more realistic rosters + your CPU opponent would play with the strongest possible starting eleven, like in real life.

For example with PSD stats (the most accurate definitely) in PES5 , when auto-sorted FC Barcelona, the defense is Dani Alves, Piqué, Milito, Puyol > which is not - Puyol in this game is always put as LB instead of Abidal, so than Milito is placed as CB, even though he is worse than Piqué/Puyol on this position. I am afraid PES takes too much aim on the "defense" attribute on the SB position, because Puyol has something about 90 and abidal about 78, but Abidal beats him in speed and dribbling attributes, which are also important for a side back.

Another thing, also with PSD stats and PES5, in Real Madrid, Esteban Granero is always placed in the starting eleven, even if I decrease all his values about 3 - I had to decrease it about 5 to kick him out - than still Fernando Gago goes there instead of Xabi/Diarra/Khedira, even though he has WORSE STATS?! I noticed that also the "basic position" plays its role, but it's not just about that...

So I am asking if anybody knows the EXACT preferred atributes for each position, so then even better tweaking would be possible?

 

[Dazzlà]

the positions will be changed automatically according to the condition of the players, i just tested this and abidal started LB with yellow arrow and puyol CB with green arrow. iniesta had grey arrow and was left out of the squad altogether.. condition can be edited, maybe granero always gets a nice arrow because his condition is 8 in your game, maybe test by giving him a condition of 1 and see if his arrow is always grey or blue.

 

[viktoristus]

I know about Condition arrows. What I've said just in the Edit team, where there are no condition arrows to influence the attributes. I tried testing with lower Conditions, but years ago, so I don't clearly remember the outcome (but I am afraid it hadn't just a big impact), will look at it again.

It would be nice if it solved the problem at least a bit > the ideal would be completely turn the arrows off (I don't think that just "form" can reduce/increase almost all your stats by 12 points). Yes, it makes bigger rotation in the starting XI (more realistic, since all the starting players don't play 38 games per league season), but better would be setting Injury tolerance by 1 point down (unfortunately can't be done globally in PES Editor) and lowering Stamina.

But what I need the most is to knew the KEY ATTRIBUTES for all the position, so than people can edit the players to be set by auto-sort in the Edit team section more realistically - for example sometimes there is an inaccurate advantage - Eboué is over Sagna (without arrows) > so than I would reduce Eboué's XXX (the key attributes) or reduce it on Sagna (just an example, may not be true about these two players and their stats).