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Arsenal Thread

I think around all of Europe teams haven't kicked of their summer spending and are waiting for City to finish theirs.
 
Well bobby and jonney, "Arsenal" did nothing wrong. Nothing at all.
What happened was that Guillou and Wenger are very good friends (Guillou was the first person to give Wenger a chance as coach) and that Guillou served as a "straw man" (don't know if that is correct English as i'm translating literally, you could describe it as an unofficial middle man) between ASEC Abidjan and Wenger/Arsenal.
Beveren got in financial trouble, got a loan from Guillou. Later on this loan turned out to be from Arsenal (which isn't very fair) and Arsenal had first choice from the good Ivorian players.

The fact that only Eboué succeeded (i'm pretty sure other Ivorian Beveren players went to Arsenal, but did not make it to the first team, but let's just pretend that it was only Eboué for the sake of argument) is not irrelevant. The fact is that Arsenal had first choice. The fact is that Guillou did illegal things (human trade, obscure financing) and sucked Beveren dry.

Bobby, it's true that the fact that Brittain (and Belgian) robbed theirselves rich in the past does not matter now. It would certainly matter if the same PM was still in office. What happened with Beveren was due to Wenger. Wenger is still coach of Arsenal.

But don't misunderstand me. I admire Wenger as a coach and will gladly give him the benefit of the doubt, that he never knew what precisely happened in Beveren. And "Arsenal" certainly didn't do anything wrong. What i'm trying to do is to put things in perspective. I honestly see nothing wrong with what Barcelona is doing in all the Cesc transfer saga. I understand that you guys don't want to loose Cesc, but Beveren fans did not want to loose Eboué and Yaya Touré.

Some of you say that what happens with Cesc is immoral and what happened with Beveren is normal because Beveren was a feeder club (as a matter of fact, officially they weren't, the club wasn't aware of the officious connection between Guillou and Wenger, that transpired later). IMO that is a fine example of flawed ethics. And as farfetched as it seems now, it is still possible that in a distant future Arsenal could become a feeder club of for example Russian clubs (that will be the biggest league in the world in 15 years). Look what happens now with Liverpool. Big clubs like Man Utd, Chelsea, Man City are articficially wealthy. If Arsenal would become a(n officious) feeder club, you guys would not be very happy...

I realize that i will not convince some of you and think it's best now to agree that we disagree. I hope that Fabregas can stay with Arsenal and that Arsenal can continue to play very attractive football and get silverware (but loose both matches against Spurs ). I have nothing against Arsenal, IMO they are one of the most attractive teams in the world.

It was nice discussing with you bobby and jonney. I hope in the distant future we may agree about something.:)):)):))
 
gerd said:
Well bobby and jonney, "Arsenal" did nothing wrong. Nothing at all.
What happened was that Guillou and Wenger are very good friends (Guillou was the first person to give Wenger a chance as coach) and that Guillou served as a "straw man" (don't know if that is correct English as i'm translating literally, you could describe it as an unofficial middle man) between ASEC Abidjan and Wenger/Arsenal.
Beveren got in financial trouble, got a loan from Guillou. Later on this loan turned out to be from Arsenal (which isn't very fair) and Arsenal had first choice from the good Ivorian players.

The fact that only Eboué succeeded (i'm pretty sure other Ivorian Beveren players went to Arsenal, but did not make it to the first team, but let's just pretend that it was only Eboué for the sake of argument) is not irrelevant. The fact is that Arsenal had first choice. The fact is that Guillou did illegal things (human trade, obscure financing) and sucked Beveren dry.

Bobby, it's true that the fact that Brittain (and Belgian) robbed theirselves rich in the past does not matter now. It would certainly matter if the same PM was still in office. What happened with Beveren was due to Wenger. Wenger is still coach of Arsenal.

But don't misunderstand me. I admire Wenger as a coach and will gladly give him the benefit of the doubt, that he never knew what precisely happened in Beveren. And "Arsenal" certainly didn't do anything wrong. What i'm trying to do is to put things in perspective. I honestly see nothing wrong with what Barcelona is doing in all the Cesc transfer saga. I understand that you guys don't want to loose Cesc, but Beveren fans did not want to loose Eboué and Yaya Touré.

Some of you say that what happens with Cesc is immoral and what happened with Beveren is normal because Beveren was a feeder club (as a matter of fact, officially they weren't, the club wasn't aware of the officious connection between Guillou and Wenger, that transpired later). IMO that is a fine example of flawed ethics. And as farfetched as it seems now, it is still possible that in a distant future Arsenal could become a feeder club of for example Russian clubs (that will be the biggest league in the world in 15 years). Look what happens now with Liverpool. Big clubs like Man Utd, Chelsea, Man City are articficially wealthy. If Arsenal would become a(n officious) feeder club, you guys would not be very happy...

I realize that i will not convince some of you and think it's best now to agree that we disagree. I hope that Fabregas can stay with Arsenal and that Arsenal can continue to play very attractive football and get silverware (but loose both matches against Spurs ). I have nothing against Arsenal, IMO they are one of the most attractive teams in the world.

It was nice discussing with you bobby and jonney. I hope in the distant future we may agree about something.:)):)):))
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So arsenal gave this club a loan. aint that a good thing? We get 1st choice selection from their stars as part of a goodwill gesture to giving them a loan. Again how is that a bad thing. We then pay them decent money for eboue so again what is the problem here?

we approached this club fairly. we diddnt go using local newspapers to temp eboue to arsenal. we also diddnt bring out every single arsenal member to the press saying "Eboue should come here" etc etc. How is it as bad as what barcelona are doing?

What exactly did arsenal do wrong? it looks to me we did them more good then harm. We gave them a loan and gave them some money for players we liked from their team. what part of that is wrong?

Now lets look at barcelona. What have they done good for arsenal? absoluetly nothing. they have done the complete opposite. why do you think arsenal dont want to speak to them? they have showed lack of respect to arsenal using the papers and the barcelona president, players, coach, staff, etc etc to bait fabregas into asking for a transfer request so they can get him for the cheap.

They still have not paid the full sum for hleb and henry so what makes u think they can even afford to hand us 30m in cash let alone 50m??

Also, You talk a lot about these deals yet provide NO sources to this information?
 
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jonney just read my posts with a litle bit more attention.
Sources: the Belgian press, papers like De Standaard & De Morgen. Both quality papers.
I will not convince you about my points and i hope that you don't mind that i give up.
 
You mixing apples and oranges gerd. Human trafficking of young african players and the business around is a general problem for european football, and if you want to talk about ethics you should talk about the flawed ethics of the european football industry as a whole, not bits and pieces to fit your argument.
Almost every Arsenal supporter is unhappy about Barcas public efforts to unsettle Cesc, and I dont think it would be that much talk of respect if it wasnt for the fact that Barca themselves brought talk of respect to the table.
 
jonneymendoza said:
They still have not paid the full sum for hleb and henry so what makes u think they can even afford to hand us 30m in cash let alone 50m??
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If we look at their outstanding debt, we could say Arsenal is lending them some cash. If anything, they should shut up about Cesc and give us first choice on Pedro or Daniel Alves! haha :)
 
gerd said:
Well bobby and jonney, "Arsenal" did nothing wrong. Nothing at all.
What happened was that Guillou and Wenger are very good friends (Guillou was the first person to give Wenger a chance as coach) and that Guillou served as a "straw man" (don't know if that is correct English as i'm translating literally, you could describe it as an unofficial middle man) between ASEC Abidjan and Wenger/Arsenal.
Beveren got in financial trouble, got a loan from Guillou. Later on this loan turned out to be from Arsenal (which isn't very fair) and Arsenal had first choice from the good Ivorian players.

The fact that only Eboué succeeded (i'm pretty sure other Ivorian Beveren players went to Arsenal, but did not make it to the first team, but let's just pretend that it was only Eboué for the sake of argument) is not irrelevant. The fact is that Arsenal had first choice. The fact is that Guillou did illegal things (human trade, obscure financing) and sucked Beveren dry.

Bobby, it's true that the fact that Brittain (and Belgian) robbed theirselves rich in the past does not matter now. It would certainly matter if the same PM was still in office. What happened with Beveren was due to Wenger. Wenger is still coach of Arsenal.

But don't misunderstand me. I admire Wenger as a coach and will gladly give him the benefit of the doubt, that he never knew what precisely happened in Beveren. And "Arsenal" certainly didn't do anything wrong. What i'm trying to do is to put things in perspective. I honestly see nothing wrong with what Barcelona is doing in all the Cesc transfer saga. I understand that you guys don't want to loose Cesc, but Beveren fans did not want to loose Eboué and Yaya Touré.

Some of you say that what happens with Cesc is immoral and what happened with Beveren is normal because Beveren was a feeder club (as a matter of fact, officially they weren't, the club wasn't aware of the officious connection between Guillou and Wenger, that transpired later). IMO that is a fine example of flawed ethics. And as farfetched as it seems now, it is still possible that in a distant future Arsenal could become a feeder club of for example Russian clubs (that will be the biggest league in the world in 15 years). Look what happens now with Liverpool. Big clubs like Man Utd, Chelsea, Man City are articficially wealthy. If Arsenal would become a(n officious) feeder club, you guys would not be very happy...

I realize that i will not convince some of you and think it's best now to agree that we disagree. I hope that Fabregas can stay with Arsenal and that Arsenal can continue to play very attractive football and get silverware (but loose both matches against Spurs ). I have nothing against Arsenal, IMO they are one of the most attractive teams in the world.

It was nice discussing with you bobby and jonney. I hope in the distant future we may agree about something.:)):)):))
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Thanks for the info. Certainly there seems like there is more 'under the covers' of the whole situation.

Feeder clubs are meant to work both ways in theory though aren't they? So although the richer club may benefit more from it. The Feeder club benefit with other players from the richer club going to them on loan etc Loan players that keep smaller clubs with no money competitive.

I know that quite a few lower league clubs in England loan young players from prem clubs. These players can end up being very very beneficial to the lower league club. If there was a deal with these clubs, like feeder clubs, then they would get the loan players at reduced/minimal prices etc but in return if the smaller club have an amazing talent, then the bigger club get first refusal on them.

So I don't think being a feeder club is such a bad thing if you are a smaller club. Otherwise nobody would do it?

But anyway I do see what you are saying, but the situation with Barca now and whatever Arsenal did with Beveren then,IMO has no bearing on eachother and I still say Arsenal and their supporters have every right to be pissed off with Barca.

I really don't mind losing Fabregas to Barcelona (its going to happen). All of what I am saying is not because of not wanting to lose him. It is about the whole situation being fucked up by Barcelona and their actions and then them blaming Arsenal for the situation not progressing. The main reason I am pissed off because no matter what anybody says Barcelona's tactic was to get Fabregas as cheap as possible, no matter what happens. The main tactic being to shit all over the relationship with Fabregas and Arsenal.

I would have actually prefered to get the 50mill now and get a replacement in. Or a couple of other players in. So our team can settle for the next couple of years at least. If Barcelona would have handled the situation better then that would have happened. Now we have this whole saga again for the next year or so. I really wish he went this offseason...but not for cheap.

So no matter what Arsenal have done, no Barcelona supporter can justify what Barcelona are doing at the moment. Just admit they are acting like dicks and are out of order.
 
Rentboy said:
I would rather see Fab leaving winning something as Arsenal captain. Fingers crossed this could be the season.

On another note, the home kit is on sale today.
http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/home-kit-launch-gallery

I really hated that red stripe on the edge of the sleeves! I think I'm getting it long sleeve, as it look much much better.
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Yeah I really like the new kit.

On another note, I got the new membership pack for Arsenal. Really nice. You get a Eddie Hapgood Autobiography, membership DVD. The official membership yearbook (has detailed info on all games last season and info on all our players, really great). one of the nicest things though is a really long team picture of all the players to have played at highbury. Its a bit small, I might look into getting a big version and putting it on the wall :DD

the box itself is really nice, has the mural that is around the emirates stadium.
 
BobbyBox said:
Yeah I really like the new kit.

On another note, I got the new membership pack for Arsenal. Really nice. You get a Eddie Hapgood Autobiography, membership DVD. The official membership yearbook (has detailed info on all games last season and info on all our players, really great). one of the nicest things though is a really long team picture of all the players to have played at highbury. Its a bit small, I might look into getting a big version and putting it on the wall :DD

the box itself is really nice, has the mural that is around the emirates stadium.
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Sounds like a real treat. Almost makes me wanna renew my membership :)

The content on the DVD is quite nice as I remember it from the last membership pack. And it even had a match of darts between Robin and Gael as an extra :D
 
Jumbo_ said:
Your home kit is class. Nicest kit in the league IMO.
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I guess I'm the only one with mixed feelings about this home kit... The red stripe is too thick in the short sleeve version, leaving too small a gap for the white sleeves. But the long sleeve looks awesome, real classic stuff. I'm getting it for sure! You can almost picture Charlie George wearing it :D
 
fabregas interviw DIR EMOTIONS

"i'm from barcelona, my club is barça, my friend are from barça....wnger is my second father..talk with he, was hard...i want win the champions league and more titles"
 
Ronaldinho_23 said:
fabregas interviw DIR EMOTIONS

"i'm from barcelona, my club is barça, my friend are from barça....wnger is my second father..talk with he, was hard...i want win the champions league and more titles"
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And?

We know he wants to move and his feelings for Barcelona. it's old news my friend.

unfortunately though, he has 4years left on his contract with Arsenal and Barcelona need to pay the right price for him :DD
 
Ronaldinho_23 said:
fabregas interviw DIR EMOTIONS

"i'm from barcelona, my club is barça, my friend are from barça....wnger is my second father..talk with he, was hard...i want win the champions league and more titles"
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hahaha keep trying son!

"I'm a Barca fan, I'm a socio, as is my grandfather, my uncle, my cousin... I have felt the colours from a young age, I'm Catalan," he told magazine DIR Emotions.However, I'm the captain of Arsenal, I'm a 'Gunner', and I have become a player there and matured as a person.""He is a second father for me, the most important person in my life after my father. He has behaved really well with me and taken me in like a son. I am part of his family," he said.
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I wouldn`t want to be in his shoes. You can`t deny what he is nor can you ignore what he became. A son who leaves home and becomes a different person. Home will never be the same as a child those are tough dealings lol
 
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ok here it is link : http://www.7amkickoff.com/2010/in-w...ed&utm_campaign=Feed:+7amkickoff+(7amkickoff)



Foreign-grown players over 21 (you can have up to 17 of these):
we can add 5 more w/o breaking the rules.

1. 1 Manuel Almunia (May 19, 1977)
2. 2 Abou Diaby (May 11, 1986)
3. 3 Bacary Sagna (February 14, 1983)
4. 5 Thomas Vermaelen (November 14, 1985)
5. 6 Laurent Koscielny
6. 7 Tomas Rosicky (October 4, 1980)
7. 8 Samir Nasri (June 26, 1987)
8. 10 Robin van Persie (August 6, 1983)
9. 21 Lukasz Fabianski (April 18, 1985)
10. 23 Andrey Arshavin (May 29, 1981)
11. 27 Emmanuel Eboue (June 4, 1983)
12. 29 Marouane Chamakh (January 10, 1984)

“Homegrown” players over 21 (you can add 8, or more if you wish):

1. 4 Cesc Fabregas (May 4, 1987)
2. 15 Denilson (February 16, 1988)
3. 17 Alex Song (September 9, 1987)
4. 20 Johan Djourou (January 18, 1987)
5. 24 Vito Mannone (March 2, 1988)
6. 52 Nicklas Bendtner (January 16, 1988)
7. 22 Gael Clichy (July 26, 1985)

Under 21s (you can have unlimited numbers of these):

1. 11 Carlos Vela (March 1, 1989)*
2. 14 Theo Walcott (March 16, 1989)*
3. 16 Aaron Ramsey (December 26, 1990)*
4. 19 Jack Wilshere (January 1, 1992)*
5. 28 Kieran Gibbs (September 26, 1989)*
6. 30 Armand Traore (October 8, 1989)*
7. 53 Wojciech Szczesny (April 18, 1990)*
 
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Agh, the only thing you achieved with that list is that I feel a little bit older watching those birthdates...

You always bring bad news one way or another, do you?
 
drekkard said:
Agh, the only thing you achieved with that list is that I feel a little bit older watching those birthdates...

You always bring bad news one way or another, do you?
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I read it earlier on arsenal.com and had the same reaction mate! Looking at Jack Wilshere's date of birth and what he's already achieved so far in his career really blows my mind. What have I been doing with my life? :LOL:
 
I read in the evening standard that fabregas will tell wenger he wants to leave within the next 48 hours.



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http://www.thesun.co.uk/sol/homepage/sport/football/3074675/Puyol-Its-clear-Cesc-wants-to-go.html

I know it is the Sun, but there seems to be some pretty strong quotes in there.

Do Barcelona fans think that is the right way for their captain to be behaving?

It really is terrible.

The funny thing is, what he is saying is what Barcelona hoped we would do. They thought we would have just let him go as a good will gesture, so they offered a reduced price for him.

There are still rumblings of Cesc going before the start of the season. But I think I read somewhere that they lost 77million last year and also had to get a loan of 150million this year. So financially they don't sound too healthy, so I think that they would have to offer 40-50million pounds to get him....how are they going to do that?

Anyway, I can't wait for the new season, I wish I was going to the Emirates cup this weakend :((
 
Nick Cave said:
The guy clearly wants to go so it's inevitable really...
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Of course it is, but we should just let him go to them for any amount they deem fit to buy him for?

Because he wants to go, that means the players of Barcelona etc can keep mouthing off and repeating all this shit over and over?

He implies alot of things in those quotes about Arsenal. I think the most disrespectful comment is questioning how intelligent Arsenal are?

How can they possibly think that talking out publicly all of the time will benefit them? it's stupid. The reason they are doing it is through arrogance, they don't care because they know they will get him at some point. Although all their talking has contributed to them getting him one year later.

Nobody is saying he shouldn't go or is not going. The only thing here is the fee and Barcelona are not willing to pay that. This is why he is not going. Added to the fact Arsenal are at a point where all the public talking and disrespect over the last few months, has come to a head and they refuse to talk to them now.
 
I understand the frustration and I agree Barcelona have behaved poorly in all this but can you see Fab staying another year when he clearly wants to go?...

I can see a last minute thing happening and Arsene and Arsenal will not have time to find a replacement, I hope I'm wrong but I can see it happening...
 
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