What ever happened to Shevchenko??

sonoman

sonoman

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13 November 2003
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Hello everyone
As you may know, i don't know much about the EPL but where did Sheva go?

If they don't want him at Chelsea he should move SOMEWHERE else!
 
He has looked a very poor shadow of the player he used to be. Awful for Chelsea, awful in the world cup...just plain awful period.

He doesn't seem to know what positions to take up, his striking of the ball has been poor and he looks to have lost a lot of pace and acceleration as well.

Of course maybe he has just had a slum and needs to be revitalised by a new club?

If he is to have any chance of getting back to what he used to be, you would think that he needs to try his hand in seria a again. Maybe the change back to familiar territory where he has fitted in and been so successful can do that for him?

If he stays at Chelsea his days are numbered.
 
been injured just returned 2 full fitness about last week but is going to hav to fight for his place as reported in the daily star mourinho claims he is their 4th choice striker
 
He's one of a handful of great players that have gone to Chelsea, and fallen off the face of the earth. SWP was one of them, but now he's getting a chance to show what he can do, and he's playing excellently again. If Mourinho gives Sheva a run once fully fit, he'll hopefully get a bit of confidence back and show the old self again.

Either that, or seen as he's getting on a bit now (-ish), I'd like to see him go back to Dynamo, and have a good few years with them.

How about the other big Chelsea signing last year, Ballack? Is he injured or what? He's one of my favourite players, so I'd love to see him get back to good form (whether that means leaving Chelsea I don't know).
 
IMO Sheva is far better than Drogba but the problem is that Jose doesn't like him.

Add to that the fact that Chelski don't play to Sheva's strength instead they play to Drogba's (long ball with Lampard picking up the pieces).

At AC Sheva was getting service from Pirlo, Kaka and Seedorf etc, who at Chelski can give him that type of service? And no had better mention that over rated Lampard to me!

I get so angry when people in this country (especially the media) say he is crap and that he isn't as good as Drobga. What has Drogba ever done in his career? One good season and suddenly he is one of the best in the world? BS I tell you, Drogba also isn't anywhere near as good as Crespo who was another striker whom Jose didn't play enough or play to his strengths!

At the end of the day Sheva is still one of the best around but those fuckers at Chelski don't care about him.

Sheva made a BIG mistake going there in the 1st place.

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tobi said:
IMO Sheva is far better than Drogba but the problem is that Jose doesn't like him.

Add to that the fact that Chelski don't play to Sheva's strength instead they play to Drogba's (long ball with Lampard picking up the pieces).

At AC Sheva was getting service from Pirlo, Kaka and Seedorf etc, who at Chelski can give him that type of service? And no had better mention that over rated Lampard to me!

I get so angry when people in this country (especially the media) say he is crap and that he isn't as good as Drobga. What has Drogba ever done in his career? One good season and suddenly he is one of the best in the world? BS I tell you, Drogba also isn't anywhere near as good as Crespo who was another striker whom Jose didn't play enough or play to his strengths!

At the end of the day Sheva is still one of the best around but those fuckers at Chelski don't care about him.

Sheva made a BIG mistake going there in the 1st place.

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All of which completely ignores the fact that Sheva has been absolutely piss poor for Chelsea when given chances and in the world cup where there is no Chelsea link whatsoever.

Lineker was great, so was Gerd Muller.

So what you say?

So was Sheva, but he doesn't look it anymore and he doesn't look anywhere near as good as Drogba who whether you like it or not is one of the best strikers in the world right now.

I am not a Chelsea fan at all, in fact they are one of the few teams I really don't like...but I am not putting blinkers on.

Yes Sheva might suit seria a more and yes his play might be more suited to Milan and it is even possible that he might get his career back on track if he moved back to Italy....

BUT

Do not make the mistake of thinking that he has not been at fault because he has been. He has not adapted, but more than that he has been very poor for quite some time.

I agree with what you said about Mourinho not playing Crespo enough and that Crespo is great. But there is simply no comparison between Crespo and Sheva at Chelsea. Crespo was injured for most of a season but still scored 16 goals but was overlooked due to the type of play employed....(personally I would have played him as he is amazing) but Sheva has not been played because he has been utter shite.

I could be wrong but it is usually not a good idea to play strikers who play shite for your team?

Maybe and it is a bit maybe Sheva can rediscover his ability....in seria a, even if he has lost pace and acceleration. But I cannot see how Chelsea or Mourinho can be at fault for Sheva looking nervous, finnishing very poorly, making poor runs, looking lethargic and slow etc.

P.S

It is Inters fault that Adriano is not the player he was yesterday, that he has lost form?
 
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Sheva has been poor I'm not trying to get away from that fact but its up to the manager to show confidence in him and try to get the best out of him. IMO you do that by trying to play to his strengths. Did Utd play to Forlan's strengths? No, did Villarreal - yes.

Who knows whether he hasn't settled etc to London, his wife does speak perfect English after all so one would think that he is getting lessons from her at least, regardless thats anyones guess.

Sheva can play in the EPL, put him upfront for Man U or those Gooners he'll score plenty because they'll create chances for him and play to his strengths.

Regarding Adriano he has had his problems and has gone off the radar yes but in recent months his dad has died and he split with his girlfriend with whom he recently had a baby so I think people should lay off him a bit because that would effect anyone.
 
Your living in a dream world Tobi and I’ll point out why I think that way;


tobi said:
Sheva has been poor I'm not trying to get away from that fact but its up to the manager to show confidence in him and try to get the best out of him.
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Sheva has had lots of chances and has never impressed bar in one match and one strike against Spurs in the F.A cup replay.

tobi said:
IMO you do that by trying to play to his strengths. Did Utd play to Forlan's strengths? No, did Villarreal - yes.
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Bad comparison again. Forlan actually scored a few goals and inparticular scored against Liverpool and for that the Man Utd fans quite liked him despite his limited success and limited number of run outs. Sheva on the other hand has just been very poor and certainly not done anything big in the chances he has been given.

More importantly though it is not upto the whole team to adapt to the player, rather it is for the player to adapt to the team or more particularly the league they are playing in. To think the whole team should fit around the player instead of the other way around is not really credible, at least not unless a player is bought with the express idea of the whole team being built around them like Villarreal did with Riquelme or Lazio did with Veron.

The fact of the matter is Forlan and Crespo didn’t quite work out at Man Utd and Chelsea respectively because of competition for places, a lack of adaptation to the league and them therefore being a little unfancied. I think with Crespo that the thinking was short sighted as he did score a lot of goals despite injuries…I think that one was an error by Mourinho. Folan suited the Spanish league and style of play if there is any mistake it was in not identifying this and signing him in the first place and the same might go for Sheva. Folran worked in Spain because his play suited the style of the league.

If an English or German player fails in Spain or Italy does that mean that it was the fault of that league and that team?

No it is a down to the player and their poor ability to adapt. That doesn’t make the player poor overall, it just means that they are poor in one league and not suited.

Equally though do not think that Man Utd were humping long balls to Forlan or that Sheva is being asked to play like Emile Heskey etc because that is not true. These players have been asked to play in natural roles. It is just a case of the speed, of the league, physicality of it, type of play etc can be something they don’t fit.

Last point….If it was just down to Chelsea, the English league, Mourinho, then can you explain why Sheva was so poor in the World cup for the Ukraine?

Can you alos explain why he is slower and has less speed and acceleration that in prior years? I mean is that down to the EPL or Chelsea?

tobi said:
Who knows whether he hasn't settled etc to London, his wife does speak perfect English after all so one would think that he is getting lessons from her at least, regardless thats anyones guess.
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This is speculation and in any respect if there is a problem it is unlikely to be a problem caused by Chelsea. London is VERY cosmopolitan and has been an easy place to settle for many foreign players and players from the Italian league such as Zola and Vialli.

tobi said:
Sheva can play in the EPL, put him upfront for Man U or those Gooners he'll score plenty because they'll create chances for him and play to his strengths.
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Pure speculation based on thin air and no fact or reality whatsoever. You simply cannot claim this to be the case as though it is true as it has no truth attached to it at all. ALL the problems associated with the Sheva not adapting to the EPL could still apply at Man Utd and Arsenal, speed of the league, physicality etc. He would still have lost the pace and acceleration that he has…he was still poor in the world cup as well. Your speculation about language and not settling would still apply in Manchester or North London and in fact would be likely to be more significant in Manchester which is less cosmopolitan and has is more inaccessible to Europe.

More importantly….nothing you said has any relevance.

Because Sheva is not and most likely will not be at Man Utd or Arsenal.

tobi said:
Regarding Adriano he has had his problems and has gone off the radar yes but in recent months his dad has died and he split with his girlfriend with whom he recently had a baby so I think people should lay off him a bit because that would effect anyone.
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None of which addresses the point I was raising. The point was that his loss of form is not the fault of the club. Inter can no more prevent Adriano from playing poor and far lower than his standard than can Chelsea with Sheva.

I am not saying that Sheva is a terrible player, but he has been at Chelsea. If it is possible for him to recover his career and be the great player he once was his best bet would be a return to hunting ground where he has had past success and is suited.

As it stands you are making excuses for Sheva and laying any and all blame at everyone elses door......Sheva has to take the responsibility for not making it in the EPL at Chelsea.
 
I can honestly say that I'm not living in a dream world but you do make some good points and I hold my hands up.

Sheva is low on confidence and it could be down to a number of reasons, I just hope that he sorts himself out and does what he does best.
 
Of course people say Sheva has been crap for Chelsea, they don't know how to use him. Mourinho thinks he can just throw long balls at Sheva and hope he flicks it on. That's not how Sheva plays, he's actually got some technical skill. If Chelsea's midfield could play the ball into Sheva's feet he'd be effective, instead of hitting a long ball from defense and hoping.
 
tobi said:
I can honestly say that I'm not living in a dream world but you do make some good points and I hold my hands up.

Sheva is low on confidence and it could be down to a number of reasons, I just hope that he sorts himself out and does what he does best.
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I apologise for my tough comments and acknowledge your dignity in the discourse...sorry if my language was a bit much.



Rocky29 said:
Of course people say Sheva has been crap for Chelsea, they don't know how to use him. Mourinho thinks he can just throw long balls at Sheva and hope he flicks it on. That's not how Sheva plays, he's actually got some technical skill. If Chelsea's midfield could play the ball into Sheva's feet he'd be effective, instead of hitting a long ball from defense and hoping.
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Stop making excuses for him and hope he gets back to seria a and he can rediscover some part of his skilll and life with Milan....
 
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vanzandt said:
I apologise for my tough comments and acknowledge your dignity in the discourse...sorry if my language was a bit much.





Stop making excuses for him and hope he gets back to seria a and he can rediscover some part of his skilll and life with Milan....
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I'm not making any excuses. Why would I, a Juve fan, make excuses for an ex-Milan player if it wasn't true? Chelsea are misusing Shevchenko. He isn't a player like Drogba who you can chuck long balls at and hope he flicks it on to a speedy winger or hits it back to a fat midfielder who looks to deflect a long shot off a defender and into the net. Now it might be a case of Sheva not adapting to the EPL game, now that's a valid excuse for his lack of form, but adapting to the EPL game shouldn't be that hard, really. Tactics are the real reason, he just doesn't fit in with Chelsea's system. I mean, all Mourinho would have to do is make a slight change in tactics to incorporate Sheva into his gameplan. Change your tactics to suit your players, don't change your players to suit your tactics(I'm looking at you, McClaren).

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uJaRJe-pT8c
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Hah, whenever some is under performing someone always finds the odd video that automatically proves that player is worthless and can't cut it in the EPL.

Shevchenko>Drogba by a country mile.
 
ask Any Milan ac fans who follow their team every week and they will all say that Sheva during his last month wasn't already the same player he was.He had already lost a yard of space,didn't finish like he was used to
what i mean it's all these problem didn't come suddently when he came at chelsea plus the fact he came back injured(back and knee problem)from the world cup didn't help him
 
Rocky29 said:
Hah, whenever some is under performing someone always finds the odd video that automatically proves that player is worthless and can't cut it in the EPL.

Shevchenko>Drogba by a country mile.
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peace man , I'm not serious at all and I have nothing against sheva . I'm absolutely neutral in this conversation so please allow me to have some fun :

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Shevchenko was a genius whenever I saw him play, then he moved to Chelsea and he's been a shadow of his former self. I don't think he's happy here, I don't even think he wanted to be here, but whatever Chelsea offered him was obviously too good to turn down.

I don't think anyone wants to see him unhappy, he should do whatever he needs to (move clubs, move countries, whatever) to get back to how he was.
 
Rocky29 said:
I'm not making any excuses. Why would I, a Juve fan, make excuses for an ex-Milan player if it wasn't true? Chelsea are misusing Shevchenko. He isn't a player like Drogba who you can chuck long balls at and hope he flicks it on to a speedy winger or hits it back to a fat midfielder who looks to deflect a long shot off a defender and into the net.
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It is deeply ignorant to try and tell me that Sheva cannot play the same as Drogba or play as a old fashioned target man, I am perfectly aware of how Sheva has played in the PAST and what his attributes are. Given I have not talked like a Neanderthal idiot and said hey sheva is like Crouch etc you should not be talking in this way.

The bottom line is Sheva has been horrendously poor when he has played and Chelsae have not just lumped ball to him at all, and he has not been asked to play the same role as Drogba.

Have you even been watching him play at Chelsea or in the world cup?

The fact is Chelsea do play long balls to Drogba, but then again a lot of teams would given his strength, aerial power and direct play. But the fact is Chelsea can and do play a lot of good football on the deck. They have Joe Cole, Wright-Phillips, Lampard, Ballack etc all of whom can thread a ball and pass neatly on the deck. Sheva has been abysmal even when the correct ball has been played to him and you have been making excuses up for him irrespective of who you support, it is written all over your language.


Rocky29 said:
Now it might be a case of Sheva not adapting to the EPL game, now that's a valid excuse for his lack of form, but adapting to the EPL game shouldn't be that hard, really. Tactics are the real reason, he just doesn't fit in with Chelsea's system. I mean, all Mourinho would have to do is make a slight change in tactics to incorporate Sheva into his gameplan. Change your tactics to suit your players, don't change your players to suit your tactics(I'm looking at you, McClaren).
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You are talking like someone who has NOT watched Chelsea or Sheva play at the club, simple as that. Sheva has been on the pitch and been poor end of story. If the problem is not adapting to the EPL then it is his fault, if it is just a case of being over the hill it is his fault. If Sheva offered enough then he would be playing week in week out and Chelsea would incorportat him but he has been so piss poor that they are not going to alter the whole ethos of the team to fit him, in fact he isn’t remotely good enough to even get on as a sub at the moment. Tactics are crucial in football, but they are not everything and some people make the mistake of thinking the tactics play the football and not the players. The fact is If you take a shot and you slice it into the stands that is not the fault of the tactics. Sheva has been slow, inaccurate when the ball is passed to him on the floor and that is Shevas fault…not anyone else…stop the excuses it is pathetic. As for McClaren, why invoke his name? He has absolutely nothing to do with this discussion.



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Sheva has been awful and if he is to get back to being anthing other than pure shite he has to get back to seria a and see if he can rediscover some of what made him great in a league that he is suited to…..end of!!
 
In his last season at Milan he was already showing signs of slowness. He wasnt as quick as before and only showed glympses of his technique. He still scored 17 or 18 goals that season but thats because that year we had awesome form and had players setting him up in all directions. He also had all the rebounds from Gilardino/Inzaghi to tap in. Hes no longer a young player so I dont think hes the kind of striker I'd use as the sole striking force of a team, like Ukraine... which imo is what made them weak. Im sure hes still very dangerous if he was in form, but hes not the same player he was 2 years ago. Bottom line is that Milan gained and Chelsea didnt..... and btw Im quite sure hes not happy in England and probably begged for us to make a bid over the summer.... but the wise decision was to aim young and so we did ... and got Pato who im sure will become a star.
 
Milanista said:
In his last season at Milan he was already showing signs of slowness. He wasnt as quick as before and only showed glympses of his technique. He still scored 17 or 18 goals that season but thats because that year we had awesome form and had players setting him up in all directions. He also had all the rebounds from Gilardino/Inzaghi to tap in. Hes no longer a young player so I dont think hes the kind of striker I'd use as the sole striking force of a team, like Ukraine... which imo is what made them weak. Im sure hes still very dangerous if he was in form, but hes not the same player he was 2 years ago. Bottom line is that Milan gained and Chelsea didnt..... and btw Im quite sure hes not happy in England and probably begged for us to make a bid over the summer.... but the wise decision was to aim young and so we did ... and got Pato who im sure will become a star.
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Now all that makes sense.
 
Milanista said:
In his last season at Milan he was already showing signs of slowness. He wasnt as quick as before and only showed glympses of his technique. He still scored 17 or 18 goals that season but thats because that year we had awesome form and had players setting him up in all directions. He also had all the rebounds from Gilardino/Inzaghi to tap in. Hes no longer a young player so I dont think hes the kind of striker I'd use as the sole striking force of a team, like Ukraine... which imo is what made them weak. Im sure hes still very dangerous if he was in form, but hes not the same player he was 2 years ago. Bottom line is that Milan gained and Chelsea didnt..... and btw Im quite sure hes not happy in England and probably begged for us to make a bid over the summer.... but the wise decision was to aim young and so we did ... and got Pato who im sure will become a star.
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Exactly, he wasn't so active in his last year, and I remember sometimes Ancelloti not using him in the league just to get him fit enough for the CL, that was the reason he ended the top goal scorer in the CL that year. Not forgetting that Milan used Gilardino (and Vieri in the first part of the season) a lot to cover up Sheva place, which IMO gave Sheva enough space to score many goals that year. And about him in Chelsea, I don't think he was any good, I remember once Drogba played him a pass setting him infront an open goal but Sheva didn't even make contact with the ball!!
I never was a fan of Ronaldo, but when Ronaldo showed up in Milan, I was shocked! He was injured and yet managed to do a lot. Sheva got to Chelsea fully recovered but still missed a lot of his pace and his finishing touch. As a Milan fan, I'm happy to see him out than seeing him doing that, and I don't think any of Milan fan wants him back now! I just can't wait for Ronaldo and Alexandre to be part of the team! :D
 
On the Shevy topic he wasnt that bad today , oviously i think his best has passed him but i still think he's a player that can make a difference his goal was good, would have been a pen if he had missed anyway but i think with the loss of Drogba and Lampard this is EXACTLY what he needs to find his feet. P.S i've got a bad feeling he will perform against us on sunday :S , ive mocked a few chelsea fans about shevchenko even though il like to see the guy back to his best it could be something i regret on sunday:roll:
 
Well, he looked good against Italy last week. He tormented us with his free kicks. Scared the crap out of me when he hit the crossbar, and of course, scored. He looked slower, that's for sure, and you need a fair amount of pace and physical strength to play in England, not exactly his strong points. The physicalness of the EPL might be emphasizing his aging.
 
You need Physical play and pace in the EPL?

That must be why Owen and Sheringham repectively have done so well then..Errrr. Oops
 
YoungGun_UK said:
LOL you wants bets Shevchenko and Ballack to finally hit form:roll:
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I would take that bet. If I am wrong fair enough, If I am right fair enough....no I told you so.

But yes I bet that you are wrong. Whilst it is possble Ballack might find favour and the form the idea of both of them doing it to me is remote.


Peter Eyres said:
you need to be happy and enthusiastic. Sheva isn't. He should move on in Jan to rescue his career. He could still do a job in Italy.
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I agree mate...in fact I have found myself agreeing with an awful lot you have said on the site...a bit unusual for a red and blue :)
 
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