Arsenal Thread

[beachryan]

Barca v Man Utd 2008 both legs of that semi (the one where Ronaldo missed a pen in the Nou Camp and then Zambrotta gifted them a goal at OT). I would say they were negative in those games. Not saying it's a bad thing, or they do it all the time, but I def remember those games as pretty drab.

I'm fairly confident I've seen maybe 90% of our matches since 1999 and that Barcelona tie is the first time I can honestly say we went into it not looking to score.

Gerd - If you'd care to discuss your opinion in any length, can I suggest a post in the United forum? I acknowledge my bias, but to say United haven't played good football since 1999 is pretty outrageous. The 2007/08 team was immense, as was the 2002/03 (which got 45 points in the second half of the season)

 

[gerd]

Look at drekkard"s post.
It's all about power (well not all, but mainly).
Man utd can score fantastic goals on the counter, and then they have a certain refinement, something artistic. But when they have to dominate it's all about power. That's not the football i like.
Teams like Barcelona, Arsenal, and occasionally Sevilla, La Coruna, As Roma play very creative football. In Cantona (especially him), Giggs and Scholes United had very creative players, but the team rarely played creative football. Even Ronaldo is much more about power and yes has not the level of artistry of Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Nasri, Cesc Fabregas and at times Arshavin.

I never come in Utd thread since i was seen as enemy number one by fantics in there...i like a good discussion, but not a lynch party.

 

[Rantboy]

C'mon man, Cristiano Ronaldo may be a real twat, but personality aside, that guy fits easily in the ranks of "artist footballers". That highlight against Spain (where Nani was offside and ruined his goal) was a moment of sheer brilliance that, dare I say, you don't see it coming even from Messi.

 

[bebo]

Gerd - If you'd care to discuss your opinion in any length, can I suggest a post in the United forum?

I never come in Utd thread since i was seen as enemy number one by fantics in there...i like a good discussion, but not a lynch party.

some of those Mancs won`t sit back and take comments lightly for long Where`s that Devil advocate when you need one

 

[cfdh_edmundo]

I'm fairly confident I've seen maybe 90% of our matches since 1999 and that Barcelona tie is the first time I can honestly say we went into it not looking to score.

The Milan away match, think it was a semi in 2007, you were 3-2 up from the first leg. It was like you thought you could just cruise through to the final with that one goal advantage, but Milan ended up winning 3-0 so 5-3 overall. I seem to remember it was a game where you just hit crosses into an empty box, shot from massive distances or hit free kick after free kick into the wall.

Also a few games away at Villareal over the last few years, but these could have been group stage games when you might have already won the group - I cant remember the precise details, just being bored at another strange choice for ITV's live game of the week.

 

[klashman69]

Look at drekkard"s post.
It's all about power (well not all, but mainly).
Man utd can score fantastic goals on the counter, and then they have a certain refinement, something artistic. But when they have to dominate it's all about power. That's not the football i like.
Teams like Barcelona, Arsenal,

Sort of yes, but United can play some very nice stuff at times, they are a every much like chelsea a power team but they had great ability and creativity in their squad ans has been throught the last decade s i still believe your incorrect on this one!

and occasionally Sevilla,

Hmm, not really, Players like Navas, yeah but they are pretty direct team to be honest! Player better football thean most fo the premiership though!

La Coruna,

they have been dire! Especially not just this season but for the last 3-4 years! Haven't played nice football for more than half a decade! The days of Luque, Munitis, Maakay, Valeron at his peak, Tristan, Sergio etc.. are long dead and gone man

Why didn't you say Villarreal, Valenica? Sociedad or teams like Dortmund, Wolfsburg even?

As Roma play very creative football.

They where, until Ranieri came in, now their all tactical

In Cantona (especially him), Giggs and Scholes United had very creative players, but the team rarely played creative football. Even Ronaldo is much more about power and yes has not the level of artistry of Messi, Xavi, Iniesta, Nasri, Cesc Fabregas and at times Arshavin.

I never come in Utd thread since i was seen as enemy number one by fantics in there...i like a good discussion, but not a lynch party.

Agree, especially about Crisitano. Find it a shame he's seen as such a great player, he's world class but so flawed it's crazy for the praise he gets! People REALLY need to do him a favour and stop comparing him to that Alien, he's just about in Iniesta's/xavi's league let alone that alien!

 

[lazyForken]

Sort of yes, but United can play some very nice stuff at times, they are a every much like chelsea a power team but they had great ability and creativity in their squad ans has been throught the last decade s i still believe your incorrect on this one!



Hmm, not really, Players like Navas, yeah but they are pretty direct team to be honest! Player better football thean most fo the premiership though!





they have been dire! Especially not just this season but for the last 3-4 years! Haven't played nice football for more than half a decade! The days of Luque, Munitis, Maakay, Valeron at his peak, Tristan, Sergio etc.. are long dead and gone man

Why didn't you say Villarreal, Valenica? Sociedad or teams like Dortmund, Wolfsburg even?



They where, until Ranieri came in, now their all tactical



Agree, especially about Crisitano. Find it a shame he's seen as such a great player, he's world class but so flawed it's crazy for the praise he gets! People REALLY need to do him a favour and stop comparing him to that Alien, he's just about in Iniesta's/xavi's league let alone that alien!

I totaly agree with you...=p

Villareal has been playing one of the most creative football since the day pellegrini came in, last year they were not that great but this year, they really fascinate me with valero in the midfield , very underated midfielder and aswel a very underrated team.

dortmund been pretty good this year but I cant agree with wolfsberg, they play great but its mostly direct counter-attacking football.

but lets remember its the Arsenal thread here =p eheh

 

[gerd]

I was referring to Deportiva in the Valeron era.
I remember a CL second leg at home against Milan, the best club performance i've ever seen except for Red Star Belgrade at the beginning of the 90's.

 

[YoungGun_UK]

Ronaldo is a different player know but in 06/07 I doubt you can find a more creative and artistic winger.

 

[cfdh_edmundo]

Lavezzi at San Lorenzo was superior that year

 

[Rantboy]

So, it's a replay at Elland Road. Everybody had ups and downs, except for Fabregas and Djourou apparently.

Did anyone follow any post-match interview? I was told Fabregas had a go directly at Denilson for conceding the penalty.

 

[bebo]

I need to change my avatar Theo admitted to diving, Oh Dear! this will be w/ him forever

 

[Aboutreika18]

I think you've got 8 fixtures in the next 4 weeks including that replay against Leeds.

Will be a good test of your squad's strength in depth.

 

[BobbyBox]

So, it's a replay at Elland Road. Everybody had ups and downs, except for Fabregas and Djourou apparently.

Did anyone follow any post-match interview? I was told Fabregas had a go directly at Denilson for conceding the penalty.

He said something along the lines of 'you can't make those silly mistakes at this level' or something similar. I thought it was a little dig aswell.

The team at times were over hitting passes and just could not get into full flow. Arshavin had two of our best chances, but at times he just doesn't look bothered? I don't know why?

I really hate the way refs delay giving out yellow cards to the opposition team at the Emirates. i have seen it a few times now and it just gives the other team licence to keep giving us digs and foul us.

Rosicky got a yellow for pushing a player over, then after that I think I counted them push our players over about 3 times and nothing? why was that? Steve Bruce's son did two challenges that deserved a yellow card much more than a push...but didn't get them at the time.

Just frustrating, but we should have played much better.

Don't know why he took off Song and kept Denilson on? Song was one of our better players imo.

Anyway, poor result and an extra game to play...not very good. But I prefer it than getting knocked out but we have alot to do at Elland Road now.

 

[jonneymendoza]

missed the game but was eating kfc when i heard we was 1:0 with about 5mins to go. was abut to kick up a fuss in there

 

[YoungGun_UK]

Lavezzi at San Lorenzo was superior that year

Not really the same level is it?

 

[gerd]

Not really the same level is it?

Why not?
That is sooo arrogant.
There are other good competitions you know...there are even other good teams than Man fucking United.
Ronaldo is the most overrated player in the world, one example.
In the lost final against Barcelona, until Eto'o's goal United were the dominant team, but Ronaldo kept on going for personal glory in his private duel with Messi. Messi on the other hand played for the team and showed that he is by far the better and more mature player.
In the last WC Portugal would have been better off without Ronaldo. If you watched Portugal matchesd, you would have clearly seen the irritation of the other players about Ronaldo's selfisch (and ineffective) way of playing.

 

[Kanouté]

what's your problem, gerd? what makes you do all this Ronaldo-Messi comparison and show this damn anger at CR in an arsenal thread? sorry but yours, too just look like a typical immature fan's hate-based comments on CR.

typical and boring, indeed.

 

[gerd]

Why would i hate a football player? To be honest with you and with myself, there is not a single person on earth that i hate. There are persons i don't like, but they are all persons i know personally. I don't like the public figure Ronaldo, but it is very well possible that he is a nice guy in private.
I was talking about the football player and saying that IMO he is overrated and that is just an opinion like millions of other opinions. I don't see why there would be any hate involved.

If there was any anger at all in my previous post, then i'm not aware of it and if so: i'm sorry.
it is thrue that i was irritated about the post that i quoted, but that showed a big lack of respect for lesser known competitions and for players that are not seen as world stars, but are very good players.

Sorry to be off-topic.

 

[cfdh_edmundo]

Why not?
That is sooo arrogant.
There are other good competitions you know...there are even other good teams than Man fucking United.
Ronaldo is the most overrated player in the world, one example.
In the lost final against Barcelona, until Eto'o's goal United were the dominant team, but Ronaldo kept on going for personal glory in his private duel with Messi. Messi on the other hand played for the team and showed that he is by far the better and more mature player.
In the last WC Portugal would have been better off without Ronaldo. If you watched Portugal matchesd, you would have clearly seen the irritation of the other players about Ronaldo's selfisch (and ineffective) way of playing.

Exactly, arrogance is the word, but we would expect nothing less from a Man Utd fan on here to be honest judging by the others who post on here. He completely ignores the fact that Lavezzi had made his debut for Argentina while at San Lorenzo (April 2007). Argentina is probably the strongest national squad in the world for attacking players, so if he can make it into that squad while playing at San Lorenzo then it's easily the same level to make a comparison.

The level of techinal skill in the Argentine League is far in excess of what's on display at Old Trafford week in week out.

 

[jonneymendoza]

FOR FUCKSAKES WHERE THE FUCK IS THE ARSENAL THREAD???

 

[beachryan]

So, erm, Leeds away then?

 

[Rantboy]

Still on the off-topic, sorry jonney

C. Ronaldo just scored a hat-trick yesterday and is head-to-head against Messi in the leading scoreboards (I could check, but I guess he's ahead even).
So, while the physical power is very obvious in his game, there's no denying that the guy is a wizard with the ball.

Ability and power aside, yes, he is selfish most times, arrogant and his ego is too fucking big to fit the corridors of Bernabeu. But the guy is a genius, there's no denying that IMO.
Portugal was a sack of shite in the WC under Queiroz, the only one trying something was Ronaldo.


Back to Arsenal: Titi Henry is back! For training only...
It's a shame but we don't have any news on the transfer window either. Apparently we'll stick to Fabianski till the end and hope for the best.

 

[klashman69]

Still on the off-topic, sorry jonney

C. Ronaldo just scored a hat-trick yesterday and is head-to-head against Messi in the leading scoreboards (I could check, but I guess he's ahead even).
So, while the physical power is very obvious in his game, there's no denying that the guy is a wizard with the ball highly effective and a very, very good player.

Ability and power aside, yes, he is selfish most times, arrogant and his ego is too fucking big to fit the corridors of Bernabeu. But the guy is a genius highly effective, there's no denying that IMO.

I agree but...

Corrected! Top player yes, but not a genuis. true Genuis and Athleticism, pace, poaching etc.. are two different things, there are some average players Crisitano is leagues ahead of in ability who far more vision and creativity, and that 'genius' which defines a legend

He also needs to stop doing that trick where he disappears from big games constantly!

Portugal was a sack of shite in the WC under Queiroz,the only one trying something was Ronaldo.

I agree Portugal were a poor, boring, functional team but Ronaldo fucking hindered that team with his play. Playing only for himself, not helping his team mates he was a complete disgrace and was rightfully vilified in Portugal for his terrible performances! he's changed a lot since we first saw for Portugal bac k in 2003/04, Totally different player! His game works for Madrid since their a dream team but for an good/ better than avergae team only like Portugal he's found wanting!

Back to Arsenal: Titi Henry is back!

.

For training only...

Well, he is past it so..

 

[YoungGun_UK]

Yes Lavezzi was better than Ronaldo in 06/07 even though he's a striker and managed 8 goals compared to Cristiano's 23 that year were he also created 23 ontop of that.

That trick were he vanishes from big games is also great.

YouTube - Ronaldo header vs Chelsea champions league final

About Arrogance?

 

[gerd]

Perfect example of an arrogant answer.

 

[cfdh_edmundo]

Yes Lavezzi was better than Ronaldo in 06/07 even though he's a striker and managed 8 goals compared to Cristiano's 23 that year were he also created 23 ontop of that.

Totally wrong he was an advanced midfielder - Gaston Fernandez and Andres Silvera were the strikers, he was playing in an advanced midfield infront Osmar Ferreyra and with Cristian Ledesma. Kaka is not the same role as what Adriano played.

You're being rather selective in saying he scored 8 goals, you've just taken his goal tally in the Clausura. This is in effect half the season (19 games), if you take it over his whole time at San Lorenzo it's 46 goals in 73 games.

Maybe it's better you don't comment until you know at least a little bit about Argentine Football ?

As for Ronaldo, no one is saying he's a bad player, but I see your highlight clips didn't show him missing the PK in the shoot out in that same match - it wasn't exactly his best game.

 

[IceMan_Bergkamp]

Vermaelen out until *don't know*... back in the market for a CB.

 

[gerd]

Oops, that is bad news...for both Arsenal and Vermaelen...(how come that Belgian players playing in foreign competitions are that injury prone?

 

[klashman69]

Yes Lavezzi was better than Ronaldo in 06/07 even though he's a striker and managed 8 goals compared to Cristiano's 23 that year were he also created 23 ontop of that.

That trick were he vanishes from big games is also great.

YouTube - Ronaldo header vs Chelsea champions league final

What else did he do after that? i didn't see him from the rest of the game, he was up against a non right back in Essien, who then moved to his correct position in the second half, I didn't see Crisitano after that, maybe he left the iron on, i don't know. All i know is next time i saw him is he missed a penalty

Anyway that goal dosen't make up for the numerous big matches he's disappeared in! He's not a big match player! Sorry! He's at his best destroying little teams or just teams that roll over!

Yes Lavezzi was better than Ronaldo in 06/07 even though he's a striker and managed 8 goals

Oh yeah, goals the b all and end all of a players abillity!

I mean Arshavin scored about 9 this season and has 6 assists but he's been totally shite in his general play!

Vermaelen out until *don't know*... back in the market for a CB.

This is the same shit what happened to Rosicky! He was supposed to miss 3-5 weeks, ended up missing a season and a half!