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Arsenal Thread

Wow. Didn't think you played that badly, it was just your final ball and finishing that stopped you scoring really and we were clinical on the break. It was just like the CL semi last year.

Unlucky anyway, still hope you lot come second. :)
 
booing off the park was harsh I don`t ever remember hearing about that in our past. Credit to Utd on an another lvl on the day.As depressing as I feel these moment of humility needs a response . 7 pts are still there for the taking .
 
Jumbo_ said:
Wow. Didn't think you played that badly, it was just your final ball and finishing that stopped you scoring really and we were clinical on the break. It was just like the CL semi last year.

Unlucky anyway, still hope you lot come second. :)
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exactly just like the champions league last year....he should have learned. I think Gallas and Vermaelen has done well. But as a unit I dont feel confident with our defence.Whenever we come up against a world class striker Rooney/Drogba for example, they show up how week our defence really is.

our two main rivals are Man Utd and Chelsea. When you lose convincingly to both at your own ground, it is embarrasing and shows that we can never win the league at the moment.

We have to play Chelsea now at stamford bridge, If we can't beat them at our ground then we have no hope at theirs.

I'm dreading next Sunday now :((
 
One thing I have noticed is that Fabregas is pretty quiet in the big games. I can't remember him doing much against us over the years or Chelsea for that matter, nor when it really matters in the CL (the one time that springs to mind is that match against Milan). When your style revolves around him so much its vital that he is not inconsequential and at the moment that's what seems to be happening. I wouldn't say he hides or goes missing but he just doesn't seem to be able to make much of a difference and I suppose at the moment that's the difference between him and Xavi and Iniesta.
 
If only he'd buy a proper striker you would be in with a chance. Even when Bendtner (who is a below average as a player) came on you put them under pressure, when Gallas went up he caused them problems. If you signed a decent target man (say Pavlyuchenko off Spurs, Pogrebnyak of Stuttgart or Zigic off Valencia) they would get 30 goals a season with the service you could provide.

The trouble is Wenger is so reluctant to sign any attacking players over 6ft tall.
 
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Get Mannone back under the crossbar. :RANT:
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Second to that! I hope AW realises that, you know, bad goalkeeping can actually fucking ruin it for a team! Was a light cross by Nani, but it was enough for an out-of-position twit of a goalkeeper. WTF was he thinking to tap the ball like that?

After that they hit us on the break twice with impeccable precision. And by saying that I'm not downgrading their performance in any way. They were quite incisive, something we haven't been for a long time. Clinical finishing by Rooney and Park. Hell, after they had the lead they just played their role perfectly. Our defenders (especially Gallas) rushed carelessly forward and we've been caught with our pants down quite a few times. Let's face it, could've been 4 or 5! And on top of that, Rooney is REALLY on fire.

We, on the other hand, had possession but didn't have a go as usual, apart from Arshavin and Fabregas. When Bendtner came on he added a new dimension. Something that ancient football historians call a Center Forward.

Bendtner didn't have decent chances (only playing 20 min) but was at least a reference in the attack and bothered their defenders a lot more. Even Vermaelen's goal came from him. I don't know man, playing without a proper CF is really weird and frustrating IMO.

Now I think we kissed goodbye to the Prem. Some more optimistic fans will come here and say that we came back from a 10 point gap when we lost against Chelsea in November. It is possible but it's unlikely to happen twice in the same season. You don't get many of those chances of a comeback in the Prem, especially at this stage.
 
It's far from over, a bit knee-jerk to say you can kiss goodbye to the league in my opinion.
 
yeah but as a fan your spirit is down and as normal getting banter from utd mates is hard enough rooney is looked as the new English Messiah even though imo he deserves player of the month. In perspective we wont play utd,chels or pool in a few days time again so all is well ,but we won`t be in control it will be for chels and utd too lose it.
 
Well people said the same about you after the Chelsea loss and you went on a big run, you never know - there is still a lot of football to play. Plus Chelsea and Man Utd have cup distractions (FA and Carling), and have much harder champions league matches.

I agree you're outsiders now but you never know.
 
beboq said:
yeah but as a fan your spirit is down and as normal getting banter from utd mates is hard enough rooney is looked as the new English Messiah even though imo he deserves player of the month. In perspective we wont play utd,chels or pool in a few days time again so all is well ,but we won`t be in control it will be for chels and utd too lose it.
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Erm, you've got Chelsea next weekend! :LOL:
 
DagsJT said:
It's far from over, a bit knee-jerk to say you can kiss goodbye to the league in my opinion.
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I don't, If we lose against Chelsea then we are 7 points away from them and they have a game in hand.

Not only if we lose that game the psychological disadvantage we will have going forward and the fact our next game is Liverpool. No matter how crap they have been playing lately will always be very tough against us.

I hope I am wrong, but I cant see us doing it.

If we beat chelsea though, then it can be possible I think.
 
I think that there is no point having Clichy and Sagna constantly moving forward and crossing when the target man is Arshavin or Nasri. A real target man with you guys would be lethal.
Can't you guys get Huntelaar since he is (again) unhappy in Milan? It would be so sweet.
 
Neoexodus said:
I think that there is no point having Clichy and Sagna constantly moving forward and crossing when the target man is Arshavin or Nasri. A real target man with you guys would be lethal.
Can't you guys get Huntelaar since he is (again) unhappy in Milan? It would be so sweet.
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Huntelaar doesn't involve himself enough in the buildup to be a success at Arsenal.

He's just a finisher, so Arsenal would have to change their gameplan to suit him.
 
School boy defending + 1st class opponents = tragic scoreline.

It really is that simple. What angers me the most is that going forward we actually did quite well. On another day, Arshavin could have had a brace and Song could have picked one up. However, it was a complete irrelevance as we decided to gift three goals.

In truth, United could have had three more and we wouldn't have much to say about it. I don't mean to sound bitter but we made Nani look good for their first. Half arsed attempt at doubling up by Nasri and Clichy followed by a quarter arsed challenge by Denilson and then Almunia throwing it into his own net. Appalling. Sunday league stuff.

Rooney's goal was fabulously taken and all credit to the guy, but if you look at how we were lined up for that we were actually in a good position to deal with his run. But, not one Arsenal player bothered to track him or even try to challenge. It was as open a chance Rooney will ever get against a 'top 4' side.

What it takes to win at this level is to bust a gut to get into the best positions, even after playing and feeling the 20 odd games you've played already. Rooney knew that, that's why he got there. Our team defended like monkeys and so we were handed another humbling defeat.

And from there on it was game over. I'm not even going to bother with their third; a catalogue of errors suitable for a kids training video on 'what not to do in defence'.

A win at Stamford Bridge and a win against Liverpool is now the minimum required to have any realistic chance of finishing top. The one comfort to take is that we'll have almost all our difficult ties out of the way by the middle of this month.
 
Joystick said:
School boy defending + 1st class opponents = tragic scoreline.

It really is that simple. What angers me the most is that going forward we actually did quite well. On another day, Arshavin could have had a brace and Song could have picked one up. However, it was a complete irrelevance as we decided to gift three goals.

In truth, United could have had three more and we wouldn't have much to say about it. I don't mean to sound bitter but we made Nani look good for their first. Half arsed attempt at doubling up by Nasri and Clichy followed by a quarter arsed challenge by Denilson and then Almunia throwing it into his own net. Appalling. Sunday league stuff.

Rooney's goal was fabulously taken and all credit to the guy, but if you look at how we were lined up for that we were actually in a good position to deal with his run. But, not one Arsenal player bothered to track him or even try to challenge. It was as open a chance Rooney will ever get against a 'top 4' side.

What it takes to win at this level is to bust a gut to get into the best positions, even after playing and feeling the 20 odd games you've played already. Rooney knew that, that's why he got there. Our team defended like monkeys and so we were handed another humbling defeat.

And from there on it was game over. I'm not even going to bother with their third; a catalogue of errors suitable for a kids training video on 'what not to do in defence'.

A win at Stamford Bridge and a win against Liverpool is now the minimum required to have any realistic chance of finishing top. The one comfort to take is that we'll have almost all our difficult ties out of the way by the middle of this month.
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agree completely.

I think the first two goals were good. But they were not as unbelievable as people make out, just because of how woeful our defending was.

Rooney could have been picked up by one of 3 Arsenal players that were back watching the ball and not the players around. So Rooney just runs through to score! it was fucking ridiculous!

Nani's goal (Alumnias goal) was good, the build up was great but if he actually chipped Alumnia and it went it on its own, then it would have been unbelievable. but our out of form Goalkeeper put it in his own net and he really is looking like he hasn't got a clue at the moment.

Reading the bbc website as game was going on made out that the first two goals were some of the best they have ever seen. That's why I am mentioning it. Also they go on about how we haven't got a plan B again!! that fucking really pisses me off! we have a fucking plan B, we just have a shit defence, you fucking moronic fuck wit! stop harping on about crap that may have been true 2 years ago and actually get your own opinion, you wank nut!

Parks goal was just stupid aswell. It was like we thought we were going into a non league game and the other team had no dangerous players. It was suicidal play by us.

We must find a nice balance between Defence and Attack, because all out attack is stupid, especially against teams like utd. Gallas needs to keep himself back, he is like a puppy running after a ball that his owner has thrown. You are a defender, fucking defend!

Man Utd deserved the win 110% but defensively I think a fucking league one team would have found joy playing against us defending like that (Not to undermine Man Utd victory, just stating how shit we were defensively)
 
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Aboutreika18 said:
Huntelaar doesn't involve himself enough in the buildup to be a success at Arsenal.

He's just a finisher, so Arsenal would have to change their gameplan to suit him.
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? Etoo wasn't a "builder" in Barça, yet he was quite sucessfull.. You don't need any 1 to bring the game to the opponents area, you need some1 to receive the crosses and some1 to finish the through ball from nasri, Fabregas or arshavin. Having a striker to help the team building a play is worth nothing. But i agree about the formation, you would have to revolve to the 442 flat and get a proper MC/DMF to help Cesc.
 
Joystick said:
Half arsed attempt at doubling up by Nasri and Clichy followed by a quarter arsed challenge by Denilson and then Almunia throwing it into his own net. Appalling. Sunday league stuff.

Rooney's goal was fabulously taken and all credit to the guy, but if you look at how we were lined up for that we were actually in a good position to deal with his run. But, not one Arsenal player bothered to track him or even try to challenge. It was as open a chance Rooney will ever get against a 'top 4' side.
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Clichy can't tackle for most of the time and neither can't Denilson, Just compare with Sagna, who was great when he was positioned at the back. However, when he went up, no one covered him (looking at Park's goal). And after all, what's the point of sending up your full backs and exposing yourself like that, when their crosses don't meet a Proper Finisher?

Almunia doesn't even know where his own goal is! No sense of positioning whatsoever. To tip a ball in your own net like that? Sunday League indeed. F*ck it, just put Vito back for us. He's also not good enough, but at least he's young, has potential and can learn.

Finally, about us being caught on the breaks: I can only imagine how pissed off Vermaelen is. In Rooney's goal he was the only one who made an effort to catch up, but he was marking Park - trusting someone would mark Rooney. But no one did and he went properly mental.

The same with Park's goal, he was left once again on his own and didn't know who to mark. He probably made bad decisions and should have closed them down sooner, but still, was left on his own. Where was Gallas?

I wouldn't blame Sagna and Vermaelen for this defeat, especially because the Belgian had an injury and still gave his best! But the others were utter crap! Not even Song delivered it like he used to.

Let's move on. Next weekend, Vito Corleone in the goal for me, please.
 
I thought Song did pretty well to be honest. Vermaelen was for the most part solid, and got another goal. Cesc was busy but suffered in the face of such ineptitude around him. Arshavin had some moments and I felt a touch sorry for him. As I said, on another day he could have had at least one.

The rest it has to be said were poor. Gallas goes up too much for my liking. We need him to be a cool head at the back, not charging up field every five minutes. I swear he tried to run down Van Der Saar at one point. Clichy is wobbling badly at the moment, although I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for the time being. He's still our first choice left back. Denilson continues to frustrate and encourage in equal measure. Hopefully he gets a good bollocking and puts in a better shift against Chelsea.

These three in particular need to step it up if we're going to defend as a team properly.

A bit sad to say but Almunia's time has to be up now. He showed flashes of becoming really quite good in the previous two seasons but he's been consistently poor this term. Too many times you end up thinking to yourself, 'he really should have started in a better position than that.' Give Vito or Fabianski a go. Neither are ready but they can't be much worse.
 
Im not sure why Almunia's getting stick for the Nani/OG goal, the ball was IMO anyway already heading into the back post or either Park was going to tap it in either way he tried to tip it over the bar but it would have been a goal and all he did was try and prevent the inevitable.

Saying that he's definitely not good enough for a top 4 side
 
Hmm, I disagree. All he really needed to do was tap it upwards to tip it over Park's reach and out for a corner. Instead he tried to hook it over the bar and ended up lobbing it into his own goal. Fine lines, but it's a consistent run of bad decisions like this that has contributed to his bad season.

I just think he's had a fair run now and that we've seen the best of him. He's been a pretty decent servant all things considered but when you average out the good and bad performances you get the feeling that he's never going to be more than a 7/10 keeper.
 
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