SERBIA thread

~turinski!

~turinski!

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20 September 2008
Serbia
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I opened this thread so we can discuss here about Serbian NT and U21 NT...

Yesterday our U21 squad lost to Slovakia, and our senior squad lost to Greece 1:0 at Belgrade.Tomorrow our football association will decide whether Antic will stay or not.After miserable world cup and recent weak results, to me our future in EURO 2012 qualifications doesn't look bright.That's only my opinion.

Highlights Serbia-Greece

YouTube - Serbia vs Greece (0-1) Friendly All Goals and Full Highlights 11/08/2010

Goals Slovakia U21-Serbia U21

YouTube - Slovakia U21 2-1 Serbia U21
 
nice, i will follow this thread..Serbia has obviously more quality players than slovakia for example..they need new start, with new coach i think..

Serbia imo have to qualify for Euro but the road is on start..
 
Radomir Antic will stay as coach, it went official.If we play in EURO qualifiers like in World Cup qualifiers I think we could top our group again...
 
is there any new guys coming to the NT..what about older players..will they stay..? (Stankovic, Pantelic..)
 
Stankovic will probably stay, but I am not sure about Pantelic, because he makes so much mistakes and misses a lot.He is heavily disliked among Serbian people but for some reason Antic haves way too much confidence in him.
 
So Serbia won against Faroe Islands 3:0.Players tried to save their best for Slovenia, so they tried not to tire and exhaust themselves, but still managed to score 3 goals which is pretty much enough.Anyway tomorrow Partizan's striker Cleo will get Serbian passport and he might get opportunity to play for us.We lacked a striker for a very long time and I think that Cleo will help us, ofc if he gets called up.
 
Didn't he only come to Serbia like a couple years ago?

How is he getting passport/citizenship already?
 
What happend to Dragan Mrdja? He was looking like a very good player in the youth games in 2007, but now he looks washed up. Antic didnt even give him one minute of a game in South Africa.
 
nikolapfc89 said:
Well,i dont know,Cleo is very good player,but i stay only with Serbian players,this is unnecessarily...Even we dont have some good strikers !
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This is a poor decision. It's an easy way out. Stick to developing your own players.

Serbia has some very good prospects in this respect. This is no way to encourage them.

I blame FIFA and allowing these idiotic naturalization rules. As I said before it's just not cricket.

I would not worry too much about qualification either. Serbia has more than enough to qualify should Antic get them motivated as he did in the last WC qualification. :))
 
nikolapfc89 said:
Antic is no longer coach :(

Now is Vladimir Petrovic Pizon,who is good coach,we will see now.He was leading our u21 NT in Germany when we was 2nd.
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Thanks nikola. :)) At least he will know which of the youngsters to put into the senior squad and make it easier for them though it has been a few years since he coached them he must have kept aware of who is ready and who is not ie Danijel Aleksic.

A number of national teams are adopting this approach. Batista coached the u20 Argentina team and looks favourite to be made national coach.
 
Match Italy-Serbia was abandoned as you may know because of some stupid morons pretending to be some kind of hooligans or else.This is fucking sad.Sometimes I'm just so fucking embarrassed to be Serbian...UEFA should ban us, seriously...
 
It's a shame. There were people who went to Italy to see a good match of football with some very good players on the field, in a stadium that usually has great atmosphere.
 
Yes, well and well, there is nothing to tell. Now Serbia will include technical defeat with account 0-3 or is even worse... Certainly, that was created at stadium, easier not to describe words...:OOOH: With What it is necessary to be idiots that so to concern the native national team. It simply real fascists, those who suited it. People went to look at a match, to be ill for the native team, and they...:RANT: As it is a pity, of course, that there are such fans whom football similar in general is indifferent, they need to fight or arrange pogroms only. It is said that it could happen because of rent of a Vladimir Stojković by Partizan, but it seems to me that it is a lie. Poor Serbia...:CRY:
 
~turinski! said:
This is fucking sad.Sometimes I'm just so fucking embarrassed to be Serbian...UEFA should ban us, seriously...
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whoa mate! i'm not really into patriotism, but u certainly shouldn't feel embarassed for your national heritage. what happened yesterday has nothing to do with u and it also has nothing to do with serbia as a country. every country has his thugs, his criminals, his morons, not just serbia ;)

also, although i'm sure serbia will be banned for a while, i don't think that's the right way to react. those scum came here in italy precisely to have the game cancelled and to ruin their country image. so if we punish the serbian federation for what happened yesterday, we do exactly what those bastards want us to do.
that is not the smart play imo..... not to mention the fact that a ban would be unfair towards those millions of serbian fans who had nothing to do with what happened yesterday.

what we should do instead is to get to the men behind those thugs.... get to the people who sent those thugs in genova to do their dirty job. put those people in prison and throw the key. there's no point in "hunting" those thugs who came here yesterday... they're just brainless muscles... they're nothing but a mafioso's labour... if u put them in jail, they'll be replaced in less than a day. let's look for those who call the shots instead.

the troubles for the gay pride in serbia a few days ago... the integration process in the UE.... the fact that those thugs who came in genova made it very clear that they only wanted to stop the game and cause some havoc....the timing of the whole thing... this just can't be a coincidence. it's pretty obvious there's an agenda behind all this. some big time criminal in serbia probably wants to put pressure on the government by embarassing them in such a delicate moment of their history (the UE integration). at least that's how i see it.
 
~turinski! said:
Match Italy-Serbia was abandoned as you may know because of some stupid morons pretending to be some kind of hooligans or else.This is fucking sad.Sometimes I'm just so fucking embarrassed to be Serbian...UEFA should ban us, seriously...
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You don't have to. You represent the good part of the country, and us italians know it perfectly. Thugs and hooligans has to be ashamed. And not to be serbian, but to have born...
 
OK I heard now how what I said sounds, I could never be ashamed of my nationality, I am ashamed because I share nationality with these people, brainless though but still people.But here's something interesting:

http://img827.imageshack.us/img827/3257/84684782.jpg

RTS bought rights for broadcasting game around 15:00 on match day.This is a screenshot from RTS website, from an article informing that game is going to be broadcasted.Highlighted comment from this picture when translated loosely to English means:
''I am telling you not to buy rights for broadcast because game is gonna be interrupted''.

This comment was posted around 16:00.Around 5 hours before the game.I don't believe that this is coincidence...
 
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imo it is not fault of Serbian people mostly it is foult of Italian security on stadium not having information about serbian supporters,and just about giving them permition to enter the stadium.. this things happend all the time, all around world...

in slovakia we had similar thing when hardcore supporters of Slovan vere allowd to enter stadium in dunajska streda, town with majority of Hungarian language speaking...

there was flags burning as well, but what police should have done is not allowing the people even travel from serbia to Italy..i mean if this guy, the leader of group has criminal past, he is armed with knife + lighter or whatever, has mask with him...

how the hell he get to the stadium on first place?
 
just want to add, i think this would never happend in for example Alianz Arena or Wembley...it is all about the security and the Serbia FA who they sell tickets to..
 
Don't be ashamed turinski...everybody with brains knows that this is a minority if thugs;
If people knew 5 hours before the match that it would be interupted, that's frankly quite scaring.

I hope the Serbian authorities will punish those people, but i have a feeling they won't (and this may well be some sort of prejudice...).
 
PIPA23 said:
imo it is not fault of Serbian people mostly it is foult of Italian security on stadium not having information about serbian supporters,and just about giving them permition to enter the stadium.. this things happend all the time, all around world...
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i'm sorry pipa, but that's just wrong.

first of let me tell u, theese things does NOT happen all the time. we're not talking about a few hundreds hooligans causing some havoc. we're talking about 1000 criminals who came in genova precisely to stop the match. that was the most complicated football related threat italy faced in the last few years, so no, this is absolutely NOT an usual situation.
those who came in here weren't just angry violent fans... those were criminals sent in italy with the specific purpose of stopping the match, embarass serbia and complicate their entrance into the EU (that's was just my theory yesterday, but apparently today italian and serbian media are confirming my suspects).

second point: italian authorities did ask information about what kind of fans were about to come in genova. and the serbian authorities replied aswell, telling us that about 2000 people were about to come in italy and that half of that (wich means 1000 people) were very dangerous people.... they told us some of those people aren't even allowed to enter into their own stadia!!!

once the italians authorities got this intel, the only thing they could possibly do was to prepare themselves for the worst. wich is what they did.... brilliantly.

u say the italian police shouldn't have allowed this people to enter in italy.... but obviously italian police has no jurisdiction on serbian territory. italy can't stop people from coming here... we can only send them back, once they arrive (and sending them back would have been absolutely wrong and much more dangerous, but i'll speak about that later).
it was the serbian interpol office wich was supposed to stop theese people from coming here..... especially since they knew what kind of people they were sending here! WTF if those people aren't even allowed to enter into their own stadia, why in the name of God they sold em the tickets?!?! why the hell did they allow them to leave their country and move to italy????

here in italy we have a system to prevent violent ultras travel to other cities for high risk away matches. it's called DASPO.
it's some sort of a precautionary disciplinary measure. the "questore" (police commissioner) issues an injunction that forbids the violent fan from leaving his own city (it's a temporary injunction, of course... once the match is over the injunction expires). that's our system to prevent, say, violent catania ultras from coming in palermo when catania has to play against palermo.

but obviously the italian authorities cannot issue any injunction over people who are not in italy!!! the serbian authorities were supposed to stop those bastards... we couldn't do a thing to avoid that!!!

third point: i heard many people saying that the italians should have not allowed those people to enter into the stadium.... even that idiot of blatter said that. this is just ridiculous. did u think about the consequences of such a decision????

u have 1000 violent people with a specific criminal intent coming here in genova.... 1000!!! wich means a potential huge threat for the city and his habitants. they arrive here in genova (thanks to serbian authorities, who allowed them to leave from serbia) and move towards the stadium.
now let's try for a second to imagine what would have happened if we would have done what u and blatter seem to suggest.
the italian police stop those 1000 people (how do u even stop such a huge crowd!!! u'd need an army to do that) and tell them they can't get into the stadium.

what do u think would have been their reaction?
"oh, ok then, we'll just leave and head back to serbia"
yeah sure..... they would have start rioting all over the city. they would have fought their way into the stadium. they would have unleashed their fury on the city, on the habitants, on the monuments.

those people were allowed to roam around the city for just about half an hour... and in such a short time they still managed to vandalise palazzo ducale... one of the most beautiful piece of art and architecture in the city... a palace built in 1200. and u wanted us to keep those crazy animals outside the stadium? causing havoc all over the city??? or, even worse, u wanted us to try and force them to go back to serbia (wich would have caused a full scale guerrilla outside the stadium!?!)??? that's crazy!

now i don't give a damn about blatter, fifa, uefa. if i have to choose between letting those people do what they were sent here to do (stop the match) or destroy the city, hell, knock yourself out. who cares about a football match. my main concern is to protect the people in genoa and the city itself.

the italian authorities did the only right thing to do. once they realised those thugs were a serious threat for the city and the people in genova, once they realised how dangerous would have been to leave those thugs outside the stadium or to stop them from trying to get inside the stadium, rather then letting them destroy the city and hurt somebody, they allowed them to enter into the stadium, where the police could easily control their fury....... wich is exactly what happened.

i'm actually amazed by the ability the italian security showed in this situation. we let those people get into the away sector, wich was well guarded by the police. once in the away sector those bastards couldn't harm anyone, they were all stuck in a very small and easy to control space (the away sector of the stadium itself). they tried to break the bulletproof glass which divides them from the rest of the people in the stadium but failed.
and the police showed some great decision making, by not getting into the away sector and fight those bastards.... if they would have done such a thing, it would have been a massacre.

and once the ref declared the match suspended, the italian police managed to have those bastards back inside their coaches (after a small riot they succesfully controled and stopped) and then they escorted the coaches till the italian border.

no italian people was hurt, no italian fan inside the stadium was hurt, there were no huge damages in the city (precisely because we let those bastards get into the stadium) and only 12 serbian ultras were injured... and we're not even talking about serious wounds as the next day those 12 ultras were already free to leave the hospital.

THIS WAS AN OUTSTANDING SUCCESS, talking about security and public order. and to suggest any other country could have faced such a dangerous threat for the entire city better than we did is just laughable.

blatter said we should'nt have let those animals get into the stadium..... he's a brainless idiot who does't even think of the consequences.
of course the only thing he cares about is the football match. but there are much more important concerns than a stupid football match, like the safety of the city and his habitants.

of course serbian people have no responsability in what happened (although the serbian authorities do have responsabilities), and it would be stupid and unfair to blame serbians for what happened. as a matter of fact they're the victims in this situation, just as we were........ but to suggest that italy had some responsability in what happened is just ridiculous.

edit: Pipa, after reading my post again, i realised it sounds kinda harsh. i don't really know why it came out like this (maybe it's coz i didn't put in any smiley :P ), but let me tell u, this isn't a rant or anything like it. i might be mad at blatter for what he said, but i'm certainly not mad at u ;)
u just expressed your opinion (wich however, as i explained, is wrong)..... while blatter publicly blamed italy. what an idiot, if anything we should be praised for having dealt with such a dangerous situation without any tragic consequences.
i'm all for blaming italian authorities when they don't get it right (for instance the way roman police handled the man utd crowd a few years ago was unacceptable).... but we shouldn't be blamed even when we do the right thing (wich doesn't even happen that often :P )
 
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A Toulousian supporter was murdered in belgrad one year ago...what could still happened before serbian authorities react ?
The problem IMO is more politic that footballistic
 
Is Cleo being cleared to play for Serbia ?

Not something I agree with personally as Brazil and Argentina have been raided far too often for footballers in other national sides.

Israel are a pretty decent side esp.at home so a pretty good result. :))
 
SerbiaU19 NT won EuroU19 by beating FranceU19 1:0 in the final. Great success, well done guys! They give hope to Serbian NT in years to come.
 
Adem Ljajić is back in the national team! If some of you didn't know, he left the national team after previous coach of Serbia, Siniša Mihajlović, said that everyone who plays for the team MUST sing the national anthem before the match. Ljajić, who's muslim, declined, and Mihajlović said that he has no intention of inviting him to NT again, unless he changes his opinion. After Mihajlović left, that rule was abolished, and our temporary coach Drulović called up Ljajić again, who said that he is more than willing to play.

In my humble opinion, that 'rule' was idiotic since the beginning. Not every Serb is an orthodox christian, and their decision not to sing the anthem should be respected. I for one, would rather have 5 players singing the anthem from their hearts, than all 11 like they're being forced. And players will show loyalty and affection for their country by performing on the pitch, not by singing the anthem.

I'm actually pretty hyped up for these qualifiers. Our group is definitely passable, and if we don't make it, we don't deserve to be in the final tournament. Every team in our group is somewhat tricky, some more than the others. But then again, every team is more than beatable! We have a great generation of young players, who can together with few of more experienced ones and a good coach achieve a lot. We're playing Ireland this week and I'm pretty excited to see them play!
 
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