Arsenal Thread
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Aboutreika18
Too Black, Too Strong
- 5 September 2006
I'm surprised you lot aren't blaming your own team a bit more. Throwing away a four goal lead is unlikely to be the complete fault of an incompetent ref.
Nothing wrong with the ref imo. He gave us a soft pen for our 3rd but ruled out Best goal which was onside. Barton tackle was hard but fair, no studs showing and he took the whole ball. Nolan was given a yellow for grabbing your keeper which was fair, Diaby did the same thing twice which is what got him the red.
sattan_hussein
Championship
UJSupanova
@Bobothy
Sorry but Barton's tackle wasn't as bad as people are making out in this thread, it was his trailing leg that caught Diaby, he didn't go in two footed at all, he just went in strong with his trailing foot behind him which followed through into Diaby.
I understand Arsenal fans' frustration but to go mental over that tackle is nonsense imo.
I understand Arsenal fans' frustration but to go mental over that tackle is nonsense imo.
Aboutreika18
Too Black, Too Strong
- 5 September 2006
I think Barton's reputation precedes him in this case.
bebo
Looking for a Manager
spot on! We fell apart once Djourou was subbed .Dowd is harsh no doubt. Wenger needs to sort the organization at the back pronto!
Thank you. Decisions evened themselves out seeing as the Best goal was disallowed but the second penalty shouldnt have been given...
That will always be the case with him I think. Look at the Sunderland game where their players were going in really hard, Alan Smith got stamped on, yet Barton does a accidental handball as he jumped and he got booked for it!
gerd
Retired Footballer
Barton's tackle was a typical tackle that is considered fair in England and a yellow card in the rest of the world.
Please stop deluding yourself, this has nothing to do with the ref. There is only one top team in the world that is capable of spoiling a 4-0 lead: Arsenal (well maybe Spurs aswell, but they aren't a top team yet).
I saw the match of the season with a fantastic pass of Fabregas and one of the best goals of the season (Tioté).
Great match and all credit to Newcastle. Arsenal only have to blame themselves.
Please stop deluding yourself, this has nothing to do with the ref. There is only one top team in the world that is capable of spoiling a 4-0 lead: Arsenal (well maybe Spurs aswell, but they aren't a top team yet).
I saw the match of the season with a fantastic pass of Fabregas and one of the best goals of the season (Tioté).
Great match and all credit to Newcastle. Arsenal only have to blame themselves.
sattan_hussein
Championship
Wrong. Diaby was sent off and Nolan wasn't.
It's always too suspicious for a ref to bring his whistle to his mouth and not blow for a blatant tackle from behind. http://dai.ly/i06maWgerd said:
Won't bother anymore. If anyone still cares: here. Yes it's an Arsenal blog, but try to refute that.
gerd
Retired Footballer
I've started reading this, that is sooo boring. Would you do better than the average ref?
I don't think so.
Newcastle's come back was (perhaps) made easier by the ref. You could argue that Nolan should have been sent off, but then Arsenal's GK should have had a yellow too. And yes the Koscielny penalty was never a penalty, but then again a perfect valid Newcastle goals was disallowed.
But all this doesn't matter, what does matter (and Wenger will certainly worry about that) is the fact that Arsenal let slip a 4-0 advantage away...ref or no ref...that is worrying for Wenger. You can delude yourself as much as you want but in the end, Arsenal messed up. Knowing you, you will never concede that...but that is the pure and naked truth.
Shame because Man Utd lost...just like the Newcastle fan i hope Arsenal become champions because they are by far the best football playing team in England.
But maybe you could be a litle gracious (or is that gratious???) and acknowledge a fantastic Newcastle performance. Newcastle fans every right to be very proud of their team because they played a fantastic second half (maybe helped by the ref, but certainly even more helped by Arsenal).
I don't think so.
Newcastle's come back was (perhaps) made easier by the ref. You could argue that Nolan should have been sent off, but then Arsenal's GK should have had a yellow too. And yes the Koscielny penalty was never a penalty, but then again a perfect valid Newcastle goals was disallowed.
But all this doesn't matter, what does matter (and Wenger will certainly worry about that) is the fact that Arsenal let slip a 4-0 advantage away...ref or no ref...that is worrying for Wenger. You can delude yourself as much as you want but in the end, Arsenal messed up. Knowing you, you will never concede that...but that is the pure and naked truth.
Shame because Man Utd lost...just like the Newcastle fan i hope Arsenal become champions because they are by far the best football playing team in England.
But maybe you could be a litle gracious (or is that gratious???) and acknowledge a fantastic Newcastle performance. Newcastle fans every right to be very proud of their team because they played a fantastic second half (maybe helped by the ref, but certainly even more helped by Arsenal).
sattan_hussein
Championship
It's clear that you didn't read it, or even watched the match at all. Szczesny WAS booked, and the fake pen was Rosicky's, not Koscielny.
Knowing me? From a dozen Forum posts?
Typical of you going to clubs threads and pointing fingers to their fans.
Arsenal messed up. I never said we didn't. Finito.
UJSupanova
@Bobothy
Sorry but that is a ridiculously biased blog and most of it is refutable. I like how they don't mention Diaby's lunge on Barton (which led to Barton being in the air and "stamping" on him) but mention every tackle by a Newcastle player.
Look, the ref didn't have a great game, but the way you're talking and the way that blog is written you'd think that the result was 100% down to the ref and it wasn't. Diaby's an idiot and deserved to get sent off, and it's very telling that once he was off Arsenal fell apart.
jonneymendoza
Legend
- 1 January 2004
- Arsenal
All i can say is that with united losing we actually GAINED a point over them so we are only 4 points behind them and next saturday could be 2 or only 1 point as they play city.
YoungGun_UK
20 TIMES!
Yep no doubt, you bottled it but we bottled it even further.
UJSupanova
@Bobothy
I was talking to an Arsenal fan i work with yesterday after the game and he was happy that you gained a point on United, until i reminded him that you were 4-0 up and should really only be 2 points behind right now.
He hadn't thought of it like that.Because Nolan only did it once and Diaby did it twice, you could see the ref putting his 2 fingers up to say 'you've done it twice' before he sent him off...
Anyway, good luck for the rest of the season, I hope you can catch Man Utd and do everyone a favour
jonneymendoza
Legend
- 1 January 2004
- Arsenal
im not blaming the ref. the team is the one to blame. they never turned up second half. they got what they deserve. arsenal were pathetic and shit in the 2nd half. ref was just the icing on the cake.
there was soo many tell tell signs before newcastles first goal but arsenal did not use there fucking head and shut up shop. they dont now the meaning of it. they are fucking pathetic and shit.
terrible and newcastle played brilliantly in the 2nd half IMO.
jonneymendoza
Legend
- 1 January 2004
- Arsenal
all if's or buts, we gained a point so cant say if we won we would have been 2 points. what if united won?I was talking to an Arsenal fan i work with yesterday after the game and he was happy that you gained a point on United, until i reminded him that you were 4-0 up and should really only be 2 points behind right now.
you see, i can say the same thing.
gerd
Retired Footballer
It's clear that you didn't read it, or even watched the match at all. Szczesny WAS booked, and the fake pen was Rosicky's, not Koscielny.
Knowing me? From a dozen Forum posts?
Typical of you going to clubs threads and pointing fingers to their fans.
Arsenal messed up. I never said we didn't. Finito.
I started reading it but gave up because things like that are extremely one-sided and boring.
I haven't seen the yellow for Arsenal's GK (too difficult name) at MOTD, i think i saw enough of the match to make my point that Arsenal messed up.
I'm not contstantly pointing finger to fans in club threads. That is ridculous. 99% of my posts in this thread and othe rclub threads are positive. In this thread for example i keep repeating how much i like Arsenal's football.
But yes i like to point out when people are fanatic. The Newcastle fan was (understandable) over the moon with the come back, you just could not have the grace to concede that Newcastle's point was deserved. They played a fabulous second halve and deserve some credit for it. I know a lot of Arsenal fans who will happily concede that (and have done in this thread), that is called fair-play. But it never was my intention to judge...maybe you jist had a bad day, or it is that time of the month....
jonneymendoza
Legend
- 1 January 2004
- Arsenal
gerd has been very positive in 9/10 of his posts in here and was shockingly surpised when i found out he is a spurs fan
gerd
Retired Footballer
Thanks jonney, this actually means a lot to me.
bebo
Looking for a Manager
Anyone hearing the rumors about Dowd games being investigated , a few in here owes sattan_hussein an apology
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UJSupanova
@Bobothy
Anyone hearing the rumors about Dowd games being investigated , a few in here owes sattan_hussein an apology
Well, it's not just Dowd, it's Rosicky as well.
But the sources are dodgy and there's nothing concrete just yet.
Just watched it again on MOTD2 and the ref didn't get that many wrong, first pen was definitely a pen, second pen i wouldn't give myself but i've definitely seen them given, it's not like there was no contact, Rosicky clearly pushes him with both arms. I've definitely seen softer penalties than that anyway. Plus Newcastle had a perfectly good goal chalked off by the linesman. Diaby is an idiot and deserved his card, Barton's tackle was hard but fair. I don't know if Nolan got a yellow card but if he didn't then he deserved one but at the same time so did Sczeszney for timewasting and obstruction when he wouldn't give the ball back.
jonneymendoza
Legend
- 1 January 2004
- Arsenal
How is it timewasting hogging the ball AFTER a goal is scored? the clock stops for every goal scored as far as i know
UJSupanova
@Bobothy
well maybe not time wasting, but it's a delaying tactic and it's still a pretty pathetic thing to do and you often see goalkeepers get pushed over when they do it and it very rarely results in a red card.