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Arsenal Thread

he`s funny I just get nervous when questions about the team are asked, he holds no punches :SMUG: like chelsea will win the league and what-not
 
I wonder if Boetang will get any extra games banned for poking Bendtner in the eye?

They didn't really say much about the horrific high challenge he did when he got sent off. All agreed that it was a sending off, but they didn't say much else? could of easily been another Ramsey/Eduardo.

Obviously Phil Brown told them to go in hard again, Dawson did a very late challenge and they were fouling us all around the place.

Sol showed how you do a hard and fair challenge when he won the ball.

Really hope Hull get Relegated, it couldn't happen to a nicer manager.
 
Wait really?

Lets all slag off Hull for 'obviously being told to go in hard again' and then when one of our players goes in hard (yeah he got the ball and it was a good tackle, but the guy went off injured ffs), it's absolutley fine?
 
matherto said:
Wait really?

Lets all slag off Hull for 'obviously being told to go in hard again' and then when one of our players goes in hard (yeah he got the ball and it was a good tackle, but the guy went off injured ffs), it's absolutley fine?
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Of course it is. Sol campbell did a hard challenge that was perfectly fine and got the ball. It was unfortunate that he got injured. I compare it as two players going in for a header and them clashing heads. perfectly legal and fine, but unfortunately they got injured.

The two hull players were extremely late and in my opinion were not going for the ball.

Have a look at the instances and see the difference.

And I will slag off teams like Hull that foul us all through the game and poke one of our players in the eye, stud a player high up on the leg in a challenge and completely take out another player of ours when the ball is long gone.
 
:LOL:

22. From kostea
Have you ever been stung by the bees in the forehead or near the eye?
Arshavin: No, but I’ve been stung once in my behind by a bee.

25. From kostea
Have you cleaned your yard from snow in London?
Arshavin: No

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Andrey, how often do you eat onions or garlic??
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This kostea guy is a legend.
 
So if you brake somebody's leg and have the ball (and are an Arsenal player), then all is ok...
It was unfortunate that Zayatte got injured because as it happens (coïncidentally) Campbell had the ball.

This sheds a whole new light on the tackles on Ramsey and Eduardo.

This is typically English football, on the continent Campbell would have had a yellow card (at least) and his tackle would have been perceived as not tolerable.

But it happened in the Premier League, that makes it OK. Campbell' tackle was as careless as the tackles on Ramsey and Eduardo. In the three cases the defenders took a 50/50 risk to have a correct tackle. Campbell got lucky whereas Shawcross and the Birmingham defender weren't. The outcome was different, but the intention of the three players was exactly the same: an all or nothing tackle.

I don't say that Campbell should get punished, i say that Campbell was lucky and Shawcross and Birmingham defender weren't. But like always let's agree to disagree.
 
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So you're allowed to go in hard but noone else is because everyone sets out to bully Arsenal instead of playing football, least now I know.
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Glad you missed out all of my other argument about the mentality of the team and all of the other things that happened. It was only campbell aswell, where Hulls mentality was the whole team, going in hard and not thinking about what they are doing (in regards to the other player)

Campbell is an experienced premierleague defender. he made an outstanding tackle from the front. legs were low, he was 100% going for the ball and got it.

Look at the other two incidents in the game, I know you don't want to and want to just concentrate on the campbell tackle. But please have a look. They had no intention to get the ball, they got the player and that is where the danger lies.

If a player makes a hard low tackle and gets the ball, I have no problem with it.



gerd said:
So if you brake somebody's leg and have the ball (and are an Arsenal player), then all is ok...
It was unfortunate that Zayatte got injured because as it happens (coïncidentally) Campbell had the ball.

This sheds a whole new light on the tackles on Ramsey and Eduardo.

This is typically English football, on the continent Campbell would have had a yellow card (at least) and his tackle would have been perceived as not tolerable.

But it happened in the Premier League, that makes it OK. Campbell' tackle was as careless as the tackles on Ramsey and Eduardo. In the three cases the defenders took a 50/50 risk to have a correct tackle. Campbell got lucky whereas Shawcross and the Birmingham defender weren't. The outcome was different, but the intention of the three players was exactly the same: an all or nothing tackle.

I don't say that Campbell should get punished, i say that Campbell was lucky and Shawcross and Birmingham defender weren't. But like always let's agree to disagree.
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Shawcross is different to the other two (even though it has been proved on many occasion that he is recklass in a challenge), I agree he was a bit unlucky. Even though I think it was still way more recklass than campbells tackle.

The Eduardo one and Diaby one were completely careless and they did not care if they got the ball or the player.

The underlying thing though is the mentality of the teams that play us. you have a large proportion of a team like Hull who are told to make those challenges and they do them with a chance of way less than 50/50 and they don't care if they don't get the ball.

Campbell was one player in our team that at that opportunity made that challenge, that was a good one and well timed. Our team doesn't go out to make that challenge all of the time.

anyway, it's the same as usual. As soon as one Arsenal player does a hard challenge, then all of the 'its ok for you to do it, but not anybody else' thing comes out. But the things you are comparing it to are in my opinion chalk and cheese.

But my main point are teams mentality and what the manager tells them to do and that needs to change.

(I know some time soon one of our players will do a challenge that breaks a leg, just sods law and everybody will go mental :ROLL: but my point about the whole team will still stand :)) )
 
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good point bobby... Hull are innocent we were the bullies maybe media will come out and defend Sol for his daft tackle that could of ended a players` career. Wenger didn`t see the Boateng`s eye poking on Bendtner, classic! :LOL:
 
I never said Hull were innocent and Arsenal certainly are no bullies.
I just wanted to shed another light on these tackles: i can't believe that Campbell was 100% sure that he would have the ball...it seems ridiculous of course to use percentages in these cases...when does a tackle becomes reckless when some defender is 99% sure to have the ball or is 79%...
What i want to say that even Arsenal players sometimes make 50/50 tackles. This is inherent to English football and much less so on the continent. Italian defender will rarely make a tackle like Soll's.

I haven't seen the tackle on Diaby.
 
gerd said:
I never said Hull were innocent and Arsenal certainly are no bullies.
I just wanted to shed another light on these tackles: i can't believe that Campbell was 100% sure that he would have the ball...it seems ridiculous of course to use percentages in these cases...when does a tackle becomes reckless when some defender is 99% sure to have the ball or is 79%...
What i want to say that even Arsenal players sometimes make 50/50 tackles. This is inherent to English football and much less so on the continent. Italian defender will rarely make a tackle like Soll's.

I haven't seen the tackle on Diaby.
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what the hell is going on here? people actually think cambell made a stupid hard tackle thats comparable to that guy who broke ramsey's leg?

are you kidding us mate? Yes some arsenal players make 50/50 tackles but how often do we go off making reckless and potentially career ending tackles?

What do you want arsenal to do? let teams go hard in us and we cant? come on now don't be silly. if the likes of hull don't like "some" of our players going in hard then dont do it against us and try and play football.

Its always the same shit really. we go in hard and everyone moans and cry's about it yet its PERFECTLY fine for others to go in hard.

tell me how is that a fair logic?

edit: can you remember a game this season against the top teams or against a European side that we have made reckless challenges?
 
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Jesus man, you never (wanted to) understood what i was trying to tell...problem is that you are a fan(atic?).
I wasn't trying to attacking Arsenal, i love Arsenal...why should i attck them. I was just saying that Campbell's tackle was as reckless as the one from Shawcross...i literally wrote that i don't want him to be punished.

Why was i mentioning this? Because i wanted you guys to see the other side. Hull play another sort of football as Arsenal...because they don't have the financial means to do so. Last season WBA tried to play football in the Premier League...look how far they got with it.

Maybe i'm naïve but i refuse to believe that a manager tells his players to injure opponents. If this would be true, that guy should loose the right to be a manager for a very long time. Still i know that probably some managers tell their players to play more "physicallye against Arsenal. Don't you guys think that Wenger never asks his players to be more physical ?

I've said countless times that every team should play football like Arsenal...but i don't like it when (some) Arsenal fans think that there is this big "conspiracy" against their team.
 
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What i want to say that even Arsenal players sometimes make 50/50 tackles. This is inherent to English football and much less so on the continent. Italian defender will rarely make a tackle like Soll's.
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This is certainly true. It is a feature of British football that will take a while to eradicate, if is ever is. In general, British fans appreciate hard work and commitment as much as skill. By way of example, it's the main reason that Roy Keane was so widely respected (if not always liked).

Arsenal are no different in that regard. Flamini was a fan favourite even before his breakthrough season, and while he certainly was a competent footballer, it was his tremendous work rate and 'commitment' that won him the most praise.

However, there IS a difference between commitment and recklessness, a fine line maybe but it's there. It's difficult to complain about bad tackles without sounding like you're whining, but Arsenal have been on the end of some shockers of late. Most complaints are met, certainly in this country at least with the old sarcastic 'It's a man's game. Do you want us to ban tackling then?' replies.

Campbell's challenge was an example of how you can play hard but fair. Notice his feet don't leave the floor, a crucial difference between the trio of horror tackles that Arsenal fans have been bemoaning of late. No one wants to see a player injured but it is a fact of life, when the game is played properly.

I was at the Emirates for the Birmingham game where Liam Ridgewell clattered into Theo Walcott, a tackle which kept him out until just a few weeks ago. I have to admit, in the heat of the moment I screamed blue murder, but after seeing it again it was clearly a fair tackle that Ridgewell had every right to go for and unfortunately crocked one of ours, who had started the game very well. Annoying, but it happens.
 
gerd said:
Jesus man, you never (wanted to) understood what i was trying to tell...problem is that you are a fan(atic?).
I wasn't trying to attacking Arsenal, i love Arsenal...why should i attck them. I was just saying that Campbell's tackle was as reckless as the one from Shawcross...i literally wrote that i don't want him to be punished.

Why was i mentioning this? Because i wanted you guys to see the other side. Hull play another sort of football as Arsenal...because they don't have the financial means to do so. Last season WBA tried to play football in the Premier League...look how far they got with it.

Maybe i'm naïve but i refuse to believe that a manager tells his players to injure opponents. If this would be true, that guy should loose the right to be a manager for a very long time. Still i know that probably some managers tell their players to play more "physicallye against Arsenal. Don't you guys think that Wenger never asks his players to be more physical ?

I've said countless times that every team should play football like Arsenal...but i don't like it when (some) Arsenal fans think that there is this big "conspiracy" against their team.
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i dont think their is a big conspiracy to our team. all im saying is that if teams like hull dont want us going in hard then they should learn how to play football.

And another thing you touched up on was our financial power. what financial power? when have we spend more than 20million on one player? We have bought players on the cheap mate and have developed young talent instead of spending 30million on a torres or a robinho.

Not so sure where you get the impression we have lots of money. Teams like villa and spurs have outspent us for the last few years.

granted we pay decent wages on our players but we dont go off spending millions on transfers. We actually make a lot of profit from transfers ie selling our "has been" players such has henry, anelka, viera, adebayor, toure etc etc.

You dont need money like man city/Manu and chelsea to be able to "play" like arsenal.

You just need to have a good manager.

i am 100% sure if wenger was manager of hull using those sets of players, hull would be in the top half of the table.

O and we bought wenger on the cheap too.

In a nutshell these teams moaning how they gotta play dirty to win againts the top teams is nonsense.
 
Boateng's challenge was nasty, should have been straight red. No doubt there.

But I still maintain Shawcross' shouldn't have been. It wasn't a red card challenge, because if Ramsey hadn't broken his leg it wouldn't have been, and that kind of logic just falls down. It would mean you need to send off an attacking player if he gave someone in the wall a concussion.

Gallas' challenge a few games back (straight legged, looking at what he was doing, studs about 10" up the leg) was worse than any of the ones you're talking about here.

I agree with Gerd, it's an English thing. Far rarer to see the raised foot challenges on the continent.

And anyway, you used to have Vieira. You can't claim moral highground on this one...
 
Good post by joystick. I agree with him, although i'm still not sure there is a big difference between Shawcross' tackle and that of Campbell...but let's leave it at this...it's not that i'm the big football authority.
 
well Sol is English and his style is direct ,but the best tackle I`ve seen this season left RVP out for the season.And a tackle inside the box at that, I guess Italians have an art in their style. I hope Hull stays up now after sacking Mr. Brown.
 
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Boateng's challenge was nasty, should have been straight red. No doubt there.

But I still maintain Shawcross' shouldn't have been. It wasn't a red card challenge, because if Ramsey hadn't broken his leg it wouldn't have been, and that kind of logic just falls down. It would mean you need to send off an attacking player if he gave someone in the wall a concussion.

Gallas' challenge a few games back (straight legged, looking at what he was doing, studs about 10" up the leg) was worse than any of the ones you're talking about here.

I agree with Gerd, it's an English thing. Far rarer to see the raised foot challenges on the continent.

And anyway, you used to have Vieira. You can't claim moral highground on this one...
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yep, Chelsea (chopper harris) and Leeds (Norman Hunter) and Arsenal can never call any teams dirty ever again, because they used to have players that recieved red cards :ROLL:
 
And I thought it was only Liverpool fans who had a paranoia complex...

You lot are pushing them this season.

The forums mind-games are all out in force after Arsenal looking like they're going to actually not fall apart for once in a title challenge.
 
I don't see it as being paranoia.

Nearly everybody has admitted that teams are probably told to go in harder on Arsenal, because we dont have the physical players and it is a tactic to stop us playing.

So how is it paranoia when you see your players getting fouled constantly through games? lots of hard badley timed challenges. Lots and lots of niggly 'tactical' fouling on every one of our players to stop the flow of the game.

Just seems that people are contridicting themselves, by saying that it is a tactic a team uses against us, because they are maybe not as skillful or don't have the money to buy better players. But then we moan about these tactics and you say we are being paranoid?!

It just doesn't make sense IMO.
 
Don't think it's any different for any other top teams.

Although most others have been luckier not to have suffered as many serious injuries as a result.
 
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